Yes; this guy is basically the football pope to me, I don't question his decisions. That will not prevent me moaning about the decisions Moyes makes, but I will never call for him to be sacked.
Moyes So Far!
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Yes; this guy is basically the football pope to me, I don't question his decisions. That will not prevent me moaning about the decisions Moyes makes, but I will never call for him to be sacked.
A lot, but that doesn't mean his decision making is invincible. For one, he's never had to replace himself before, which is incredibly different to managing a side or making a signing.
SAF made a gamble (which I think has a very big probability of going down as a very poor one and his biggest mistake), but if the gamble isn't working (which we still don't exactly know yet) you shouldn't continue trusting the gamble. If you lose the car betting it doesn't make sense to continue and lose the house.
SAF was good but if you look from some of his predictions about managers, some were very poor. He also signed Veron. And Bebe. And Young. It isn't that every one of his decisions will absolutely be the correct one. Which is my opinion that Moyes should be judged on how good (or bad) he does his work, not on how SAF predicted (or hoped) that how Moyes will do his job.
Moyes is right now, exactly like he has been for the last ten years.
It's your opinion I suppose, but that sort of blind faith is ridiculous. SAF was a managerial god, but as I've said to you, he made some mistakes (very small though in comparison to what he did right) and he's never had to pick his replacement before. I want us to show faith in Moyes, but undying blind faith is just as frustrating as kneejerkers who want him gone right away if he's not successful.
Well done Moyesy. Bit disappointed to see the only sub being Ryan Giggs but can't complain with the result.
He's getting there, I really think he is.
There's no way he's a United manager yet, but the decisions and the tactics scream continuity.
There was inevitability about a teething process occurring and I said from day one that people would be calling for his head after 5 games, peoples expectations were unrealistic but he's laying the groundwork for us. The only black mark is the Premier League points, which isn't ideal but Ferguson lost far worse to City (at home as well) and to some worse teams than West Brom.
There's no way he's a United manager yet, but the decisions and the tactics scream continuity.
There was inevitability about a teething process occurring and I said from day one that people would be calling for his head after 5 games, peoples expectations were unrealistic but he's laying the groundwork for us. The only black mark is the Premier League points, which isn't ideal but Ferguson lost far worse to City (at home as well) and to some worse teams than West Brom.
He's plays in a very bland and pragmatic way. Nothing different from the United of the last few years except he's getting shitter results too.
Are we defending deeper under him than SAF?
Ditmar Hamman is convinced he's lost the dressing room over comments he's made so far....Just thought I'd throw it in for a discussion.
Doing well in the CL so far I gotta say. Well in on that score
Doing well in the CL so far I gotta say. Well in on that score
It is the exactly the opposite of logic, so it is absolutely the worst thing it can happen.
He's been in charge for 2 months in terms of a actual games that matter. 2 months into replacing someone who was here for 26 years and people think its fair to judge.
RTÉ panel reckons he's already lost half the dressing room. 
RTÉ panel reckons he's already lost half the dressing room.
Only half? Optimists then.
The criticism he receives is a joke. Did people expect him to just slip in like a slipper?
Hamman normally seems decent, what comments is he talking about?
That Moyes stated the squad needed more quality players to come into the first team. Also that he expressed Rooney would have started on the bench tonight, regardless of the injury.
Hamann reckons he's on a "hiding to nothing" and "won't survive".
RTE panel were talking complete shite re Moyes and Rooney. The comment from that he wouldn't start tonight means nothing; have they not noticed he's been playing his best football in years under Moyes so far this season?
They're very hard to listen to on European nights, they haven't a clue most of the time.
They're only enjoyable after Irish games IMO.
RTE panel were talking complete shite re Moyes and Rooney. The comment from that he wouldn't start tonight means nothing; have they not noticed he's been playing his best football in years under Moyes so far this season?
They're very hard to listen to on European nights, they haven't a clue most of the time.
They're only enjoyable after Irish games IMO.
If you want to call it that. I think it's pretty understandable, in fairness. A guy who's been Everton manager for 10 years and basically approached games like City away, Liverpool away, Chelsea at home in the mindset of 'how are we not going to lose this' rather than 'how are we going to win this game' is obviously going to struggle with the new reality of managing the club. Thats the point of a teething process and why it's difficult.
Saying that we set up no differently under him in basically any game than we would have under Ferguson. I think there is this aura thats sprung up around him since our league start that he was doing things he didn't do. Ferguson many times played for the draw, he did it against Barcelona at the Nou Camp in 2008 (and won a Champion's League on the back of that), he did it against Real Madrid at the Bernabau. He did it against City, he used to do it against Arsenal and he would have done it tonight too.
A great deal of our success under Ferguson was built on the back of unimpressive attacking performances, strong defensive ones and hitting teams on the break in big games. That's what Moyes has tried to do, just been let down by the shite we have in those areas (Nani aside).
Yes. It's pretty obvious, it's like an idiot detection device.
I think people expected to create more then a handful of chances by the time october started. The results, although they've been shit for the most part, aren't the biggest problem. It's the way he has us playing. It's like he's trying to copy what Sir Alex did, but it's never going to work because he isn't him. He's wasting our most creative players by leaving them on the bench, and we'll most likely lose Kagawa because of this. I think most people would have settled for a few years of what Arsenal were like this last decade- Champions league qualification, no trophies, but they are very good to watch. The way we've started the season, most people are hoping to squeeze into the champions league spots but we aren't entertaining at all either.
Rooney has played a lot recently, we probably would have liked to rest him in the League Cup but due to the draw we couldn't. I didn't particularly like the comments about not having the quality needed to win the Champions League, but to suggest he's lost the dressing room is crazy, particularly considering everyone on the pitch tonight worked their arses off.
Some of you are complete fecktards, and no, I'm not talking about the ones criticising Moyes. It's a forum, we discuss where we feel things are going wrong. Some of you are defending him like he's a god, you don't need to fecking defend him, nobody is calling for his head. Overprotective for no reason.
I was happy with the point as it's our hardest game in the group, but at the time, he was very negative and he does wait a very long time to make subs or tactical changes no matter what.
It's something he will learn, but at the moment I feel he is out of his depth and it's showing, his pressers can be awful, the things he says in public about players is baffling, like he is trying to piss them off. I can never remember him like that at Everton but then I wasn't very interested on his managerial stuff then.
Fair enough if you actually think he is doing a perfect job, but people are allowed their opinions, just because he is our manager doesn't mean we have to be hanging out of his arse.
We're just not all praising him for everything he does if it's not praiseworthy. He has my backing but I can see where *I* think he is going wrong/disappointing me.
I was happy with the point as it's our hardest game in the group, but at the time, he was very negative and he does wait a very long time to make subs or tactical changes no matter what.
It's something he will learn, but at the moment I feel he is out of his depth and it's showing, his pressers can be awful, the things he says in public about players is baffling, like he is trying to piss them off. I can never remember him like that at Everton but then I wasn't very interested on his managerial stuff then.
Fair enough if you actually think he is doing a perfect job, but people are allowed their opinions, just because he is our manager doesn't mean we have to be hanging out of his arse.
We're just not all praising him for everything he does if it's not praiseworthy. He has my backing but I can see where *I* think he is going wrong/disappointing me.
Exactly like how Everton played for the last 10 years with worse results, because we don't have the players to play that type of game. I am afraid it won't change too much.
Well that's an ex scouser for ya. Hamann...
Around 90% of people here were against his appointment and didn't think that he would be a good manager for us, but at the moment he got appointed his managerial stats have been increased by 500% and now he's better than Mourinho (yes, there was a debate about this here).
If Eamon Dunphy says United are doomed then it's always the case.
The qualities that made Fergie a great manager did not include the gift of prophecy. He made many dodgy calls in his later years, and his choice of successor could prove to be one of them. We'll have to wait and see on that.
When the time comes, we should judge David Moyes on his own merits. Unlike his mentor, those merits don't include long years of service to the club, or trophies won. He's done nothing to oblige us to stick with him out of gratitude, nor does his record argue that success under his management is inevitable if only we persevere. Giving him a long free ride on Fergie's coattails is not in the interests of the club.
Yep, exactly. I was involved in that one and found it ridiculous I was actually having that debate, although in all fairness it was about who was suited to United better. Even in that case though, I wasn't convinced with Moyes overall.
This place can be pretty mental at times. I put it down to 'getting behind the manager', or something along those lines.
Yup. You look back when we were just discussing Sir Alex's potential successor, before we knew he was retiring. I don't think anybody wanted Moyes, because he's won nothing in his career and he plays shit, negative, boring football. He's proven everybody right back then who was saying he would turn us into a negative team and we would be awful to watch. I respect that people are staying behind him because Sir Alex chose him, and we should give him time, but why should he stick around if we aren't getting results, he's making potential world class players like Kagawa unhappy, we're playing shit football, and he's spending 30 million quid on lumps like Fellaini, which points to him not looking to make us play very excitingly.
I thought the decision to move Fellaini further up the pitch for the second half was bizarre, and wrong. He wasn't playing well, but at least by being there in the middle with the other two, it was making it difficult for Shaktar to find any space, and create anything. Moving Fellaini forward handed all the initiative to them.
To the above post, I think he is attempting to make us more solid, I mean, we already had the defence tbh, but rio is getting on so will need replacing, and he is trying to make our midfield a unit again instead of individuals and mixing it up too much, it's like he is trying to build so we don't concede too often, however, with the players we have currently it doesn't work, he needs to be more attacking with players with more freedom, as it is, if we don't have Rooney it and don't play nani, we don't seem creative, they seem the only 2 with any sort if licence to roam.
I'm willing to give him a few seasons, one for bedding in, one to build a team, and a 3rd to see how it works out. He wants to build his own Manchester United, coupled with youths from our system too. Thing is, Fergie has left him with a good (not great) squad, so he only need to change a few things. It'll be difficult him being in fergies shadow, the sooner he wins something, the easier it will be. Hopefully we see more use of januzaj, Hernandez, and lingard (when we get him back). They are where I see our future at the moment, build with them in mind and around them.
Then again, what do I know? I'm a guy, laid in bed, watching hitch, typing away on my phone on an Internet forum, also eating a tub of Pringles and a Mars bar. I'm obviously overqualified for this stuff.
I'm willing to give him a few seasons, one for bedding in, one to build a team, and a 3rd to see how it works out. He wants to build his own Manchester United, coupled with youths from our system too. Thing is, Fergie has left him with a good (not great) squad, so he only need to change a few things. It'll be difficult him being in fergies shadow, the sooner he wins something, the easier it will be. Hopefully we see more use of januzaj, Hernandez, and lingard (when we get him back). They are where I see our future at the moment, build with them in mind and around them.
Then again, what do I know? I'm a guy, laid in bed, watching hitch, typing away on my phone on an Internet forum, also eating a tub of Pringles and a Mars bar. I'm obviously overqualified for this stuff.
Three only reasons:
- Because if we give him 6 years, he'll be as good as SAF
- Because SAF is always right
- Because we aren't as classless as Chelsea to sack managers.
He'll be awesome, and Fellaini would look like a steal in 10 years.
Oh, I just got back into reality. No, not all managers become good if they get the time, SAF made a lot of wrong predictions and sacking the manager at times could be the best decision (Hodgson at Liverpool the best ever example). Just imagine how good things would have gone for them if they would have sticked with him for some years.
Seen Ferguson play a lot like that away from home and we all remember it. Good result from a tough fixture. Only issue I have is 43% of the ball and 1 shot on target, not the best and when you see Kagawa, Hernandez and Nani on the bench you work out why. Only RVP was a player who could do something, Welbeck may have scored but he's in the team for the hard work ethic more than anything. Valencia, Fellaini, Carrick, it wasn't a line up bringing with goals and creativity. You just thank you lucky starts we don't still have Ji Sung Park as well because you know Moyes would fit him in. It was a typical Euro away but extra boring.
That said, 4 points and not too shabby for his first CL go for Moysee, is it. Something people said was a main weakness for him being our manager, along with trophies.
That said, 4 points and not too shabby for his first CL go for Moysee, is it. Something people said was a main weakness for him being our manager, along with trophies.
Exactly. We've been lucky in our history having Sir Matt and Sir Alex. But when you look around the world, what managers other then Wenger have been at their clubs for more then 6 years? None of them were given a 6 year contract when they first signed for their clubs, that's for sure. I find it ridiculous that we gave Moyes a 6 year contract, when he is completely unproven at the top level.
Just because we were shit before Sir Alex, doesn't mean we have to go back to being shit now that he's gone. I don't think the future is very bright here at United if Moyes stays as manager for the next 6 years because I just don't like the way his teams play football, I don't think he's a good enough manager to win trophies and I don't think he has the bollocks to make big changes when they are needed. He had a chance in the transfer window to get off to a great first impression by signing somebody like Thiago when he was available. Instead, he says we weren't interested in him, says we don't want to sign ozil and ends up spending 30m on Fellaini
Exactly. We've been lucky in our history having Sir Matt and Sir Alex. But when you look around the world, what managers other then Wenger have been at their clubs for more then 6 years? None of them were given a 6 year contract when they first signed for their clubs, that's for sure. I find it ridiculous that we gave Moyes a 6 year contract, when he is completely unproven at the top level.
Just because we were shit before Sir Alex, doesn't mean we have to go back to being shit now that he's gone. I don't think the future is very bright here at United if Moyes stays as manager for the next 6 years because I just don't like the way his teams play football, I don't think he's a good enough manager to win trophies and I don't think he has the bollocks to make big changes when they are needed. He had a chance in the transfer window to get off to a great first impression by signing somebody like Thiago when he was available. Instead, he says we weren't interested in him, says we don't want to sign ozil and ends up spending 30m on Fellaini
Just remember the humour we made to 'arrogant' Newcastle for giving Pardew a 7 year contract
. I seriously hope that we will be less arrogant than Liverpool with Souness and not think that just cause we're United we can't make anything wrong and realize if things are going wrong before it will be too late.Just remember the humour we made to 'arrogant' Newcastle for giving Pardew a 7 year contract
Agreed. I swear, 90% of the people on here would be calling for his head and blaming the Glazer's on choosing a shit, cheap option to replace Sir Alex if he had nothing to do with Moyes' appointment. Just because Sir Alex chose who the next manager will be though, everyone has to blindly support him apparently, even if we are clearly heading in the wrong direction.
Where the feck is Pogue when you need him?
I find myself in the the odd position of not wanting to call for his head but at the same time not wanting him here, like when you stay in a relationship with someone because it's the right thing to do, despite it not being what you really want.
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