Moyes So Far!

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DixieDean said:
Unfortunately he played that way for 10 years at Everton, so it's the latter.
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He's not going to last long in that case. Taking the initiative is key in modern CL football, and if you are going to play counter-attacking football you need quality and quick distribution/runners from midfield and fast interchangeable attackers. That was dreadful football, very much like England.

We've played this way under Fergie which I didn't like, but during 07/08 we had a wonderful front three and we made counter-attacking look stylish.. since then we've progressively got uglier in Europe but today took the biscuit. Happy for the side to get a draw but as a football fan you do want some entertainment, I just worry this is how Moyes will always go away from home and that is a depressing thought, especially when you look at how Bayern made City look distinctly average.. and we lost 4-1 to the Massives.

With the way the lads have played recently, I don't blame him for that side/tactics, but I hope by next year we'll be alot more adventurous and he buys attacking players he has faith in.
 
SER19 said:
some of you need to just feck right off. "go for the kill" away in donetsk. have our bad CL performances in recent years not taught you anything. we looked poor going forward but most non united fans and pundits will agree that tactically we set up very well for an away tie and arguably should have one.

ive been appalled by our start to the season but if youre not happy you werent entertained tonight do feck off and support somebody else or another sport.
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So if someone isn't entertained by the game today, they shouldn't support United? Yeah, that makes total sense.....

I don't think we played all that well. A point away is ok, but sitting back for the majority of the game is only asking for trouble.
 
Biggest disappoint has been Felliani -- cant keep the ball when possession is critical in CL. Plus isnt he out 2nd or 3rd most expensive signing?
 
evra said:
I will never call for his head, the guy was SAF's man and his judgement is beyond criticism. What I will say is that I am getting a little sick of constantly setting up so negatively and leaving our best attacking players on the bench.
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No offence, but it's stuff like the first part of that which is nonsense. Sure, I can understand having faith in Moyes and I can understand that people will have even more faith in him due to Fergie largely picking him, but this idea that we can't ever call for him to be sacked in the future no matter how poorly he (hypothetically) may do, is utter nonsense. If he does a terrible job, then people will call for his head and they have a right to. SAF was an incredible manager and arguably the greatest ever, but that doesn't mean his new managerial selection was guaranteed to be spot on unfortunately. Hopefully it has been, but it's no guarantee.

Agree with the rest of what you say though. It's frustrating to see our negative football, but as others have said a point away to Shakhtar who are a good team and often very good at home is a decent enough result.
 
The Man Himself said:
Right, because 1) quality of players is same at Everton and United 2) This was some shit team in Europe where he should have been going gung ho, eh?
Wonder why the match against Bayer looked different to me where we played as we were expected to.
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Bayer game was the exception, have you been impressed in general by the style Utd have played this season? The results might improve but under Moyes IMO the style of football will always be on the dyer side.
 
This place is worse than rawk. Far more feckwits inhabit this forum. I hope I never see the 'rawk goes into meltdown' thread bumped ever again, because it's a fecking joke even laughing at them.

Some of you need to take a look at yourselves. It must be a joyless task watching United for you.
 
moyesmyhero said:
So if someone isn't entertained by the game today, they shouldn't support United? Yeah, that makes total sense.....

I don't think we played all that well. A point away is ok, but sitting back for the majority of the game is only asking for trouble.
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ya thats exactly what i meant. to clarify i meant these same idiots that will jump down the teams throat for any reason need to get a grip on the reality of football sometimes. united were tactically sound tonight, and it was no fecking place for kagawa or nani in 2nd half. simple as. I have no doubts theyre the same peope saying we'll struggle in europe as moyes has no experience, yet we go away and get a good result and theyre now pissed we didnt attack enough. its utterly embarrassing. simply cant win, no point being on here.
 
First, let me get out of the way that I think a 1-1 away in the Ukraine is a good result. I also think our formation and starting line-up was pretty much as good as it could have been, and we were rewarded for that with a good display for most of the match.

But once again I was really disappointed with our substitutions. Just like against City and again against West Brom, Moyes seemed totally reluctant to change anything. Against City he waited until we were already 4-0 down before making any changes -- which instantly improved us -- and today his only change was to bring on Ryan Giggs, in a fast-paced game that didn't suit him at all. No other changes, even though we were clearly struggling. I never followed Everton that closely, but was he the same there? Fergie used to be infuriating in his reluctance to make changes sometimes, but I don't remember even him being this bad.
 
Why is he reluctant to make substitutions ? This isn't exclusive to this game but since the start of the season, he rarely uses the three substitutions.
 
Pleased for Moyes tonight, a tricky place to go and he's got a good result. Well done.
 
pocco said:
This place is worse than rawk. Far more feckwits inhabit this forum. I hope I never see the 'rawk goes into meltdown' thread bumped ever again, because it's a fecking joke even laughing at them.

Some of you need to take a look at yourselves. It must be a joyless task watching United for you.
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This. A lot of posters here need to get a grip or they might not be around for much longer. The childish overreactions are becoming really fecking annoying.
 
Cheesy said:
No offence, but it's stuff like the first part of that which is nonsense. Sure, I can understand having faith in Moyes and I can understand that people will have even more faith in him due to Fergie largely picking him, but this idea that we can't ever call for him to be sacked in the future no matter how poorly he (hypothetically) may do, is utter nonsense. If he does a terrible job, then people will call for his head and they have a right to. SAF was an incredible manager and arguably the greatest ever, but that doesn't mean his new managerial selection was guaranteed to be spot on unfortunately. Hopefully it has been, but it's no guarantee.

Agree with the rest of what you say though. It's frustrating to see our negative football, but as others have said a point away to Shakhtar who are a good team and often very good at home is a decent enough result.
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SAF told us to get behind the manager. I'd rather down with the ship on this one than be one of those guys who calls for a manager's head when they haven't even been in the job a year. In Sir Alex we trust.
 
evra said:
SAF told us to get behind the manager. I'd rather down with the ship on this one than be one of those guys who calls for a manager's head when they haven't even been in the job a year. In Sir Alex we trust.
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Yeah, and I will get behind the manager and will give him time to try and show that he's good enough to be our manager for the considerable future. You said that you'd never call for his head because he was picked by SAF, which is a bit ridiculous.
 
Count Orduck said:
First, let me get out of the way that I think a 1-1 away in the Ukraine is a good result. I also think our formation and starting line-up was pretty much as good as it could have been, and we were rewarded for that with a good display for most of the match.

But once again I was really disappointed with our substitutions. Just like against City and again against West Brom, Moyes seemed totally reluctant to change anything. Against City he waited until we were already 4-0 down before making any changes -- which instantly improved us -- and today his only change was to bring on Ryan Giggs, in a fast-paced game that didn't suit him at all. No other changes, even though we were clearly struggling. I never followed Everton that closely, but was he the same there? Fergie used to be infuriating in his reluctance to make changes sometimes, but I don't remember even him being this bad.
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He also brought Jones on with 30 seconds to go. Game changing sub right there, Shakhtar had obviously studied videos of him and kept him out of the game, surely they got wind he was our dangerman from the bench.
 
DixieDean said:
Bayer game was the exception, have you been impressed in general by the style Utd have played this season? The results might improve but under Moyes IMO the style of football will always be on the dyer side.
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Nope, the style hasn't been particularly exciting, but for tonight's game, it was a good tactic which was working. Had it been case like we were going full attack in such matches in CL under Fergie and had the team to do so this year, there would be a case in point. This was the toughest fixture on paper for group stage where we got a point which can be crucial come end of group stage. Only sad thing is, this has extended win less run so another chance for media to stir shit.
 
Eto'odinho said:
I wish he would play players for the roles they specialize in. This may not be a popular comment but is Welbeck really a better wide player than Nani?
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He wasn't picked solely as a wide player, he was floating centrally too, hence he was in the box to score the goal. In these type of games he's very good at keeping possession, carrying the ball and also worked very hard. Nani is less predictable and I would have preferred to see him on the right instead of Valencia. I think you're picking on the wrong wide player.
 
Shark22 said:
This. A lot of posters here need to get a grip or they might not be around for much longer. The childish overreactions are getting pathetic and deeply annoying.
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It's getting unbearable on here and the mods need to come down on some of these tools. They're not even interested in supporting the team or even hoping they do well, they just want to find things to complain about.
 
datura said:
Everton were pretty attractive to watch last season...
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Yes, I'm generalising, obviously there was some good football during those 10 years. However as a rule, he proved to be a negative, tactically inflexible, dour coach. He had his plus points, but playing attractive football was not one of them.
 
He's playing reactive football in almost every game. It's not going to cut it. He'll need to become more adventurous.

That said, today was a decent result and a decent team bar opting for Valencia and Fellaini.
 
pocco said:
This place is worse than rawk. Far more feckwits inhabit this forum. I hope I never see the 'rawk goes into meltdown' thread bumped ever again, because it's a fecking joke even laughing at them.

Some of you need to take a look at yourselves. It must be a joyless task watching United for you.
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To be fair, United haven't exactly been very joyful to watch this season so far....:smirk:
 
evra said:
Yeah well, that's my position.
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Fair enough, it's just a bit blinded and silly. What you're saying is that you would never want to see Moyes go, even if he did an absolutely terrible job? Just because Fergie picked him.
 
Theon said:
:lol:

He is well known for being very good tactically, he obsesses over them
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Aboutreika18 said:
Only concern I have is regarding his subs (or lack of) but tactically we set up pretty well.
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Two sides of the same coin I suspect. When you obsess too much over tactical preparation you may freeze/delay when having to make a judgement call. Giggs was a clear planned tactical decision to close out the game, then suddenly you are drawing... and choose to keep it tight just in case.

When you have so few games under your belt that's understandable. His confidence in making quick personnel changes will come with time, that was always going to be the case. Two games in a row now where the game changes and he doesn't respond well. We didn't turn it around both times which is a big hint for him to be more adventurous. Being cautious in the face of game-changing events has never been our hallmark.
 
evra said:
SAF told us to get behind the manager. I'd rather down with the ship on this one than be one of those guys who calls for a manager's head when they haven't even been in the job a year. In Sir Alex we trust.
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What has Moyes ever done for us * in order to be acceptable to go down with the ship supporting him?

* Except of spending 27.5m pounds on an average player.
 
evra said:
I'm saying that I have unquestioning loyalty to SAF, so unless he says otherwise I'm going down with the ship.
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Sorry, but that's absolutely ridiculous. We all love SAF and rightfully so, but that doesn't mean that his new managerial choice is suddenly guaranteed to be successful. If we came 6th for three seasons in a row for example (I know it won't happen but this is hypothetical) and SAF continued to back Moyes, would you?
 
What annoys me the most about Moyes is that I just cant see any reason in his decisions.
 
antohan said:
Two sides of the same coin I suspect. When you obsess too much over tactical preparation you may freeze/delay when having to make a judgement call. Giggs was a clear planned tactical decision to close out the game, then suddenly you are drawing... and choose to keep it tight just in case.

When you have so few games under your belt that's understandable. His confidence in making quick personnel changes will come with time, that was always going to be the case. Two games in a row now where the game changes and he doesn't respond well. We didn't turn it around both times which is a big hint for him to be more adventurous. Being cautious in the face of game-changing events has never been our hallmark.
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Yeah you could be right about the subs, its never something I noticed at Everton (or ever really would notice).

Kouroux saying he's poor/stupid tactically is a load of bollocks though - he clearly thought very hard about this game and changed shape to go 4-5-1 and make us a more solid team. In the end despite playing poorly we could have nicked that against a tough side away from home. Moyes is well known for obsessing over and analysing tactics, criticising that part of his management is just plain ignorance really.
 
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