Moyes So Far!

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I know there are many on here who didn't want Moyes in the first place...but when it happened, did any of you think it would get this bad in terms of how far we have fallen and our abject style of play?
 
Moonwalker said:
On the general point of wanting him out(even replaced by a popular choice like Van Gaal) I seem to be in agreement with the majority(for once).

The criticism however, is once again riddled with arrant nonsense. He picked everyone's favorite team yesterday. All of our most 'technical players' were on pitch, and we were trying to pass the ball through the fecking middle, just like most people on here were craving for. All the mistreated fan favorites were involved as well.

And, without a hint of irony, the main complaint apparently, is that we were 'too predictable'. The mind boggles.
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Management involves more than just putting the pieces on the board in the correct (or more correct) order. A manager has to instruct a team how to play. Individually they're all brilliant but it won't work without guidance unless they're all telepathic and can read the minds and intentions of others. A player needs to know that X will be available on the left because the manager has told them to be or that Y must sit back under instruction so he can feel more secure about venturing forward or that another player will be making runs at the opposition number 4, so he knows when and where to try and play the early ball at times.

You don't just put the best players you have out on the pitch with pre-match instruction of "Go". We are predictable as every team knows that defending deep completely nullifies everything we do. I don't think there's a single time this season where 'pack the box' hasn't worked for opposition. Everton were decisive and well-rehearsed going forward and tight at the back. That's the key to beating us this season, that's why we're predictable.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So why is our team so poorly motivated? Why are they no longer fighting until the end like they did under Fergie? There are countless times in the past when United should have dropped points, only to get a late goal. That wasn't luck, that was fighting until the end even after the opposition had switched off. Simply put; the players have no drive. And I can't help but think that it's because the atmosphere in the dressing room is at an all time low. And this is what I think has happened;

Let's think back to the last few seasons for these players under Fergie, and what happened whenever they had a poor performance. Now, I'm not going to speculate on what went on behind closed doors, because none of us know. Fergie may have given them a pat on the back and told them that everything was going to be all right, or he could have dragged them into the steel cage and smashed their faces in with a folding chair. What we do know, however, is what he said to the press.

Whenever United played poorly under Fergie, he would come out and draw attention to himself. He would blame the ref, or the linesman, or the ballboys, or a stray cat, or his morning bowl of porridge. He would rant and rave until the focus was on him, and no longer on the poor performance from his players. He was willing to do anything to protect them from bad press. Compare that to Moyes, whose first response to a poor performance is to tell the press that the team aren't good enough and that they are lacking enough world class talent. I don't care how much these players are being played; if the man who is meant to be leading you is more than happy to throw you to the wolves at the first sign of failure, then you're unlikely to trust that man enough to follow him.

Moyes' problem with being defensive isn't just to do with his tactics on the ptich. He can bring in the players that he needs to suit his defensive style of play, but that doesn't get rid of the motivation problem. Because he's also defensive with his tactics in interviews, how long is it going to be before he alienates his new crop of players when we hit a rough spell?

I've given Moyes every chance, but unless we play blindingly well until the end of the season I don't see any signs that things are going to be better.
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Well, with nothing to play for and players worried about injuries before the world cup and the others half way to their summer holidays, I just don't think we can expect great games from now on. In fact I fully expect us to lose a couple more. I reckon the players can't wait for that final whistle of the season.
 
Moonwalker said:
On the general point of wanting him out(even replaced by a popular choice like Van Gaal) I seem to be in agreement with the majority(for once).

The criticism however, is once again riddled with arrant nonsense. He picked everyone's favorite team yesterday. All of our most 'technical players' were on pitch, and we were trying to pass the ball through the fecking middle, just like most people on here were craving for. All the mistreated fan favorites were involved as well.

And, without a hint of irony, the main complaint apparently, is that we were 'too predictable'. The mind boggles.
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Anyone with a quarter of a working brain can pick our strongest Eleven

I can pick Barcelona strongest XI, Madrid's, Dortmund, etc

It's how you make them click that matters
 
togg said:
Well, with nothing to play for and players worried about injuries before the world cup and the others half way to their summer holidays, I just don't think we can expect great games from now on. In fact I fully expect us to lose a couple more. I reckon the players can't wait for that final whistle of the season.
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I know, it was just wishful thinking! I've been saying the same final line for the last two months. I think that it's fair to say that I've officially lost faith in him.
 
Plugsy said:
Management involves more than just putting the pieces on the board in the correct (or more correct) order. A manager has to instruct a team how to play. Individually they're all brilliant but it won't work without guidance unless they're all telepathic and can read the minds and intentions of others. A player needs to know that X will be available on the left because the manager has told them to be or that Y must sit back under instruction so he can feel more secure about venturing forward or that another player will be making runs at the opposition number 4, so he knows when and where to try and play the early ball at times.

You don't just put the best players you have out on the pitch with pre-match instruction of "Go".
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Right, but then shouldn't the criticism be exactly what you just described, instead of the 'Errr well... he didn't pick Danny Welbeck!'
 
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Mr Pigeon said:
I know, it was just wishful thinking! I've been saying the same final line for the last two months. I think that it's fair to say that I've officially lost faith in him.
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For some reason..and I'm not sure why, yesterday's result really really got to me. And watching Moyes afterwards almost get tongue tied with trying to find something positive out of what is a bloody awful disaster made me really dislike him and want him as far away from this club as we can throw him...
 
Sky1981 said:
Anyone with a quarter of a working brain can pick our strongest Eleven

I can pick Barcelona strongest XI, Madrid's, Dortmund, etc

It's how you make them click that matters
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You would never have guessed this from just how discrepant the usual formation suggestions are here on the forum.

And it's a load of old bollocks anyway. You and most people on here will never be in a position to pick our best eleven, regardless of who the manager is. You don't see these players in training for one thing, nor are you privy to the assessment of their physical and medical condition.

The only thing I'm saying is- since everyone and their dogs have been crying for certain players to appear in the starting eleven, perhaps now would be the time to express some satisfaction with the fact that they did. Mix it up with the usual moaning if such is your wont, but do it nevertheless.
 
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Moonwalker said:
On the general point of wanting him out(even replaced by a popular choice like Van Gaal) I seem to be in agreement with the majority(for once).

The criticism however, is once again riddled with arrant nonsense. He picked everyone's favorite team yesterday. All of our most 'technical players' were on pitch, and we were trying to pass the ball through the fecking middle, just like most people on here were craving for. All the mistreated fan favorites were involved as well.

And, without a hint of irony, the main complaint apparently, is that we were 'too predictable'. The mind boggles.
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Management involves more than putting players in a nice formation like FM, if that's all that's required, I could do a better job than Moyes and I'd accept a fraction of his salary.
 
Plugsy said:
If we have the same decline next season as this year where last year we had 84 points at this stage compared to our 57 we have now, we'd be a point off the foot of the table in 19th position with 30 points to our name. That's the scale of utter balls-up this man has made of this club.
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Na...He will stabilize us at around 50 points from next season onwards.
 
Team is playing without confidence, without motivation or passion. The team walks into the big games apparently expecting defeat. I'm not sure how much of that is directly Moyes fault, but it's up to him to fix it and he isn't doing it. There comes a point where you need to accept that he may not do it. I think that time has come and sooner rather than later we need a change now.

Moyes is out of his depth now and unfortunately it's clear for everyone to see. I backed him like we all should have - he is the manager of our club and Ferguson picked him. That was enough, for me at least, to back him. But week by week that support gets tested and I think it's broken now. Time to leave. And the perfect time is now because then the new man can judge our squad and pick his targets.
 
togg said:
For some reason..and I'm not sure why, yesterday's result really really got to me. And watching Moyes afterwards almost get tongue tied with trying to find something positive out of what is a bloody awful disaster made me really dislike him and want him as far away from this club as we can throw him...
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I know why it got to you. Probably same reasons as for me. I know we have had a lot of moments where we think we are turning the corner. But this one was genuinely different. That and it's Moyes' old club. It's the last "theoretically hard" game in our season. And we flopped. A win would have given such a big platform. Such a boost. Instead, I think it's the end of Moyes career at United. Well, more that it should be. Unfortunately I can't see him being sacked.
 
I'm at a stage now where the ends justifies the means. I'd be quite happy to see us grind a tumescent 0-0 draw out of our next couple of games. I see no advantage in winning. I see no reason why anything should happen to make it look as if the current regime is finding a corner to turn around. I want the manager removed more than I want to finish this season with a couple of wins and a Europa League place.
 
Moonwalker said:
You would never have guessed this from just how discrepant the usual formation suggestions are here on the forum.

And it's a load of old bollocks anyway. You and most people on here will never be in a position to pick our best eleven, regardless of who the manager is. You don't see these players in training for one thing, nor are you privy to the assessment of their physical and medical condition.

The only thing I'm saying is- since everyone and their dogs have been crying for certain players to appear in the starting eleven, perhaps now would be the time to express some satisfaction with the fact that they did. Mix it up with the usual moaning if such is your wont, but do it nevertheless.
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Too much moonwalk makes your brain works backward.

I don't get fecking pay hundred of thousands per week, he does.

And so.. he's smarter than an average football fans like me.... doh?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Yet Danny would have put some pace in that side yesterday.
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Maybe I was just making a general point. I think our biggest problem was not dealing with their full-backs. It's any wonder Moyes doesn't know his best team yet when the two players he managed for years completely slipped his mind. We played two inside wide players leaving acres of space, a RB not used to that position and played (maybe under obligation if Evra was injured) Buttner at left back. As a combination vs the best FB 'pairing' in the league, it was ridiculous.

If there was one man you'd expect to identify and deal with the Baines and Coleman threat, it's Moyes. But nope.
 
"David May was silenced by Manchester United's in-house TV channel on Sunday after suggesting that manager David Moyes was 'out of his depth.'

The former United defender was a pundit on MUTV's coverage of the 2-0 defeat at Everton and when asked for his opinion on the embattled manager replied with the negative comment.

May was quickly hushed up by the presenter, who insisted that May concentrate on the Scot's positive qualities instead"
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Cal? said:
Management involves more than putting players in a nice formation like FM, if that's all that's required, I could do a better job than Moyes and I'd accept a fraction of his salary.
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Well I agree wholeheartedly. It would be facile to think otherwise. However, since selection and style of play are the visible part of the ice berg for us fans, we tend to overemphasize those things. Therefore, since he finally got that bit 'right' or at least in accordance with the caf expert consensus, shouldn't he get an iota of...well credit, if praise is too much to muster considering we lost and all.
 
Daily Mail have jumped the gun on Maysie there, he didn't say that. He did look as if he was going to say something but Rosenthal cut him off.

Fair play to Maysie, one of the only ones on the channel who wears his heart on his sleeve.
 
Plugsy said:
Maybe I was just making a general point. I think our biggest problem was not dealing with their full-backs. It's any wonder Moyes doesn't know his best team yet when the two players he managed for years completely slipped his mind. We played two inside wide players leaving acres of space, a RB not used to that position and played (maybe under obligation if Evra was injured) Buttner at left back. As a combination vs the best FB 'pairing' in the league, it was ridiculous.

If there was one man you'd expect to identify and deal with the Baines and Coleman threat, it's Moyes. But nope.
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I think yesterday was very credible evidence as to ineptitude of Moyes's tactical nous. Especially considering he knows the opposition players supposedly like the back of his hand. Very worrying...
 
I was hoping to wake up to some rumours about the board thinking about sacking him at the end of the season.

Alas, no.
 
Sky1981 said:
Was it 0 shots on goals last nite?
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9 shots apparently, but I'm buggered if I remember more than 2. I think the statistics people are being generous and counting the ball being the the vicinity of the opposition area for a couple of seconds as a shot
 
LonelyFire said:
Daily Mail have jumped the gun on Maysie there, he didn't say that. He did look as if he was going to say something but Rosenthal cut him off.

Fair play to Maysie, one of the only ones on the channel who wears his heart on his sleeve.
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Jim Rosenthal has actually been a pain in the arse since he has been on the phone ins. He is always stopping people telling the truth and he cuts people off.
 
Moonwalker said:
Well I agree wholeheartedly. It would be facile to think otherwise. However, since selection and style of play are the visible part of the ice berg for us fans, we tend to overemphasize those things. Therefore, since he finally got that bit 'right' or at least in accordance with the caf expert consensus, shouldn't he get an iota of...well credit, if praise is too much to muster considering we lost and all.
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We managed less than 5 shots on Target against Liverpool, City, and Everton


Credit for what? And that is with a team that consists Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj. Even a pub club will take a long shot pun once in a while.
 
I think he is a goner. People talk about SAF and whatnot, but can you imagine the Glazers spending anything close to 200m on players. So many rumors about players not happy with the club, if he has lost the dressing room, surely it is over for him.

Replacing a manger will cost a lot less than replacing more than half the squad. I can't see how the Glazers would do something so unGlazer like and go for the much costlier option.
 
The good thing about MUTV censorship is that it clearly is instructed by someone, somewhere, aware of it.
 
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