Yup, with Moyes around no world class players would want to come over. If they do come over it's because of the huge wages we have to throw at them.How does the board not see that????
Moyes So Far!
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Yup, with Moyes around no world class players would want to come over. If they do come over it's because of the huge wages we have to throw at them.How does the board not see that????
I blame the board for allowing SAF to have a say on this. SAF was in no position to take this decision. He's been there for more then 2 decades and he had employed nearly everyone there. A person in that situation would try to choose someone who wouldnt rock the boat too much and make everyone redundant rather then what's in the club's best interest.
I wonder who the club see as being valuable assets that they won't let go even if they want out?
How many unhappy players with their agents starting to make noises would it take before they decide you can replace 20 players an it's easier to replace the manager.
How many unhappy players with their agents starting to make noises would it take before they decide you can replace 20 players an it's easier to replace the manager.
The club has no control over that sadly. SAF is gone, SBC is just a token mascot
Glazers are not football man, neither is ed (unless Moyes is stupid enough to sell RvP for 1M, I don't think anyone can stop him from letting everyone go)
It's that bad
Let's face it, Mourinho would nick it if SAF has his ways, the amount of respect both of them have is tremendous.
That means nothing. We are talking about work here and not best buddies.
Honestly I doubt if Mourinho would be happy having a better man breathing at his neck (SAF as director). His ego would surely clash with that of SAF.
I guess we will never know, but one thing I notice, Mourinho kinda lost his drive at Chelsea, he doesn't look that much passionate / interested as before.
We will never know I guess...
Fingers Crossed Roman sack him, and if we didn't offer him everything to manage...
EDIT: Buddies is what gets Moyes the job. That or Scottishness
No, hes got that Scottish fighter mentality to him, same as Sir Alex in that lone regard, the only way he'll go is by being relieved of his duty, otherwise he'd continue to bust his hump, kicking and screaming to the bitter end, doubtful walking away is even an option in his head.
In fairness it's a Bank Holiday, so unlikely to happen today.Still not sacked?
Clutching at straws.
I know it seems absurd but it definately because he is Scottish. The whole section in Fergie's book explaining why he chose Moyes goes on about why Scots make great managers. I think Sir Alex hoped Moyes was a younger version of himself and he and Sir Bobby are just too stubborn to admit they're wrong.
Moyes probably shows re-runs of the Liverpool games to prove to our players how much better Liverpool are than them.
With 99 % of the fans staunchly against him and a team that clearly doesn't want to play for him, all logic says the club has to act.
Unfortunately, this club isn't run on logic.
But please United, this is enough.
Unfortunately, this club isn't run on logic.
But please United, this is enough.
Then they might have empty stadium for home games. The fans should all turn up for the Norwich game then as soon as the game kicks off, walk out. See if that gets the board to sit up and notice. It's on TV so would get plenty of coverage.And amazingly, I still don't see us sacking him
You just know he'll get another season.
I'll get my knitting out.
Guys, just wondering. If we lose to Bayern in the cl and the title to atletico, can I blame it on moyes? It seems to be the thing to do at the moment. Maybe marca can make a poll then and we can vote for him to get fired and that will only increase his chances of leaving.
You can try make one in your forum to see if they would want him to succeed Ancelloti
At least theyll get the laugh
These two in particular are galling.
This joke has to go. Today. That he has not gone yet is shameful.
987 pages so far on RAWK
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=304442.39320
EDIT: I think some of them genuinely pity him, who would have thought RAWK of all the places
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=304442.39320
EDIT: I think some of them genuinely pity him, who would have thought RAWK of all the places
It's not the end of the season yet, I bet he can find another record to break.
I miss the rawk goes into meltdown threads. Damn you david moyes *shakes fist angrily*Fergie as the lad says would have deflected the blame away from them somehow, no matter how crazy. Moyes just throws the players under the bus. I am seriously annoyed about Danny.
What did moyes say about welbeck?
Believe it or not, when winning was normal and we're on autopilot, I opened RAWK goes on a meltdown more than any other thread... I don't even have a peek at there lately
Screw you Moyo!
Fergie retiring and moyes coming to united seems to have caused a great disturbance and unbalance in the force. The prophecy speaks of a chosen one that will save you. Oh wait, never mindBelieve it or not, when winning was normal and we're on autopilot, I opened RAWK goes on a meltdown more than any other thread... I don't even have a peek at there lately
Screw you Moyo!
Talksport just quoted Danny is a valuable player at United. I think the comment is more about Danny supposedly wanting away. Danny is a lot more valuable to United than Moyes.
I genuinely believe he will be out very soon.
Its gone too far and what may push him is the amount of players who actively want to go. Woodward knows he has to rebuild but does that involve turnover of approx 8 players? Don't think so. They cant afford that. Lesser of two evils (financially) is to placate the players and bin the Gollum.
Paying off the manager is cheaper.....and we all know what drives the glazers.
Its gone too far and what may push him is the amount of players who actively want to go. Woodward knows he has to rebuild but does that involve turnover of approx 8 players? Don't think so. They cant afford that. Lesser of two evils (financially) is to placate the players and bin the Gollum.
Paying off the manager is cheaper.....and we all know what drives the glazers.
Believe it or not, when winning was normal and we're on autopilot, I opened RAWK goes on a meltdown more than any other thread... I don't even have a peek at there lately
Screw you Moyo!
You vulture of human misery! this is karmic justice for us all
I often wonder how the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime who were delighted with his appointment (and berated the so called 'muppets' from their high keyboard warrior horses with crap like 'if his name ended with -inho you all would bleh blah bloh') feel now about their wonderful insight.
I think yesterday really broke his heart
Rooney's playing despite:
1. Being dogshite
2. Returning from injury
3. Not fully fit
4. Running around like a headless chicken roaming to midfield when he's the bloody lone striker
5. He's been loyal, and never complain regardless where he plays
6. I got a feeling last year Madrid's game was due to SAF finally promises him something, only for it to shatter comes Moyes.
I feel for him, he probably has had enough, added to the uncertainty of having Moyo, probably a shit dressing room atmosphere, and to think that they paid 300k / week for that kind of performance
Rooney's playing despite:
1. Being dogshite
2. Returning from injury
3. Not fully fit
4. Running around like a headless chicken roaming to midfield when he's the bloody lone striker
5. He's been loyal, and never complain regardless where he plays
6. I got a feeling last year Madrid's game was due to SAF finally promises him something, only for it to shatter comes Moyes.
I feel for him, he probably has had enough, added to the uncertainty of having Moyo, probably a shit dressing room atmosphere, and to think that they paid 300k / week for that kind of performance
let's hunt them down, I have a beef to settle with some of them. And the worse thing is that they are still playing the houllier than thou card, claiming they're somewhat more patience than us
Moyes is a cancer to this club
Good post Kevin how high is your ivory tower? If Moyes was good enough for Fergie (who many times proved us wrong) then who was I or many other thousands to give Moyes a chance and our full backing? Maybe you should pick then next manager or even better you should just be the manager!
Rebuilding? We rebuilding because of the mess you created Moyes.
Can't believe he spout that shite
On the general point of wanting him out(even replaced by a popular choice like Van Gaal) I seem to be in agreement with the majority(for once).
The criticism however, is once again riddled with arrant nonsense. He picked everyone's favorite team yesterday. All of our most 'technical players' were on pitch, and we were trying to pass the ball through the fecking middle, just like most people on here were craving for. All the mistreated fan favorites were involved as well.
And, without a hint of irony, the main complaint apparently, is that we were 'too predictable'. The mind boggles.
The criticism however, is once again riddled with arrant nonsense. He picked everyone's favorite team yesterday. All of our most 'technical players' were on pitch, and we were trying to pass the ball through the fecking middle, just like most people on here were craving for. All the mistreated fan favorites were involved as well.
And, without a hint of irony, the main complaint apparently, is that we were 'too predictable'. The mind boggles.
So why is our team so poorly motivated? Why are they no longer fighting until the end like they did under Fergie? There are countless times in the past when United should have dropped points, only to get a late goal. That wasn't luck, that was fighting until the end even after the opposition had switched off. Simply put; the players have no drive. And I can't help but think that it's because the atmosphere in the dressing room is at an all time low. And this is what I think has happened;
Let's think back to the last few seasons for these players under Fergie, and what happened whenever they had a poor performance. Now, I'm not going to speculate on what went on behind closed doors, because none of us know. Fergie may have given them a pat on the back and told them that everything was going to be all right, or he could have dragged them into the steel cage and smashed their faces in with a folding chair. What we do know, however, is what he said to the press.
Whenever United played poorly under Fergie, he would come out and draw attention to himself. He would blame the ref, or the linesman, or the ballboys, or a stray cat, or his morning bowl of porridge. He would rant and rave until the focus was on him, and no longer on the poor performance from his players. He was willing to do anything to protect them from bad press. Compare that to Moyes, whose first response to a poor performance is to tell the press that the team aren't good enough and that they are lacking enough world class talent. I don't care how much these players are being paid; if the man who is meant to be leading you is more than happy to throw you to the wolves at the first sign of failure, then you're unlikely to trust that man enough to follow him.
Moyes' problem with being defensive isn't just to do with his tactics on the ptich. He can bring in the players that he needs to suit his defensive style of play, but that doesn't get rid of the motivation problem. Because he's also defensive with his tactics in interviews, how long is it going to be before he alienates his new crop of players when we hit a rough spell?
I've given Moyes every chance, but unless we play blindingly well until the end of the season I don't see any signs that things are going to be better.
Let's think back to the last few seasons for these players under Fergie, and what happened whenever they had a poor performance. Now, I'm not going to speculate on what went on behind closed doors, because none of us know. Fergie may have given them a pat on the back and told them that everything was going to be all right, or he could have dragged them into the steel cage and smashed their faces in with a folding chair. What we do know, however, is what he said to the press.
Whenever United played poorly under Fergie, he would come out and draw attention to himself. He would blame the ref, or the linesman, or the ballboys, or a stray cat, or his morning bowl of porridge. He would rant and rave until the focus was on him, and no longer on the poor performance from his players. He was willing to do anything to protect them from bad press. Compare that to Moyes, whose first response to a poor performance is to tell the press that the team aren't good enough and that they are lacking enough world class talent. I don't care how much these players are being paid; if the man who is meant to be leading you is more than happy to throw you to the wolves at the first sign of failure, then you're unlikely to trust that man enough to follow him.
Moyes' problem with being defensive isn't just to do with his tactics on the ptich. He can bring in the players that he needs to suit his defensive style of play, but that doesn't get rid of the motivation problem. Because he's also defensive with his tactics in interviews, how long is it going to be before he alienates his new crop of players when we hit a rough spell?
I've given Moyes every chance, but unless we play blindingly well until the end of the season I don't see any signs that things are going to be better.
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