Totally agree, some players (most players actually) have dropped off the pace, but if for nothing else, a manager is there to manage the performance of the team/players. Moyes has surely failed in his primary objective and his solution is to rip up the squad and start again
Moyes So Far!
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Totally agree, some players (most players actually) have dropped off the pace, but if for nothing else, a manager is there to manage the performance of the team/players. Moyes has surely failed in his primary objective and his solution is to rip up the squad and start again
You get a huge promotion. You're excited for the opportunity and you believe you have what it takes to be a success. Then-bad things start happening-and don't improve. What do you do? Well-it can't be your fault-because that would imply that you're not as suitable as you thought. So-you look to others for blame. The staff aren't as capable as everybody thought, the job was more difficult than anyone imagined, etc.
Can't blame someone for trying to deflect blame. That's human nature. The real head-scratcher is why anyone believes that person.
Just like cars. Lexus cars are able to run smooth and comfortable on regular roads, that comes with reasonable cost, and high fuel efficiency. They have been the favorite for middle to slightly upper class people.
But then, if you take those Lexus for racing at Formula 1 circuit, those attributes that make them attractive on the first place, won't really matter on racing with the like of McLaren's.
EDIT: just googled, and found Toyota will enter F1 under Lexus brand. Damn it!!
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What about if you take a Formula 1 car on a normal road?
Deep down he must know this is too big for him. There's £30 million more reasons to stay but he's supposed to be an honourable man, surely he respects himself enough to call time.
I think everyone has to see through the deflections and swerves now, the excuses and post match interviews are so lame, if he was anyone else's manager I'd feel bad for them right now.
Why would you take a piece of fine tuned equipment and feck it up on an inferior driving surface. Formula 1 cars are designed, like Manchester United, for the best in class, top competitions... With due respect, I don't fancy taking us down to carting, for F3......
It won't be comfortable, but still will be faster. My point is, some managers might look good on certain condition and purpose, but not if they're tested on higher competition.
Edit: wow, such an insight!
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Can't see that happening. Pulling a Robert Duran "no mas" would guarantee he'd never get another job again. He'd be seen as a quitter. By getting fired he'll be able to play the martyr and claim he was a victim of the rampant short-termism that has even infected Manchester United.
You'll get an accident, good luck driving F1 on normal roads
How about horses for courses? You don't put a dray horse in the Kentucky Derby and expect it to win.
I put an Henderson's look while reading this.
The worst part in all of this is Moyes' attempt (a rather poor one) to ape Fergie. I don't remember Moyes putting a big CB as a FB during his Everton days. But as soon as he comes here, we find Smalling playing at RB more than Rafael, albeit that is mainly due to Rafael being injured but he could have given some of the youngsters a chance, or even tried Fabio there. But he stuck with Smalling and to add to it, paired him with Valencia so many times it was insane.
Fergie could get away with murder since he was that good but with Moyes being so desperately poor, he should have stuck with what he knew best. When Fergie left, I sincerely hoped this craze of using tall CBs as FBs would be done away with, but Moyes has not only stuck with it, he has taken it to a whole new level it seems.
Fergie could get away with murder since he was that good but with Moyes being so desperately poor, he should have stuck with what he knew best. When Fergie left, I sincerely hoped this craze of using tall CBs as FBs would be done away with, but Moyes has not only stuck with it, he has taken it to a whole new level it seems.
there was a quote quite a ways back on here from his post game conference. When I read it at the time I thought it was made up, mocking Moyes. Now I just heard him say it, and I am utterly speechless.
It was something like, "we need to do the things we didn't do and stop doing the things we do" or some shit
It was something like, "we need to do the things we didn't do and stop doing the things we do" or some shit
Agree, Moyes OUT!From nsno.co.uk:
Pretty damning that they don't consider what he did that remarkable and he does...
Pretty damning that they don't consider what he did that remarkable and he does...
http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,17592.1455.html
Nobody there has anything good to say about him really. Surely when SAF decided on Moyes he thought past, "well, he's a dour Scot. Sounds solid in my books."
Nobody there has anything good to say about him really. Surely when SAF decided on Moyes he thought past, "well, he's a dour Scot. Sounds solid in my books."
Still not sacked? 
The points will be reset come next season
But I don't think the shattered mental of players seeing him managing another season can be reset. It has come to this, he just simply have to go, even if he suddenly have the brain of pep, there's no way the players would want to give him a clean slate, now that he's alienating half of the first team, not to mention him crucifying Jones.
I don't think the player respect him anymore, even as a man
But I don't think the shattered mental of players seeing him managing another season can be reset. It has come to this, he just simply have to go, even if he suddenly have the brain of pep, there's no way the players would want to give him a clean slate, now that he's alienating half of the first team, not to mention him crucifying Jones.
I don't think the player respect him anymore, even as a man
The man has broken too much china to keep him in the shop.
Moyes did a fantastic job at Everton, but we knew last June and we know now in April that he simply didn't have the chops to manage Manchester United. Few managers on the planet do, but Jose was one of them.
Moyes did a fantastic job at Everton, but we knew last June and we know now in April that he simply didn't have the chops to manage Manchester United. Few managers on the planet do, but Jose was one of them.
A little trip down memory lane:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...david-moyes-replace-sir-alex-ferguson?cc=5901
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...david-moyes-replace-sir-alex-ferguson?cc=5901
He reminds me of when I used to play as United on CM99/00. I would add myself as Liverpool manager and get rid of or put the best players in the reserves to destroy them. Maybe he is still working for Everton
Poor SAF, Moyes has single handedly tarnish his reputation forever. Years from now people won't be mentioning SAF name without mentioning Moyes' debacle he left us with
Anyone think he's had enough of managing, the job is too tedious for him, and he's playing for the sack for the severance?
Once he gets the sack we will look back at several thousand of pages written by hundreds of people over the past year and only wonder why the hell did it take that long.
SAF should have just retired without having any involvement with the club. He should have just walked out a hero "never to be seen again". (I don't mean that last line to be taken literally, just an expression)
One way that SAF could have protected the club(and himself) was to tell Moyes(when he met with him to break the news) that if he wanted the job, he would need to keep the backroom staff. I don't think Moyes would have said no. The fact that SAF didn't do this was a big screw up.
As much as we all want Moyes out, you guys need to realize that he won't be sacked. He will be here in August. Its sad I know. So i suggest all we can do is hope he will turn it around with a new squad of players who will play for him.
A club full of mercenaries.
It's a bit of a shame really. Moyes is clearly a good man with the right intentions. So far, he has enjoyed a good career, good work done at Preston, continued to Everton and did brilliantly well initially. While their current run under Martinez maybe an eye opener, what can't be denied is that he had done a great job at Everton, building a team and showing that he can build for the long term. A combination of a lot of things have gone wrong for Moyes this season, a disaster of a transfer season, terribly mismanaged pre season schedule, players going out of form, some key players ageing out, injuries and a tough opening schedule which put the manager and the team on the backfoot right from the get go.
But what can't be questioned is the overall results are indicative of the manager's performance of the season. While Moyes can point out the mitigating factors, there's just simply no excuse for the rotten results and the run of this season. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and currently the manager is undoubtedly one of the issues. We can go for wholesale player and support staff changes (again) and retain the manager or let go of the manager. I know what I'll do, but I'm not the one doing it, so it remains to be seen.
But what can't be questioned is the overall results are indicative of the manager's performance of the season. While Moyes can point out the mitigating factors, there's just simply no excuse for the rotten results and the run of this season. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and currently the manager is undoubtedly one of the issues. We can go for wholesale player and support staff changes (again) and retain the manager or let go of the manager. I know what I'll do, but I'm not the one doing it, so it remains to be seen.
We can't do that, though. We've been hoping for so long now. We can't be left with an everlasting hope. This is going to turn into something similar what I've been experiencing with Hertha Berlin for the last two and half decades, an always present lingering background hope that things will get better. And in the end I get happy when they don't relegate. Problem is Hertha has got no money whatsoever and United has got literally everything apart from a coach.
From what I have read, Moyes agreed to keep the backroom staff and then reneged on this agreement as soon as he joined. Don't know how much truth is there to it but just that this has been mooted in the media.
I hope the Moyes backers will be butthurt when he walks out with 5M "discounted and negotiated" severance package and smiling like he won a lottery
That would have been unfair on the new manager. I think that the manager should be allowed to work but I also believe that he should face the consequences of his own decisions.
Ultimately I believe that Edwards was right. Once SAF retired he shouldn't have remained at OT and definitely he shouldnt have chosen his successor. It didn't worked well with Sir Matt and it surely isnt working well with SAF.
I blame Bobby Charlton, his hatred for Mourinho is bordering on personal level. He clearly can't see what's fecking obviously beneficial for the long term continuation of success.
I can understand if he chooses Ancelotti ahead of Mourinho, but fecking david moyes... blimey
I can understand if he chooses Ancelotti ahead of Mourinho, but fecking david moyes... blimey
"New squad" is the right way of putting it. I see people and reporters claiming we didn't play for the manager yesterday. Now, this wasn't the team of older players, who may struggle more to accept a new regime. No Rio, no Vida, no Evra, no Robin, no Giggs. This was a pretty young, fresh team, including new signing Mata, Rooney whose decision to stay is considered a Moyes achievement, etc. If those guys won't play for him, then who will?
In that case, we don't need a few new players, we need 20 new players who will play for Moyes because it seems none of our own want to. Yep, sign a whole new team just so David fecking Moyes can be the manager of Manchester United... And maybe fight for fourth. Incredible.
Would Moyes resign? I have read that he is a man of big ego and totally convinced of himself. But surely, he too realises that he isn't doing a good job. At the same time, he has tremendous respect for the club. So would he do the honourable thing and resign?
What kind of first class players would want to play under him? Seriously, even Baines told him to feck off
Thinking about this again, i am certain that Moyes is going to get sacked after the last match of the season, but the Glazer's should do it earlier. This way we save the money that he is spending on "scouting" throughout Europe and use that money towards his compensation. It's time to sound out Klopp to see if he really is determined to stay at Dortmund, or if the United job might tempt him to move. If not, then we should swallow our pride and target Martinez, who should have been considered once the board decided against appointing Mourinho.
None. I don't know why people keep on dreaming about Kroos, for instance. The funny thing is there's only one thing that will get first class players to join United. That won't be Moyes, it will be the wages, like the wages claimed we're offering Kroos. And thus, we because Chelsea and City - all while appointing a manager who is supposed to keep us closer to the Fergie era and prevent us becoming like those two. It's laughable. If we're going to become them, might as well have signed a suitable manager.
I'd rather we give Klopp 300k/week rather than Rooney
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