The tide has shifted. The bell has tolled. The women -they are wailing underneath black shawls. Think he's doomed now.
Moyes So Far!
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what a quote.
We should create a thread containing every Moyes quote as United manager.
I think many people have forgotten the things he has said over the months. A reminder would be nice. (for those still on the fence)
We should create a thread containing every Moyes quote as United manager.
I think many people have forgotten the things he has said over the months. A reminder would be nice. (for those still on the fence)
Please don't.
I am not.
The worrying thing about today's game is that Moyes pointed to our dominant possession as a positive to take away, whereas in fact part of Martinez & Evertons game plan was to let us take the possession for the majority of the game and hit us on the break. Scary that Moyes didn't notice this.
I wonder what sir Alex and sir bobby thought of that United performance, wonder if they see Moyes doing some things right...
It can't be long before a Philosoraptor style Moyes meme pops up around the internet.
Can somebody explain what Moyes' tactics were with the substitutions? Completely lost shape with Hernandez and Welbeck coming on and the ridiculous idea that Valencia is a right back. He thinks that subbing on strikers is a 'United' thing without any thought to how those subs would disrupt the formation.
I guess Moyes is trying to stay positive. Maybe he figures this is how he can right the ship. In a circus hall-of-mirrors way Moyes was right-we had a lot of possession and didn't create enough scoring chances.
This is sort of like an oncologist saying the problem with the patient is that bad cells are multiplying and creating tumors. It's descriptive-not analytical. They key issue is: why didn't we create enough scoring-and what can he do to change it? Seems as though he has no answers.
This is sort of like an oncologist saying the problem with the patient is that bad cells are multiplying and creating tumors. It's descriptive-not analytical. They key issue is: why didn't we create enough scoring-and what can he do to change it? Seems as though he has no answers.
Deep down I feel they both know they've cocked up. Whatever we here about who calls the shots let's be honest Fergie has a massive say and probably will with whoever the next manager is eventually.
The problem now is with how much time Moyes is given, and call me sceptical if you will but I believe Fergie carries too much of a personal ego to sling his Chosen Son so to speak without giving him at least two years, regardless of how it affects the football club.
Palace have won 4 of their 5 games recently having less possession than their opponents, as little as 34% in one. For the majority most of our possession today was in areas that did not threaten Everton. It is alright keeping the ball, but when the play needs to be quickened we just cannot do it.
Moyes idea of tweaking mid game when losing is to chuck on more attackers and hope for the best.
Yep. It's easy to claim he made attacking subs and 'went for it' this way too (which he has done numerous times).
Only time I remember it working was against Stoke at home.
Now it's our "rank and rotten defending" that's causing all the grief. This from the Torygraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ester-United-side-capitulates-to-Everton.html
Once again, it's the players copping the flak from Moyes. I suppose it must be clear to him by now that he's lost the dressing room and he's just shooting excuses from the hip like a demented gunfighter in a John Wayne film. The sooner this prick packs up and fecks off out of Old Trafford the better.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ester-United-side-capitulates-to-Everton.html
Once again, it's the players copping the flak from Moyes. I suppose it must be clear to him by now that he's lost the dressing room and he's just shooting excuses from the hip like a demented gunfighter in a John Wayne film. The sooner this prick packs up and fecks off out of Old Trafford the better.
Was Valencia at RB or were he and Buttner more advanced, ala wingbacks, with Carrick sitting deeper?
Whatever it was it looked a colossal feckup out there.
Whatever it was it looked a colossal feckup out there.
Moyes is always talking about the goals conceded instead of lack of opportunities created.
A winning managers says "They score 1 we score 2, they score 2 we score 3" Moyes is defeated as soon as he concedes.
A winning managers says "They score 1 we score 2, they score 2 we score 3" Moyes is defeated as soon as he concedes.
Pulis, like him or not, has generated a team spirit at Palace which is far better than anything Moyes has done here. I watched them against Chelsea and they were fighting like fiends for the ball. They harried Chelsea in possession and were it not for some good keeping by Cech, they might have won by more than one goal. OK, so the fear of relegation concentrates the mind (to paraphrase Dr. Johnson) but even though they don't have players of the same calibre as United, they play as a team and have a great collective strength.
If I were to bet, I'd bet he'll be sacked before the season is over.
Where did you get these stats from? Makes it look even worse, I thought we were doing in the second half of the season.
After two games you could see Pulis had tweaked the way Palace played. Under Holloway, they tried to play too much football from the back. From goal kicks their back four was on the edge of the 18 yards box, under Pulis they are pushed up to the half way line. It was so simply but it cut out the cheap goals they gave away early season. He has also got them playing some good football on the counter which seemed crazy early season as they looked like being relegated bottom.
It irks me that Pulis changed in two matches, but Moyes hasn't changed a thing and doesn't seem to have any ideas or a willingness to change things.
After 19 games in the league = 34 points. Maximum points we can reach by the end of the season = 69 (snigger). No improvement, just the same old shit with evolving excuses.
Pulis is better than Moyes, but I would not hire him for Manchester United.
Pulis is doing the simple things really well. He hasn't got millions to work with but he sussed his players out quickly, formulated a plan whereby they would play to their strengths, and instilled a bit of self-belief in them. In short, he had a plan. Martinez has a plan, Rogers too. Moyes' plan is to try harder doing something that doesn't really work.
Me neither but he's doing a very good job at Palace. He's one of that breed of British managers that gets the best out of average players in a backs-to-the-wall relegation fight. Trouble is, they tend to play that way even when their team is in a fairly safe position and that's why the inbreds at Stoke got tired of him.
Hes done it all season usually involves sticking Hernandez up front, trying to shoe horn Welbeck in somewhere.
Then all the the attacking players behind the striker go on a merry go round and swap positions every 5-10 minutes in the hope that something happens, despite looking confused as to what they are trying to achieve.
Rarely have i seen a top side with talented players look so under coached as this one this season.
I looked them up myself. I wanted to see how we were doing compared to other clubs. Palace are above us if you look at the second half of the season. Liverpool have an impressive points tally, 44 i think. Averaged out at 2.8 points per game, they've also scored over double the amount of goals! Stoke have the same amount of points as us albeit playing a game in hand.
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Honestly, I would rather have Pulis than Moyes as United manager.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/full-list-records-broken-moyes-140500470--sow.html
The full list of records broken by Moyes as Manchester United boss
By Harry Sherlock 3 hours ago
David Moyes has overseen a record-breaking season at Manchester United - but for all the wrong reasons.
Sunday's defeat at Everton means that the defending champions cannot finish in the top four this season, the first time they have failed to qualify for the Champions League since 1995.
The result also gifted the Toffees their first league double over United since 1969-70.
The below list was first published on Goal following the 3-0 home defeat to Manchester City at the end of March, but has been updated to reflect yet more unwanted records from a nightmare season.
MOYES'S UNWANTED RECORDS AT MAN UTD
United is guaranteed to finish the season with its lowest ever Premier League points tally
United fails to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 1995
United's worst home league form for over a decade
Suffered three defeats in a row for the first time since 2001
Eliminated in the FA Cup third round - something which happened just once under Ferguson
First ever home defeat to Swansea
First home defeat to Newcastle since 1972
First home defeat to West Brom since 1978
First league defeat to Stoke since 1984
First time United conceded a first-minute goal in the Premier League - Dzeko for City
First time Man City and Liverpool have beaten United home and away since EPL inception
First time Everton, Man City and Liverpool have beaten United home and away since EPL inception
First time Everton has beaten United home and away since 1969-70
First time Everton and Liverpool have ever done a league double over United in the same season
The full list of records broken by Moyes as Manchester United boss
By Harry Sherlock 3 hours ago
David Moyes has overseen a record-breaking season at Manchester United - but for all the wrong reasons.
Sunday's defeat at Everton means that the defending champions cannot finish in the top four this season, the first time they have failed to qualify for the Champions League since 1995.
The result also gifted the Toffees their first league double over United since 1969-70.
The below list was first published on Goal following the 3-0 home defeat to Manchester City at the end of March, but has been updated to reflect yet more unwanted records from a nightmare season.
MOYES'S UNWANTED RECORDS AT MAN UTD
United is guaranteed to finish the season with its lowest ever Premier League points tally
United fails to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 1995
United's worst home league form for over a decade
Suffered three defeats in a row for the first time since 2001
Eliminated in the FA Cup third round - something which happened just once under Ferguson
First ever home defeat to Swansea
First home defeat to Newcastle since 1972
First home defeat to West Brom since 1978
First league defeat to Stoke since 1984
First time United conceded a first-minute goal in the Premier League - Dzeko for City
First time Man City and Liverpool have beaten United home and away since EPL inception
First time Everton, Man City and Liverpool have beaten United home and away since EPL inception
First time Everton has beaten United home and away since 1969-70
First time Everton and Liverpool have ever done a league double over United in the same season
Keep your shit on your shores, thanks.
I really do think that Moyes is cognisant of media reaction too when taking off players, you can call his subs and it's not based on performance kagawa, nani, they were always going to come off. We screamed for pace, and Rooney was not doing it welbeck or Hernandez for Rooney would make sense, also why take off Evans, jones was having a poor game and Moyes crucified him, why not have evens and smalling... Especially if you was going to call jones out for his mistake.
No thought of what impact the subs were going to be, but as you say, he was putting attackers on so it must be positive right!!!
Stoke City, Crystal Palace and even Hull fecking City have more points at home than we do this season. Just read that sentence again and then ask yourself why he's still here.
He's spent 70 million to add to a title-winning squad and we are miles off champions league qualification, nevermind the title. All while playing terrible, toothless football. We've got beat home and away by Everton, Liverpool, City, Tottenham and if Mourinho knew what we know now then he would have done the same. Everton could have beat us five-nil today we were so poor and if Naismaith could finish they would have.
He's a joker and has the most unentitled sense of accomplishment I've seen since Roy Hodgson. We need to sack him or else things will only get worse.
He's spent 70 million to add to a title-winning squad and we are miles off champions league qualification, nevermind the title. All while playing terrible, toothless football. We've got beat home and away by Everton, Liverpool, City, Tottenham and if Mourinho knew what we know now then he would have done the same. Everton could have beat us five-nil today we were so poor and if Naismaith could finish they would have.
He's a joker and has the most unentitled sense of accomplishment I've seen since Roy Hodgson. We need to sack him or else things will only get worse.
I think he may be done for. I do, personally, happen to think he could be a success here. I have my doubts that those with power, at our club, are confident enough that this is the case.
I wouldn't blame them. Things have gone more wrong than pretty much any of us thought.
I will moan if I'm right, though...
I wouldn't blame them. Things have gone more wrong than pretty much any of us thought.
I will moan if I'm right, though...
Can you explain why you think he can be a success here?
Here is another one for you: Sunderland have more wins against the other top 10 teams (excluding us) than we do. They also have more points.
Moyes agnosticism. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean you can rule it out completely.
He's a tough sort, who is determined as they come. He also did a pretty good job with Everton.
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