Moyes So Far!

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BennyBlanco said:
When? I didn't hear that?
closest I heard was him saying we played and passed well in the first half, should have been a 0-0 but we found ourselves 2 down after 2 poor goals.
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Cheers. There's only so many laughable quotes from our coaching staff I can take in one week.
 
Jev said:
Even his personality is so unappealing, such smugness. There's nothing to like.
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He does not have a clue.


Crono said:
"We should have got a 0-0 out of that" is what he said on MUTV after the match. Horrible c*nt.
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Without even reading your post that is what I got from his post-game comments. He kept talking about the 2 goals that we allowed, but never said anything about our lack of scoring. This guy goes into every match not to lose, instead of trying to win. What a disaster.
 
Another point is, and it's not the first time, he ducked down the tunnel at FT without any acknowledgement to the fans.

They've stood by him when no other clubs fans would have. Poor show.
 
Sarni said:
His smugness is killing me. See, this is the difference between him and Ferguson - one praises the losing side after an inept performance and is delighted with himself, the other is annoyed at what he saw in a cup final win. A world of difference between the two, aside from being Scottish they have nothing in common.
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SAF said that in the 1980's, he didn't talk like that in the later stages of his career, and he constantly praised dire performances.

I don't see anything wrong with his comments here.
 
There is a reason why he always says" get a result" instead of "getting a win"

A result for him is a draw.
 
Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember Moyes being this way when results would go against Everton, the smugness and laughing about it. It's something he seems to have developed here to put a brave face on things.
 
verminater said:
It's like that ad where Homer keeps electrocuting himself. Nothing changes. No improvement.
I'm convinced that if Moyes piloted the Titanic, he'd have sunk it more than once.
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He's good with a sinking ship to be fair. Should we ever find ourselves barely keeping our heads above water (fighting relegation) then he is the man.
 
Nani Nana said:
Any team changing managers after 27 years needs rebuilding.
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I don't think you can say 'any team'. (Well you can, and did :) ) Why would a winning team need rebuilding? Strengthening, yes - it shouldn't be necessary to rebuild. There's always a natural progression with departures and new signings. That's not rebuilding.
 
Ixion said:
Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember Moyes being this way when results would go against Everton, the smugness and laughing about it. It's something he seems to have developed here to put a brave face on things.
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If I didn't know any better, I could start believing the conspiracy theories.
 
I will probably come in for criticism for this, but i shall proceed anyhow.

The possession is not the problem for me, in fact its a good thing. Guardiola so often talks about why he demands possession, because he says it limits the chances that the opposition can score. So the more possession you have, the less chances they should get.

What happened today and has happened a lot of times this season, is we get caught in possession with most of our men in attacking positions. The opposition counters and hits us hard.

The way to counter this is do what guardiola/klopp do, which is when you lose the ball(which is inevitable) that you will hunt in packs to get it back within 8 seconds. This prevents opposition from launching a counter. Today, everton didnt win because of martinez's genius or that he has transformed everton. They won because they saw how other teams have beat us this season which is to sit back, invite us on and then hit us hard on the break. It is the same as what we did against bayern or tried to do. Simple really.

It kind of mirrors athleticos victory over barca in the CL. barca like us had 60% and yet athletico defended, worked hard and then when a barca player lost possession, they countered. If Pep was still over Barca, that would not happen, because as soon as a barca player would lose possession, they would hunt to get it back, hence preventing the opposition getting up field. Even now, with all their talent, barca struggle, because they no longer do this and faster, stronger teams expose them.

Moyes with kagawa, rooney, mata, nani has set the team out like barca/dortmund. But they have to work harder when they lose the ball. The system does not work otherwise for teams that are technically superior (which we are) but slower and smaller.

This season is redundant really so i would read into what happens in the remaining games. He will buy players in the summer. He badly needs a creative CM in the mould of Xavi who can pass, control and see. But the first three games in august will have to show an improved work rate off the ball. The players simply have to work off the ball high up the pitch to make the system work.

Or else he has to change the system. You can have all the players in the world like barca do, but if they dont work or do what they have to do, the system wont work.
 
Crono said:
"We should have got a 0-0 out of that" is what he said on MUTV after the match. Horrible c*nt.
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He actually said that in verbatim? I did hear the "possession" "played well" "two bad goals" stuff, but never heard the 0-0 result claim. If he truly said that, or even his comments sort of inferring that result, it's the mindset of a manager trying to avoid relegation by picking up tough away points. Horrible attitude.
 
Livvie said:
I don't think you can say 'any team'. (Well you can, and did :) ) Why would a winning team need rebuilding? Strengthening, yes - it shouldn't be necessary to rebuild. There's always a natural progression with departures and new signings. That's not rebuilding.
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Absolutely right. We've heard all the excuses this season, especially from muppets in the media and former players/pundits. And even some of our own fans brainwashed into believing it. Old, average squad (even though other clubs have them too) blah blah. But those clubs are ahead of us. Why is that?

SAF had to rebuild a squad when he took over, Moyes didn't. Like you said, strengthening in the right areas. not rebuilding, especially when it's a group of players that have challenged every season. Evolution, not revolution. Breaking it up would lead to decline, for certain. And besides Suarez and maybe a few others, Liverpool have a pretty average squad, but we don't hear that often, do we?
 
Nani Nana said:
Any team changing managers after 27 years needs rebuilding.
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Ofcourse the squad needed rebuilding. What kind of rebuilding has he actually done in this entire season ? He has wasted an entire summer culminating in us panic buying Fellaini for £27.5m and than continious failure for an entire year in devlivering any kind of decent performance blaming it on lacking the right kind of players.

-Lack of quality players is a fair point, yet it doesn't excuse these kind of performances since teams with lesser players are able to perform at a higher level (not talking about results, simply about the performance)
-Lack of quality players can excuse him for not winning the title (or being in contention) yet it is no excuse for missing out on the top 4
-Lack of quality players is for a large degree his fault because he wasted an entire transfer summer not brining in good players that were available (like Willian, Strootman, Baines etc to name a few)

In short yea ofcourse he can call in the transitional card and the lack of quality players (especially in the midfield) but it doesn't excuse him for the performances and it doesn't excuse him for landing outside of the top 4 and he could have done something about that lack of players in the summer (and winter) but he didn't do that.

This entire season just feels wasted. It hasn't been used to rebuild the squad, we have to start brining in new players and no new foundations have been layed in place to slot in those new players. Wasting an entire season like that is just inexcusable.
 
northbynorthwest said:
I will probably come in for criticism for this, but i shall proceed anyhow.

The possession is not the problem for me, in fact its a good thing. Guardiola so often talks about why he demands possession, because he says it limits the chances that the opposition can score. So the more possession you have, the less chances they should get.

What happened today and has happened a lot of times this season, is we get caught in possession with most of our men in attacking positions. The opposition counters and hits us hard.

The way to counter this is do what guardiola/klopp do, which is when you lose the ball(which is inevitable) that you will hunt in packs to get it back within 8 seconds. This prevents opposition from launching a counter. Today, everton didnt win because of martinez's genius or that he has transformed everton. They won because they saw how other teams have beat us this season which is to sit back, invite us on and then hit us hard on the break. It is the same as what we did against bayern or tried to do. Simple really.

It kind of mirrors athleticos victory over barca in the CL. barca like us had 60% and yet athletico defended, worked hard and then when a barca player lost possession, they countered. If Pep was still over Barca, that would not happen, because as soon as a barca player would lose possession, they would hunt to get it back, hence preventing the opposition getting up field. Even now, with all their talent, barca struggle, because they no longer do this and faster, stronger teams expose them.

Moyes with kagawa, rooney, mata, nani has set the team out like barca/dortmund. But they have to work harder when they lose the ball. The system does not work otherwise for teams that are technically superior (which we are) but slower and smaller.

This season is redundant really so i would read into what happens in the remaining games. He will buy players in the summer. He badly needs a creative CM in the mould of Xavi who can pass, control and see. But the first three games in august will have to show an improved work rate off the ball. The players simply have to work off the ball high up the pitch to make the system work.

Or else he has to change the system. You can have all the players in the world like barca do, but if they dont work or do what they have to do, the system wont work.
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Excellent post, welcome up.
 
You'd think the longer Dave was in the job the better things would seem?

First Half of the season:
W:10
D:4
L:5
GF:32
GA: 22
GD: 10
Points: 34
Points Per Game: 1.8

Second Half of the season:
W:7
D:2
L:6
GF:24
GA: 18
GD: 6
Points: 23
Points Per Game: 1.5

If you use the same format and apply it to last seasons results:

First Half of the season:
W:15
D:1
L:3
GF:48
GA: 28
GD: 20
Points: 46
Points Per Game: 2.4

Second Half of the season:
W:13
D:4
L:2
GF:38
GA: 15
GD: 23
Points: 43
Points Per Game: 2.3

So much for Dave producing better results as the season goes along. In 15 games he's managed more losses than we did for the entire of last season. Not good reading.
 
When he gets sacked, and comes back to OT with his new club, do we boo or give him a hero's welcome?
 
Empire said:
When he gets sacked, and comes back to OT with his new club, do we boo or give him a hero's welcome?
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Just be crazy happy that he's managing the away side.

So, give him the hero's welcome of the sarcastic ilk.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
We boo him, obviously.
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It's not obvious. Since we have supported him all season despite many failures, so fans might show respect and applaud him. I suppose it's best to just not acknowledge him, pretend he was never the manager. Best for both parties that.
 
What the feck? :lol:
http://talksport.com/magazine/featu...david-moyes-would-look-actual-dinosaur-202378

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David Moyes edging closer to Manchester United exit door after abject display against former club Everton
Body language of United players suggest manager may have lost dressing room as season falters to an uncomfortable end
By Mark Ogden
The worst thing for David Moyes in watching his Manchester Unitedplayers surrender at Goodison Park was that they would have known how much he wanted to win this game.

Perhaps that is why they did so little to deliver for a manager who the majority of them clearly no longer have the stomach or desire to play for.

In a season that has produced more tipping points than a council dump, this one feels the most perilous for Moyes. Now it appears as though it is now a case of when, rather than if, his disastrous tenure comes to an end.

For personal reasons, it meant everything to Moyes to return to Evertonand emerge with his head held high, having silenced the boos, jeers and mocking chants that had greeted him from the moment he emerged from the team bus.

Yet on a day when their manager was so desperate to succeed United’s players produced the most half-hearted and uninterested performance that has shamed the red shirts for 30 years.

It was one which is likely to prove a death knell for the Scot, with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward barely betraying his discomfort as the cameras focused on him in the directors’ box.

As Moyes stood on the touchline, waving his arms like a blind man directing traffic, he resembled a parent chiding an unruly teenager for playing the music too loud upstairs.

And the response from those on the pitch was akin to the adolescent shrugging his shoulders and turning the volume up to full blast before the door had even been closed.

Many of United’s senior players have harboured strong misgivings about Moyes’s capabilities for weeks now, doubts which were revealed in Telegraph Sport last month, but the former Everton manager is now losing the faith of those who the team’s future should be built around.

Revelations earlier in the day that England forward Danny Welbeck wants to leave United this summer due to the breakdown of his relationship with Moyes were not mere speculation, with the player’s advisers rejecting opportunities to dismiss the story.

With Moyes disciplining Welbeck, Ashley Young and Tom Cleverley for a night out 10 days prior to this game – prescribing extra training for the three of them – it is little wonder that a group of internationals and title winners have lost patience with a man who is set to guide United to seventh position, their lowest finish since 1990.

The exasperation which now runs through the squad was evident on the pitch as Everton comfortably secured the victory which keeps theirChampions League aspirations alive.

Dwight Yorke, the United treble winner who was watching from the television studio, did little to hide his view of the disconnect between the players and the manager.

“You expect players to be fresh and up for the game for the manager’s sake because they know how important it was for him,” Yorke said. “He has learnt the players he trusted in let him down badly.”

On many occasions this season, Moyes has resisted the opportunity to criticise the players who have failed him. Following humiliating defeats against Olympiakos, Liverpool and Manchester City Moyes tiptoed around the issue, opting instead to shoulder responsibility and insist that everything would be better next season.

Within the bowels of Goodison Park after the game, the message was again the same.

“I think everybody knows that we are on track to make changes and do some different things,” Moyes said.

“We are rebuilding, we have got things we want to do. Today there were things that were not that good, but there were things that were good. We need to try and get rid of the bad things and do better with the things we should have done.”

Former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher, sat alongside Yorke in the Sky studio, appeared startled after hearing Moyes talk of positives from this game, however.

“If David Moyes thinks Man United played well, I would worry for Man United,” Carragher said.

United’s supporters are certainly growing tired of Moyes uttering the words “hope” and “try” following each disappointment this season and there is a danger that the collective support from the terraces will evaporate and develop a more militant edge over the final four, meaningless games of this campaign.

But results will ultimately decide Moyes’s fate and there may be a clue as to the levels of patience displayed by United’s owners, the Glazer family, from events at Tampa Bay Buccaneers, their NFL franchise, earlier this year.

After sacking Tampa’s coach and general manager, Bryan Glazer insisted that time had run out.

“The results over the past two years have not lived up to our standards,” Glazer said. “We believe the time has come to find a new direction.”

When asked after this defeat whether the board recognise his insistence that things will get better on his watch, Moyes shrugged his shoulders and smiled, but it was a nervous, uncomfortable smile.

For all his good work behind the scenes in rebuilding scouting networks and player analysis, that kind of progress will count for nothing on the Stretford End.

It is all about success and trophies and, as United’s team bus drove past Stanley Park on its way towards the M62, the sight of Anfield on the horizon preparing for a title party, will have darkened the mood even more.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ject-display-against-former-club-Everton.html
 
One of the things Sir Alex always said was he wanted to leave a good team that would continue to be successful, he was determined for what happened after Sir Matt from happening again and from his words at the end of last season I think he truely believed he had left his sucessor in good shape. But Moyes started planting the seeds in people's minds after just a couple of games into the season that the player's weren't good enough and people have bought into it.
 
bobbyf said:
Absolutely right. We've heard all the excuses this season, especially from muppets in the media and former players/pundits. And even some of our own fans brainwashed into believing it. Old, average squad (even though other clubs have them too) blah blah. But those clubs are ahead of us. Why is that?

SAF had to rebuild a squad when he took over, Moyes didn't. Like you said, strengthening in the right areas. not rebuilding, especially when it's a group of players that have challenged every season. Evolution, not revolution. Breaking it up would lead to decline, for certain. And besides Suarez and maybe a few others, Liverpool have a pretty average squad, but we don't hear that often, do we?
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Liverpool have pretty average players, but they're a far better team than we are. Do they have major changes every game?
 
Livvie said:
Liverpool have pretty average players, but they're a far better team than we are. Do they have major changes every game?
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No, just a manager who can get the best out of them and who they believe in. We beat that same team twice last season. And it's not just the SAF factor. We wouldn't have lost to them twice in the same manner, without any fight or belief, under better management. We're a lot better than where Moyes has taken us to.
 
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