Now that is fighting talk.
Moyes So Far!
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Now that is fighting talk.
Evra declined however some players had improved throughout the years. For example Januzaj was a revelation this year.
SAF has shown time and time again how he's able to defy the odds and overachieve. Give SAF the 60m+ Moyes was given to end up, erm 7th and he would have surely ended up amongst the top 3.
Bayern are going through a transition. This is a collapse.
What a winner Ferguson was, unbelievable, incredible character even if people try to downplay him in defence of Moyes.
Then you have Moyes praising the team defeat after defeat...
Exactly right.
What is it that could be keeping anyone in the Moyes In camp at this point? It can't be evidence, they've long since abandoned that, since all of the evidence points to the conclusion that Moyes is incompetent. They're forced to rely on the pitiful rationalisations they have invented in their heads.
I'm convinced we'd be leading the league if Sir Alex is still the manager.
Any team changing managers after 27 years needs rebuilding.
There's absolutely no way in hell Ferguson would have us outside top 4. He was capable of finishing 3rd with a team that had Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Miller, Bellion and Richardson getting actual game time. The current side is a monster compared to some teams we played under him.
Not quite, since I back up my posts with concrete references whilst you have resorted to attack the poster, not the post - an obvious sign you cannot sustain the debate at hand
I'm convinced we'd be leading the league if Sir Alex is still the manager.
I dont really believe that. A top 3 spot (possibly second) is far more realistic.
Apparently all managers succeed when given time, good thing Liverpool didn't know to give Souness a 10yr contract, otherwise we wouldn't be on the perch at all.
so we agree right?
And they need a competent manager in charge of that rebuilding, not someone who fails miserably from the beginning.
Besides it's not like this team has played under Ferguson for 27 years. At the end of the day most of this players have had numerous managers in their careers, I think Giggs is the only one who never played for anyone else. The importance of having the same man in charge is a bit overstated.
Yes.
Like when I posted facts about Klopp and Van Gaal. Nice try using the poisoning the well fallacy.
You are David Moyes or related to him, that's the only logical answer. This is not a personal attack by the way, it's an assumption. There is a difference.
His smugness is killing me. See, this is the difference between him and Ferguson - one praises the losing side after an inept performance and is delighted with himself, the other is annoyed at what he saw in a cup final win. A world of difference between the two, aside from being Scottish they have nothing in common.
Vidic has actually played more games this season than the previous two combined!
I'll give you Rio, who is shot, but Smalling and Jones have matured in the same time you think some have declined.
Right, so this match is the latest reminder about one giant problem that has been a consistent of Moyes' hopefully not too long lasting tenure at Old Trafford, and that is our inability to actually open teams up.
We've spent most of the season knocking hopeful crosses into the box, and when we actually try to pop it about, barring odd game when Kagawa and Mata sex things up, we seem to do so without any actual penetration and ideas and end up giving the ball away through an equally hopeful bit of play. Whether it's crossing or keep ball, there doesn't seem to actually be that ability nor the cohesion to cut open teams. It's all hopeful football reliant on the opposition messing up rather than us on the front foot cutting them open.
We've spent most of the season knocking hopeful crosses into the box, and when we actually try to pop it about, barring odd game when Kagawa and Mata sex things up, we seem to do so without any actual penetration and ideas and end up giving the ball away through an equally hopeful bit of play. Whether it's crossing or keep ball, there doesn't seem to actually be that ability nor the cohesion to cut open teams. It's all hopeful football reliant on the opposition messing up rather than us on the front foot cutting them open.
he simply must be sacked...or alternitavely make him a number 2 for Van Gaal so that he can learn about how to set top teams up so that they can carve oppositions open so that he could maybe take over from Van Gaal in a few years time and at least then know how to manage a big club.............but he simply absolutely should not be given next season as manager of man utd...he is simply miles and miles and miles out of his depth in terms of understanding moderd pressing tactics that enable you to carve oppositions open at every possible attack
Who knows, we'd have had a better summer transfer window thats for damn certain
I wish he'd take his low standards elsewhere.
This is beyond a joke now, never mind sacking him, just get rid of the clueless embarrassing cnuts.
I've noticed that anyone defending Moyes now always uses wider things to defend him, like "he needs time to rebuild" or "It's not the United way". They never use anything about the man himself, because there's no logical way to look at him as a manager and actually think he should still be in a job.
I'm talking of the Vidic-Ferdinand partnership that cemented our 2011-2012 success and declined progressively.
Other talented players maturing cannot instantly make up for one of the best CB duos in the Prem era, or can it?
Even his personality is so unappealing, such smugness. There's nothing to like.
That's it! Perhaps I'd find it easier to warm to him if he was actually likable. He isn't, he's smug and always happy with himself. The quote about trying to get a team that wins better or something was genuinely awful too.
Yep, it's been an issue from minute one to where we find ourselves today, you can't really say hes not had the tools either? Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Van Persie.. Kagawa.. Welbeck.. all creative players in their own right.
Our first chance today was in the 86th minute, depressing.
I don't see how buying 100million's worth of new talent will cover up ineptitude.
"We should have got a 0-0 out of that" is what he said on MUTV after the match. Horrible c*nt.
Fact is, we need the match going fans to turn against him. There are now pockets of fans organising protests, we all need to back this and get involved as much as we can.
Are you fkin serious?
It has already killed me to be honest I hope he gets booted real fast.
Burn this witch
That's one thing we've always had - the ability to create chances. Even the last two years when our defence has not been as good as it could, we always had goals and goal threat to us, even if we weren't fluid. Now were neither fluid nor defensively good nor do we create chances easily.
When? I didn't hear that?
closest I heard was him saying we played and passed well in the first half, should have been a 0-0 but we found ourselves 2 down after 2 poor goals.
Wrong. Vidic picked up a long term serious injury (for 7-8 months) early in season 2011-12 and we only lost the league on goal difference, so what success? The next season we won the league with him and Rio plus the other defenders in the squad. Not a progressive decline, was it?
And the whole world knew we needed to replace them cos of their age, except Moyes that is.
The ageing player excuse can only be used to a certain point as well. Okay, players like Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic are getting past their best, but why is it that all three have suddenly shown a significant decline this season? Is it simply bad luck on our part that they've all declined while Terry and Gerrard have found some of their better form again, or is it not the fact that they're under better management than we have, and have managers who are still able to get the best out of them?
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