Moyes So Far!
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Managed by Tim Sherwood.
Me too.
In any other team sport, in any other club anywhere in the world, David Moyes would've been sacked 10 times by now. If there's a thin line between staying true to our values and being insanely stubborn, between giving a man a chance to show even the slightest glimpse of his talents and denying the truth in front of our eyes or between seeing actual improvement and trying to convince ourselves that things would be bad anyway (with the hope they'll surely get better in time), we have crossed it a long time ago.
Or even killing in the name of Seven Deadly Sins.
feck me, how the man still has a job after some of his actions today is beyond me
Moyes said this in his presser today. "We need to try and get rid of the bad things and do better with the things we should have done."
I'm sorry but as more and more games pass Moyes looks more and more like a rabbit caught in headlights. And for those who say getting rid of the manager isn't the Manchester United way you're simply wrong. This club has got rid of managers who haven't succeeded in the past. The Manchester United way is to be ruthless and get rid of staff who aren't cutting it - that's the Manchester United way.
Same Mourinho who lost the title this season by letting go of Chelsea's only capable striker, the one who tormented us today with his terrific movement ?
This is partly true and I think it most impacted Moyes himself. He who has an excellent track record in the transfer market (and dedicated a lot of time identifying targets for next season in past months) couldn't prepare his first transfer window properly, which still bears upon us today.
However he has appointed highly capable people since the beginning of the season and screened the market accordingly to make us look like Man Utd again next season.
Yes, no proof. Here's some for you. The Glazers usually sack coaches at Tampa Bay when the season is effectively over, not during the season. They wouldn't do this after certain results or performances, more of an overview of the whole season.
I wasn't, actually.
That post basically sounded like one championing Grant as better than Mourinho, which I'm sure not a sane person in the world would truly think. I'm sure the poster's point was Chelsea struggled initially in 2007, then Mourinho departed/was sacked, Grant righted a ship (not really), and Chelsea went further in-spite of itself. Totally different to the Spurs situation.
Why is it that everyone outside the club knows that Moyes is hideously out of his depth, including Everton supporters?
Poor old Steve, cut off in his prime.
...................................................Yorke, Neville and a host of other ex players, get nice salaries from united for being ambassadors they will probably have been briefed to go easy on him.
Is that you, David Moyes?
Mourinho, a million times the manager Moyes is. Even a pro-Moyes fanatic such as yourself can see this.
It was meant to illustrate that this kind of short-sighted and simplistic analysis is pointless.
My quote was more reference to his name being John Doe.
I know that, I was just piggy-backing on my comment.
I would honestly take Tony Pulis as our manager right now.
I can just imagine steam coming out of your ears.
People are critical of Moyes' work because they can't see the whole complete act yet. But when this is done, when it's finished, it's going to be... people will barely be able to comprehend, but they won't be able to deny.
1 win in 12 games against a top 6 side this season. Scored 8 goals in total. Says it all.
You know this how?
Isn't this what posters on forums do? We're not talking medicine and science here with precise analysis and well thought out planning. My bad for making a post without a fully thought out analysis of said event.
Yeah managed by Tim fecking Sherwood, its easy to forget spuds have had a terrible season and yet we can't catch them.
At this point none of it makes any kind of sense.
Relegated?
Ok. I thought it went over your head.
Some things do, like Moyessic tactics.
So you admit you're talking shite then? Fair enough, carry on.
I've been know to do that on this forum fairly often, whether intentionally or not. As is, Moyes is a shit manager and should be fired immediately.
True enough. But if we don't get rid of that particular problem who do we expect to deal with the other ones?
He was great at Everton, pulling them out of the relegation zone, making them a stable midtable/subtop team that functions properley on a low budget, they are benefiting from that no doubt however the criticism he got from alot of them that Moyes took them as far as he could and that he wasn't capable of progressing them to that next level has also been justified.
The guy seems excellent at managing a team that tries not to lose, a team that is happy to stay in the PL, be safe relegation wise but isn't bothered about much more than that, teams like West Ham United or Fullham. However when he needs to manage a team that is about winning and playing attacking football, you can see he is out of his depth.
The challenge at United isn't about saving us from relegation or pulling us up in the league, it is not about building a stable side on a low budget. The challenge is about inspiring his players, outwitting his opponents tactically with positive (or atleast effective) football and he is compleltey failing at that task. Not once have I seen United this season playing brilliant football, they all look uncomfortable on the ball, they all look to be ineffective at the other side of the pitch, it is meaningless, boring and uneffective football we have been playing every signle match. Versus some of the weaker sides we can manage to pull off a result and pretend like it was a good display but against every side above us we have simply been outplayed, either on quality or tactically or both. At Everton you can see they are benefiting from having a new coach with a refreshing coaching style, training more with the ball, putting the emphasis on offensive football, taking care of the technical aspects of the game, playing at a high enough tempo and they have become a much better team because of Martinez while we have become the complete counterpart and have become boring and uneffective.
The guy seems excellent at managing a team that tries not to lose, a team that is happy to stay in the PL, be safe relegation wise but isn't bothered about much more than that, teams like West Ham United or Fullham. However when he needs to manage a team that is about winning and playing attacking football, you can see he is out of his depth.
The challenge at United isn't about saving us from relegation or pulling us up in the league, it is not about building a stable side on a low budget. The challenge is about inspiring his players, outwitting his opponents tactically with positive (or atleast effective) football and he is compleltey failing at that task. Not once have I seen United this season playing brilliant football, they all look uncomfortable on the ball, they all look to be ineffective at the other side of the pitch, it is meaningless, boring and uneffective football we have been playing every signle match. Versus some of the weaker sides we can manage to pull off a result and pretend like it was a good display but against every side above us we have simply been outplayed, either on quality or tactically or both. At Everton you can see they are benefiting from having a new coach with a refreshing coaching style, training more with the ball, putting the emphasis on offensive football, taking care of the technical aspects of the game, playing at a high enough tempo and they have become a much better team because of Martinez while we have become the complete counterpart and have become boring and uneffective.
I'm going out to get steaming drunk. I expect him gone by the time I wake up tomorrow.
Incredible isn't it?
I'm a little confused. Why did Moyes say we played well?
It's called a transition period. It does not take two different sets of managerial skills to complete these tasks.
Any of the managers you will name me as potential replacements will have been through that stage before upgrading.
Klopp finished 6th in his first season at Borussia. Van Gaal took 3 years to win his first league title with Ajax.
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