Yeh..but some horses just don't like their jockeys. Moyes is not Tony McCoy.
Moyes So Far!
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I don't know about others but I know I will do more than crack a smile.
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I don't think we'd have won the league - although maybe Fergie would have done different deals in the transfer market, so who knows.
I just don't get the mentality of playing an unfit Wayne Rooney as a lone striker, and having him take the free kicks and corners. Or not playing Kagawa in the same position where he did so well in Germany. Amongst other things.
I fear next season because he always comes out with bs about us playing well despite a defeat. He needs to leave I can't see us getting any better next season with him in charge.
Stealing the spotlight of Liverpool's triumph... priceless!
Perfect timing for the sacking. The day they lift the trophy United fans can get excited again about the future.
I think @SteveJ is one of my fav posters on here haha.
Anyway, of course hes going to laugh after every defeat. Were "not a sacking club" and he has a six year contract. Id be laughing like a maniac :P
Anyway, of course hes going to laugh after every defeat. Were "not a sacking club" and he has a six year contract. Id be laughing like a maniac :P
Most likely, you'd think though now Rooney's committed we'd have more power over him.
I wanted to give him a chance, but those players with this manager will make no difference.
At least I can take satisfaction in knowing that I was correct about Moyes early on (summer).
Had I been an owner, he would have been sacked after his stupid comments about the club not capable of winning the CL. Who in their right mind would say that about a club(that has won it all) before a game has even been played? Saying that we need 6 world class players to be a threat in the CL. What an insult to the squad.
This guy's mentality, from the beginning, infected the club. His decision to get rid of(coaches) and belittling everything from the past was arrogant/insulting.
Had I been an owner, he would have been sacked after his stupid comments about the club not capable of winning the CL. Who in their right mind would say that about a club(that has won it all) before a game has even been played? Saying that we need 6 world class players to be a threat in the CL. What an insult to the squad.
This guy's mentality, from the beginning, infected the club. His decision to get rid of(coaches) and belittling everything from the past was arrogant/insulting.
Moyes just needs to go. I fear what state our club would be like in a years time.
Getting those players is like getting Stevie Wonder a Ferrari.
Its getting to the point the teams playing so cr*p we can't tell our good players from our bad ones. They all look and play the same way. We've become..almost like a premier league pub team.
As much as we shout and scream for moyes to go...i just don't see it happening yet. Sadly
Im angry at Moyes but in some respect Im actually starting to feel sorry for him. He's clearly out of his depth and right now its like hes been given a slow death at the club and just needs to be put out of his misery.
This week to week struggling is doing no-one any good. Ive even now just run out of words. Im just quiet....solemn and disheartened.and im usually a happy person.
Why not yet? Where's the proof of that?
I've been saying this all season. How can we judge our players on this season alone with such a clueless manager? Some maybe, but more from last season than this.
And how can you feel sorry for him? I respect him for trying but he knew what he was taking on and if he's feeling the heat now he can always do the decent thing and resign.
Then he'll bring the club to it's knees. Madness.
He doesn't understand that. He's not big enough for the job, from an ego standpoint. He's never had a squad full of top class players with massive egos and driven by the desire to win (and lucrative contracts). He also needed Rooney in his camp from the start, I guess that's his thinking. He's a mental midget.
Reminds me of a few bosses I've had the displeasure of working for that didn't have the balls to relay to management what was necessary and what was being said amongst the working staff. To the point persons like myself had to circumvent the chain of command to get our input to the right people. And a few times changes occurred after such input.
Welbeck has played quite a lot under Moyes to be fair, not sure what he's getting at? There are other players who have reason to complain, not Welbeck though in my opinion.
You don't give a new horse to a jockey that takes the current champion and cripples it. You give it to a better jockey.
Anyway David Moyes shouldnt be trusted with millions to spend. He's out of his depth. It's pretty obvious.
As bad as we've been this season - and that is absolutely fecking terrible - we're still doing better than Moyes' average position at Everton. His average finish was 8th.
He has managed to change my opinion of him this season though - I used to think he was a decent mid-table manager now out of his depth, but I increasingly think he is probably a bad manager who just didn't quite get found out at Everton.
He has managed to change my opinion of him this season though - I used to think he was a decent mid-table manager now out of his depth, but I increasingly think he is probably a bad manager who just didn't quite get found out at Everton.
I could say I was correct and that even before he signed any contract, can't feel any satisfaction though
I'd imagine the Glazers have watched this. They might have been on the phone already.
Which glorious chances are these?
He has us twelve points behind Everton after taking over a title-winning squad. He wouldn't have came close to winning the league if he had the Bayern squad and that's the truth of it. He'd probably have came close to top four and treated it like an achievement.
We're not a sacking club?
Tell that to Wilf McGuinness, Frank O'Farrell, Tommy Doc, Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson.
We stuck with Fergie because common-sense prevailed - the team had to be rebuilt from scratch. It was a close thing though.
Tell that to Wilf McGuinness, Frank O'Farrell, Tommy Doc, Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson.
We stuck with Fergie because common-sense prevailed - the team had to be rebuilt from scratch. It was a close thing though.
I could say I was correct and that even before he signed any contract, can't feel any satisfaction though
It was more of a figure of speech. I take no satisfaction in what has happened to United.
He will probably say he took Everton as far as he could, yet he didn't. They could have been even better but the manager was holding them back.
Well, he maybe went along with playing out of position when he believed in the vision the club had. Could always have been a sore point that is now more exposed because he doesn't believe in our manager. Just an idea..
Good points. Not to mention the analogy was stupid. What horse would last 27 years in racing?
I know
, just that I couldn't even bring myself to make that kinda figure of speech with the way I feel.Tommy Doc and Big Ron actually won something. Docherty's teams played great football as well. We get nothing from Moyes.
He's not been used much in 2014 despite being fit and RVP having injury issues. He got a run of games in December, scored 6 and got 2 assists in 6 games, then was barely used since. When he does have a decent game, he gets dropped. Meanwhile Rooneys had a mediocre 2014 and is on 300k a week. I'd be fecked off too if I was Welbeck. He's 23 and needs to be playing football.
I would take either the Doc or Big Ron back as manager right now. Both charismatic as feck and played exciting stuff.
Exactly, we have no expectations at all. The next game is on TV as well. Our pain is being broadcast all over the world.
I doubt either of them would ever have been silly enough to hire David Moyes.
I know
What hurts more is that we can't do anything about it. It is like living in an "opposite" world. Good is bad and bad is good.
That's good, he'll hopefully be the manager of your club soon too.
My own opinion on him hasn't changed that much, we shouldn't be blaming just the manager or just the players or just the board etc...
The board should not have given Fergie so much say in the decision to appoint Moyes, a proper interview process should have taken the place.
The board should have also been competent enough to sort out a few transfers before Moyes officially took over in July. The main differences between this season and last season are:
Whilst some of his decisions have been very poor:
The board should not have given Fergie so much say in the decision to appoint Moyes, a proper interview process should have taken the place.
The board should have also been competent enough to sort out a few transfers before Moyes officially took over in July. The main differences between this season and last season are:
- Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra are all a year older and you can see this in the way they play.
- Our midfield with the exception of Carrick (who isn't world class) aren't good enough. Fletcher is decent enough but should only be used to help see games out.
- No Van Persie for a large majority who won us God knows how many points last season
Whilst some of his decisions have been very poor:
- Getting rid of the coaching staff
- Spending 27.5 million on Fellaini
- Being too over reliant on Rooney in his formations and not getting the most of Mata and Kagawa.
Perhaps Welbeck wants to play as a striker more often, and for a competent manager, instead of on the wings because he puts in a good defensive shift.
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