Moyes So Far!

[Tibs]

I've seen enough in Moyes to suggest he can arrest the slide and get us competitive again. He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).

Fergie ignored it for years, yes, whilst taking us to 2-3 titles with a non-existent midfield, shows how much of the dogs bollocks he was.

I also agree it's a great sign Moyes saw midfield as an area of concern and that he signed Fellaini to help with that for 27m

 

[Buchan]

He's got more of a clue than you, irrespective of geography.

Only because it suits your narrative.

I remember a similar reaction to the 'Decline of Barcelona' thread, the 'Wigan/Martinez' thread etc. last season. Posters here can ridicule and abuse others without censure here if they don't agree on their rhetoric. This has been rampant in practically every Moyes thread this season, too.

Patronising and condescending remarks ("terrible post", "haven't a clue" etc.) are the norm here for having the audacity to support and believe in our manager.

Crazy, eh?

 

[Tibs]

Yes Fergie ignored cos he somehow made the others make up for it. But he knows what areas we need to improve? Every person in the world knows what area of the team we need to improve. I hardly think thats a reason for him to stay after the way he's performed this season.

Everyone but Fergie

 

[SirFergie]

He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).

He apparently knows what area we need to improve yet buys Fellaini who is not good enough and never will be for an extorninate price. Fine management.

 

[Cal?]

That wasn't Moyes. The Caf' was rife with apprehension about several of our first-teamers the past few seasons. Many players were lambasted weekly about not being good enough (particularly our midfielders).

The greatest myth being perpetuated nowadays is the idea that our squad was superb and capable of winning every honour for the foreseeable future. Crazy how history gets rewritten.

“It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one.”

Guess who said that? Are you calling Sir Alex a liar?

Like I've said, defend Moyes all you like, but don't insult Sir Alex.

 

[Tomalonge]

I never said that. See that's the 'absolutist' mindset of the anti-Moyes brigade rearing its ugly head again. I can (and do) support Moyes but I can also admit this season has been a major disappointment.

I don't know where this myth started that those of us who back Moyes are quite content in 7th place. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This!

This! This! This! This! fecking this!

 

[Danny1982]

I never said that. See that's the 'absolutist' mindset of the anti-Moyes brigade rearing its ugly head again. I can (and do) support Moyes but I can also admit this season has been a major disappointment.

I don't know where this myth started that those of us who back Moyes are quite content in 7th place. Nothing could be further from the truth.

First, when you say:

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had.

And then go on to try and prove that they wouldn't have been superior choices compared to him, then you are implying that they will do as bad as him at least.

And second, I'm giving you zero credit for "admitting that this season has been a major disappointment", because there is nothing to "admit" about it. It's a fact.. It's like saying: "Hey I didn't say we didn't lose to City twice this season. I'll admit it, we did lose to City twice, but we played well!".

 

[Sarni]

Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.

The squad Mourinho inherited at Chelsea wasn't better than the squad Moyes has got and he hasn't spent more than him either.

 

[Feed Me]

Only because it suits your narrative.

I remember a similar reaction to the 'Decline of Barcelona' thread, the 'Wigan/Martinez' thread etc. last season. Posters here can ridicule and abuse others without censure here if they don't agree on their rhetoric. This has been rampant in practically every Moyes thread this season, too.

Patronising and condescending remarks ("terrible post", "haven't a clue" etc.) are the norm here for having the audacity to support and believe in our manager.

Crazy, eh?

Thing is, people with an agenda against Moyes (namely that he has us 7th, playing terrible football) have a shed load of ammunition to back up their view. You stand defending him, yet don't offer any justifications. What have you seen in this car crash of a season that makes you confident he'll turn it around?

By the way, I find it quite instructive that you frame a turn around next season as getting back into the top four. That's how far he's dragged us down. But anyway, I digress. Please give me one argument as to why Moyes deserves our faith...

 

[Buchan]

Fergie ignored it for years, yes, whilst taking us to 2-3 titles with a non-existent midfield, shows how much of the dogs bollocks he was.

Ferguson was the best manager EVER. He performed many footballing miracles whilst here. He also had the benefit of ruling the dressing-room with an iron fist, which comes with being manager for 26 years. Players like Cleverley, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, etc. were hugely loyal to him and thus, he eked a few percent extra out of them every week.

Moyes has only been in a wet week so to demand that much authority and respect in the dressing-room is going to take time. Ferguson wasn't a popular manager amongst the players when he took over either and he culled the the bad influences/drinkers/non-believers, signed his own players, moulded his team and the rest is history.

I'm not saying Moyes is going to dominant English football for decades like Ferguson, but we should afford him a chance to mould his ideas onto his team/players first before calling him a total failure.

 

[Sarni]

And there is a fairly big ground between winning trophies playing exciting football and finishing where Moyes will finish playing dour brand of football - and if he managed to fall somewhere in there, finishing top 4 comfortably while playing decent football, I don't think anyone would want him sacked because pretty much everyone knows the squad has had issues preventing it from being the best in Europe or thereabouts for a while.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Thing is, people with an agenda against Moyes (namely that he has us 7th, playing terrible football) have a shed load of ammunition to back up their view. You stand defending him, yet don't offer any justifications. What have you seen in this car crash of a season that makes you confident he'll turn it around?

By the way, I find it quite instructive that you frame a turn around next season as getting back into the top four. That's how far he's dragged us down. But anyway, I digress. Please give me one argument as to why Moyes deserves our faith...

I couldn't agree more. I expected Moyes to finish in top 4 being his first season but next season I fully expect us to win the league and the lowest possible I would expect is 2nd. We are the best club in England, we're not Arsenal who Gazidis himself said top 4 is like a trophy and we made fun of them!

Now if he goes into next season without making any impact signings and starts making the same excuses again, I don't think he would make it past December unless our board feels comfortable about this position we're in.

 

[Tomalonge]

Angry circle jerk.

It's a bunch of spoilt tarts trying to prove who hates Moyes more/hated him first.

You're pathetic.

 

[Feed Me]

Angry circle jerk.

It's a bunch of spoilt tarts trying to prove who hates Moyes more/hated him first.

You're pathetic.

Nonsense. You're adding nothing with rubbish comments like this.

We're having a dreadful season and this thread is about our manager - the debate is very relevant.

 

[Tomalonge]

Nonsense. You're adding nothing with rubbish comments like this.

We're having a dreadful season and this thread is about our manager - the debate is very relevant.

It is pathetic though.

I posted yesterday to say he still had my support and ten pages have been added to the thread since.

Nothing has happened in between this, we haven't played in over a week. Just FYI. It IS pathetic.

 

[Sarni]

Ferguson was the best manager EVER. He performed many footballing miracles whilst here. He also had the benefit of ruling the dressing-room with an iron fist, which comes with being manager for 26 years. Players like Cleverley, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, etc. were hugely loyal to him and thus, he eked a few percent extra out of them every week.

Moyes has only been in a wet week so to demand that much authority and respect in the dressing-room is going to take time. Ferguson wasn't a popular manager amongst the players when he took over either and he culled the the bad influences/drinkers/non-believers, signed his own players, moulded his team and the rest is history.

I'm not saying Moyes is going to dominant English football for decades like Ferguson, but we should afford him a chance to mould his ideas onto his team/players first before calling him a total failure.

But we cannot possibly operate like that. What if we give him £200m to mould the team and get them to fulfil his ideas and they don't work? Should we do rinse and repeat with someone else at helm? He needed to earn it and he's failed badly in the past 11 months while trying. We don't operate on a £1bn budget to hire managers, let them rebuild the squad completely and then try again.

 

[LR7]

Thing is, people with an agenda against Moyes (namely that he has us 7th, playing terrible football) have a shed load of ammunition to back up their view. You stand defending him, yet don't offer any justifications. What have you seen in this car crash of a season that makes you confident he'll turn it around?

By the way, I find it quite instructive that you frame a turn around next season as getting back into the top four. That's how far he's dragged us down. But anyway, I digress. Please give me one argument as to why Moyes deserves our faith...

And what gets me is his audacity to criticise Mourinho and Pellegrini and defend Moyes to the hilt. It's beyond comedic.

 

[Tomalonge]

Unless you think you're the first to notice that were having a bad season?

 

[bobbyf]

Of course. A league title tilt isn't out of the question either, mind. Look at the strides Liverpool have made this season.

Look at the Secret Footballer column re: Moyes and United a few months back. It was well accepted in the professional game that United's squad was playing to absolute potential last season whereas City and Chelsea seriously underachieved. The 11-point title win had skewed many United fans' expectations for this season (admittedly, mine too back in the summer) as there's no way we were that much better than the rest last season.

So, again, to reiterate my point: we should be in the Top 4 now at least and 7th is unacceptable, however, I've seen enough in Moyes to suggest he can arrest the slide and get us competitive again. He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).

Oh please, what rubbish. Just because Liverpool have improved, doesn't mean we will under a totally inept manager. Takes a lot more than it being possible. Maybe its cos Rodgers knows how to manage them and play to their strengths, which is the complete opposite of Moyes.

So based on that, haven't City and Chelsea underachieved again this season? Or is this their real level? Since they've let last season's 7th place team overtake them even after major investment. And no excuses about transition, cos they both have top managers. Just because we had no serious challenge last season, doesn't mean we could have been better if really pushed. People keep trying to find excuses for failure this season and excuses for our success in previous years. It's ridiculous.

Not much better than the rest? What about most points, most goals scored and most wins? And please tell us, what have you seen in Moyes that the rest of us have not? He lacks all the qualities to manage a top club. He cannot inspire and motivate our players to get the best out of them, is inflexible and indecisive at crucial times, and cannot get wins and points when we really need them. He knows which areas we need to strengthen? The whole world knew that before he even got the job.

Accepted in the professional game, by who? Funny that Martinez said Moyes has a better group of players this season (than SAF had last year), but he is still behind Everton. And you want him to continue managing us??? Skewed expectations, how so? It was widely accepted by fans there would be a drop off in form whoever managed us, but not by this much. You just don't understand the capabilities of our squad and we'll only find that out under decent management.

 

[Tomalonge]

And what gets me is his audacity to criticise Mourinho and Pellegrini and defend Moyes to the hilt. It's beyond comedic.

U wot m8?

 

[LR7]

U wot m8?

I wasn't talking to or about you.

 

[LonelyFire]

Thing is, people with an agenda against Moyes (namely that he has us 7th, playing terrible football) have a shed load of ammunition to back up their view. You stand defending him, yet don't offer any justifications. What have you seen in this car crash of a season that makes you confident he'll turn it around?

By the way, I find it quite instructive that you frame a turn around next season as getting back into the top four. That's how far he's dragged us down. But anyway, I digress. Please give me one argument as to why Moyes deserves our faith...

Spot on. fecking incredible how he's achieved that. How anyone thinks making top 4 will be success next year is beyond me.

 

[Tomalonge]

I wasn't talking to or about you.

That'd be why it didn't make sense then.

Apologies, carry on.

 

[Danny1982]

And what gets me is his audacity to criticise Mourinho and Pellegrini and defend Moyes to the hilt. It's beyond comedic.

What I love more is the fact that he considers belittling Mourinho and Klopp as "supporting and believing in our manager".

 

[Sarni]

And 11 months is plenty of time to implement your ideas. I would actually argue that Moyes has implemented his here given the change of style and especially the change in results.

 

[Silent_Running]

Anyone not waiting at least 2 years (I think 3 is fairer) before judging Moyes is simply being impatient.

 

[Feed Me]

It is pathetic though.

I posted yesterday to say he still had my support and ten pages have been added to the thread since.

Nothing has happened in between this, we haven't played in over a week. Just FYI. It IS pathetic.

We haven't had a fixture, so people are finding something to talk about. Just stay off the forum when we don't have a game, if it irritates you so much.

 

[Tomalonge]

Anyone not waiting at least 2 years (I think 3 is fairer) before judging Moyes is simply being impatient.

He's got until December for me. If thing aren't starting to pick up I wouldn't be disappointed if the club looked elsewhere.

 

[Sarni]

Anyone not waiting at least 2 years (I think 3 is fairer) before judging Moyes is simply being impatient.

Say he fails miserably and we are 8th next season and 7th the season after, in the meantime he chops and changes half of the squad. What happens then? We hire a new manager and give him 3 years to change everything again?

This is what's wrong about the whole situation. We're a big club, we cannot experiment, we cannot have projects, we need to have the best manager possible doing the best job possible.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

New here, so I will throw in my opinion on Moyes.

The reason we are in 7th, is because of that man. At the beginning of the season, I expected 3rd if I am totally honest. New man coming in etc, and I believe our squad wasn't as good as the 1st place we showed the season before, but anyhow, we still had a good squad.

Moyes has brought nothing but negativity to the team. The way we play is so negative. His press conferences are negative and most importantly, our results are negative.
As I said in the newbie section yesterday, two teams who have had poor seasons are Tottenham and United, and they are both teams who play to avoid defeat.

Then look at Pochetino and Martinez. They clearly have inferior players to ours, but they play positive, expressive football, and it has them higher in the league than people would have expected.
Brendan Rodgers is the same. I don't think he has the best starting 11, but he plays in such a way that it suits the players, and its a positive style of play

I really don't believe that if Klopp of Pep came in, things would be the same. In the last two seasons, we have equaled the league, and won the league. To go from first to seventh is not down to the players

 

[LR7]

What I love more is the fact that he considers belittling Mourinho and Klopp as "supporting and believing in our manager".

Apologies for quoting from another thread but this is delusion:

Moyes is more advanced and clued-in in terms of tactical awareness than Pellegrini is. Ask any City and they'll tell you: he only plays the same way every week, no matter the opposition. It's amateur hour over there this season.

Moyes, for all his disappointments, has at least changed it up with us and has looked some but tactically aware: 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1... at least he's being progressive.

"It's amateur hour over there" is a seriously deluded comment because even if they had only played one formation, which they haven't, they've had more success with it that our chopping and changing to no effect.

Moyes is so tactically advanced that City have beaten us by three goals twice this season with that amateur at the helm.

Pellegrini might not be the best manager in the world but he's doing far better than Moyes this season. To criticise him and imply Moyes is the better tactician is stupid given that the only big team we have beaten this season is Arsenal (who coincidently roll over for us every season).

 

[LR7]

New here, so I will throw in my opinion on Moyes.

The reason we are in 7th, is because of that man. At the beginning of the season, I expected 3rd if I am totally honest. New man coming in etc, and I believe our squad wasn't as good as the 1st place we showed the season before, but anyhow, we still had a good squad.

Moyes has brought nothing but negativity to the team. The way we play is so negative. His press conferences are negative and most importantly, our results are negative.
As I said in the newbie section yesterday, two teams who have had poor seasons are Tottenham and United, and they are both teams who play to avoid defeat.

Then look at Pochetino and Martinez. They clearly have inferior players to ours, but they play positive, expressive football, and it has them higher in the league than people would have expected.
Brendan Rodgers is the same. I don't think he has the best starting 11, but he plays in such a way that it suits the players, and its a positive style of play

I really don't believe that if Klopp of Pep came in, things would be the same. In the last two seasons, we have equaled the league, and won the league. To go from first to seventh is not down to the players

Welcome up. You'll fit in well here.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It is pathetic though.

I posted yesterday to say he still had my support and ten pages have been added to the thread since.

Nothing has happened in between this, we haven't played in over a week. Just FYI. It IS pathetic.

I think it has now become moaning for the sake of it. It has become an addiction. Maybe we are all turning into dour Scots.

 

[DWelbz19]

Are people seriously suggesting that Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho would've done as bad as Moyes has? Feck sake, man.

 

[bobbyf]

Are people seriously suggesting that Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho would've done as bad as Moyes has? Feck sake, man.

Yes, they are.

 

[Buchan]

What have you seen in this car crash of a season that makes you confident he'll turn it around?

• He's identified key areas of the pitch where we need to improve (he did this very early on with bids for midfielders and left-backs)
• He's shown no romanticism in addressing these problems (benched Ferdinand despite the leaks/how popular he is among the players. He also was willing to flog Evra and get his own left-back in. Evra, again, a popular man among the players and not forgetting Anderson, a likeable lad but obviously here a year or two past his welcome. Ferguson commanded the late '80s United dressing-room by bombing out the bad influences/non-performers despite their popularity and never looked back)
• He has total belief in doing things his way, e.g. the entire back-room staff is his own. De Gea has improved markedly as an all-round 'keeper under Woods, for example. That mental strength will stand him (and us) in good stead
• He won't stand for unprofessionalism. Moyes reportedly fined players for being seen partying in town immediately after our loss to Bayern (People will claim he overreacted - could you imagine if it was Moyes who was pictured drunk and partying in town hours after the game...)
• He is tactically adaptable. He's shown an awareness of various formations and utilises them quite well (I can't think of too many occasions where our tactics/formation were wrong as opposed to us simply not performing. City fans are horrified at Pellegrini's one-dimensionally by comparison)
• His trust in youth. Januzaj has been used very sensibly and to good effect. Wilson has been name-checked by Moyes as possibly appearing before the end of the season and Moyes has also attended games to watch our loan players. This, no doubt, is a great confidence boost for them
• Moyes personally scouts his transfer targets. Others may disagree but I like this about him.
• He's a tremendously hard-working. It's well-known how much of a obsessive he is and how serious he takes his job. Ferguson firmly believed in being the first man in in the morning and last man to leave. Moyes' work ethic and approach is cut from the same cloth. Having that 'omnipresent' reputation will help him forge that 'ruler' tag Ferguson used to his advantage so well
• He learns as he goes along. Many expected Moyes to struggle in Europe but that's where we've had our best performances. The league, a domain where Moyes has excelled for ten years already, should be our bread and butter so I (many will say naively) think this season will be an anomaly.
• Our away form has been very impressive. Everton's away form was always the weaker aspect of their season which flies in the face of everyone who has said Moyes has 'Evertonised' United. Moyes' Everton were very strong at home - as have United been - so it's a surprise we've been so lethargic at home. Again, I see this anomalous and we'll address this next season
• Our defence, despite it being decimated with injuries and having to rely on players well past their peak, has looked pretty decent all things considering. We've kept quite a few clean sheets away from home lately and that organisation should be the bedrock of future successes
• Our front play has looked fluid in recent weeks. Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Rooney etc. are exciting talents and there's huge potential in that front four. I believe Moyes will ultimately see the promise in this quartet and form a system around them (he's shown signs of this already)

Again, not an exhaustive list nor one I've out too much time and effort into compiling, but those are just a few aspects of Moyes' reign which have impressed me/I see some potential in.

Comparisons to Ferguson's United are inevitable and I do see some semblance of Ferguson's ethos in Moyes, especially in how they both approached their reigns early on. It's not easy to put your stamp on a team/club let alone follow the greatest of them all. I trust Moyes to do it his way and I believe he'll have us competitive once again.

 

[bobbyf]

That wasn't Moyes. The Caf' was rife with apprehension about several of our first-teamers the past few seasons. Many players were lambasted weekly about not being good enough (particularly our midfielders).

The greatest myth being perpetuated nowadays is the idea that our squad was superb and capable of winning every honour for the foreseeable future. Crazy how history gets rewritten.

And where is your evidence of that? Another myth is to assume just because people think that our squad are not sh*t, then they must think it is superb. Nobody ever said they were or disagreed that we needed strengthening in certain vital areas. You know, a healthy dose of realism.

 

[Danny1982]

Apologies for quoting from another thread but this is delusion:



"It's amateur hour over there" is a seriously deluded comment because even if they had only played one formation, which they haven't, they've had more success with it that our chopping and changing to no effect.

Moyes is so tactically advanced that City have beaten us by three goals twice this season with that amateur at the helm.

Pellegrini might not be the best manager in the world but he's doing far better than Moyes this season. To criticise him and imply Moyes is the better tactician is stupid given that the only big team we have beaten this season is Arsenal (who coincidently roll over for us every season).

It looks like the best way to make Moyes look good has now become by trying to prove that everybody else is just as bad as him, or even worse.

 

[Buchan]

Are people seriously suggesting that Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho would've done as bad as Moyes has? Feck sake, man.

Who the fück said that?!

I said it wasn't a given that any of those would have us winning the league this season. I never said they'd have us 7th in the fücking league!

They are some gobshites on this site.

 

[Cheesy]

Are people seriously suggesting that Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho would've done as bad as Moyes has? Feck sake, man.

It's more the argument of "well, they might have done as bad", as if to say we can't judge what they'd had have been like compared to Moyes because they haven't been here, which is just as bad if not worse.

It's like people saying we shouldn't sign Messi or Ronaldo if the chance came up because there's no guarantee they'd be better than Young and Valencia, when it's all but certain they would be.

 

[Stack]

• He's identified key areas of the pitch where we need to improve (he did this very early on with bids for midfielders and left-backs)
• He's shown no romanticism in addressing these problems (benched Ferdinand despite the leaks/how popular he is among the players. He also was willing to flog Evra and get his own left-back in. Evra, again, a popular man among the players and not forgetting Anderson, a likeable lad but obviously here a year or two past his welcome. Ferguson commanded the late '80s United dressing-room by bombing out the bad influences/non-performers despite their popularity and never looked back)
• He has total belief in doing things his way, e.g. the entire back-room staff is his own. De Gea has improved markedly as an all-round 'keeper under Woods, for example. That mental strength will stand him (and us) in good stead
• He won't stand for unprofessionalism. Moyes reportedly fined players for being seen partying in town immediately after our loss to Bayern (People will claim he overreacted - could you imagine if it was Moyes who was pictured drunk and partying in town hours after the game...)
• He is tactically adaptable. He's shown an awareness of various formations and utilises them quite well (I can't think of too many occasions where our tactics/formation were wrong as opposed to us simply not performing. City fans are horrified at Pellegrini's one-dimensionally by comparison)
• His trust in youth. Januzaj has been used very sensibly and to good effect. Wilson has been name-checked by Moyes as possibly appearing before the end of the season and Moyes has also attended games to watch our loan players. This, no doubt, is a great confidence boost for them
• Moyes personally scouts his transfer targets. Others may disagree but I like this about him.
• He's a tremendously hard-working. It's well-known how much of a obsessive he is and how serious he takes his job. Ferguson firmly believed in being the first man in in the morning and last man to leave. Moyes' work ethic and approach is cut from the same cloth. Having that 'omnipresent' reputation will help him forge that 'ruler' tag Ferguson used to his advantage so well
• He learns as he goes along. Many expected Moyes to struggle in Europe but that's where we've had our best performances. The league, a domain where Moyes has excelled for ten years already, should be our bread and butter so I (many will say naively) think this season will be an anomaly.
• Our away form has been very impressive. Everton's away form was always the weaker aspect of their season which flies in the face of everyone who has said Moyes has 'Evertonised' United. Moyes' Everton were very strong at home - as have United been - so it's a surprise we've been so lethargic at home. Again, I see this anomalous and we'll address this next season
• Our defence, despite it being decimated with injuries and having to rely on players well past their peak, has looked pretty decent all things considering. We've kept quite a few clean sheets away from home lately and that organisation should be the bedrock of future successes
• Our front play has looked fluid in recent weeks. Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Rooney etc. are exciting talents and there's huge potential in that front four. I believe Moyes will ultimately see the promise in this quartet and form a system around them (he's shown signs of this already)

Again, not an exhaustive list nor one I've out too much time and effort into compiling, but those are just a few aspects of Moyes' reign which have impressed me/I see some potential in.

Comparisons to Ferguson's United are inevitable and I do see some semblance of Ferguson's ethos in Moyes, especially in how they both approached their reigns early on. It's not easy to put your stamp on a team/club let alone follow the greatest of them all. I trust Moyes to do it his way and I believe he'll have us competitive once again.

I admire your bravery for this and your optimism.
I just dont think Moyes can turn it around, I dont think he is the right man for the job but the weird thing is that I hope you end up being correct. I like stories of triumph over adversity and with respect to Moyes if he were to prove me wrong about him I would actually like it. Sadly I just cant see it.
Good list of points you have made, some of us will disagree with many of them but nicely put together.