Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Look at Mourinho, takes over at Chelsea who finished miles behind United, have an even more imbalanced squad, spent less than Moyes has, and has them in with a chance of the title with a few games to go and a CL SF to look forward to...nahealai said:If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Do you think Mourinho, Klopp, or Pep, or any top manager would have us in 7th? Seriously
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Why is Fellaini getting so much stick? I've noticed that it has increased dramatically lately. He has been good since he returned from injury and will only get better. He's a very good midfielder who shows it every time he plays for his national team. He'll show it again in the World Cup, no doubt.
This place is weird.
Ironically the pressure is probably on Moyes and his coaching staff, the review will happen at the end of the season and should they finish 7th then I'm not sure how it is possible on planet earth to keep their job.
I mean, 7th is really bad. 5th is bad, but 7th is really bad.
Apparently Mourinho is shit now.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?Apparently Mourinho is shit now.
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
You've actually become a parody of yourself and what you're doing is the exact opposite of the Moyes Out posters. It's equally as deluded just on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I go to games and the fans at OT are hardly happy there either, even if it isn't as negative as on forums. And why should it be? These are the places fans come to voice their opinions. You go to games to get behind and support the team. Fans at games and fans on the internet aren't mutually exclusive. There is some crossover, and as Andy admitted has suggested in several of his latest articles, even amongst the hardcore fans, discontent is definitelyspreading.
As for Mourinho's pragmatic football, if you are pragmatic and win games (including big games) criticism will be minimal, if you're pragmatic and lose games like we have been under Moyes you will be called out for it. If Chelsea's league position is inflated as they play pragmatic football we can't have a very high ceiling under Moyes because his football is even less expansive.
Convincing yourselves that top managers would be doing as poorly as Moyes is serious delusion. You'd be laughing at him had City hired him since you seem to think its "amateur hour over there" despite the fact that they've won a cup (one cup more than Moyes has ever won) play far better football than us, and are still in the title race (whether they'll win it or not). Your criticism of Mourinho and Pellegrini is highly hypocritical given the uncomfortable lengths you will go to to defend Moyes' ineptitude.
Your criticism of Mourinho and Pellegrini is highly hypocritical given the uncomfortable lengths you will go to to defend Moyes' ineptitude.
A terrible and heavily-loaded-with-bias post if there ever was one.Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.
I never said that. See that's the 'absolutist' mindset of the anti-Moyes brigade rearing its ugly head again. I can (and do) support Moyes but I can also admit this season has been a major disappointment.
I don't know where this myth started that those of us who back Moyes are quite content in 7th place. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. The greatest trick Moyes ever pulled was convinving the world we have a shit squad.
A terrible and heavily-loaded-with-bias post if there ever was one.
That wasn't Moyes. The Caf' was rife with apprehension about several of our first-teamers the past few seasons. Many players were lambasted weekly about not being good enough (particularly our midfielders).
The greatest myth being perpetuated nowadays is the idea that our squad was superb and capable of winning every honour for the foreseeable future. Crazy how history gets rewritten.
Cheers, amol. Everyone clamours for your seal of approval here in Manchester. Nice one.
So let me ask, do you honestly think Moyes can take United to a top 4 finish next season, in a financially sustainable manner?
By all accounts and reports (yes they could all be bullshit), we're being linked with players who are going to cost some serious money, and be on some hardcore wages similar to Moyes' hero, Wayne
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
So let me ask, do you honestly think Moyes can take United to a top 4 finish next season, in a financially sustainable manner?
The question should be did Chelsea have a better squad in July? And why do they have a better squad in Sep? Did Mourinho go on a spending frenzy? [hint: Moyes has spent more than him]Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.
Of course. A league title tilt isn't out of the question either, mind. Look at the strides Liverpool have made this season.
Look at the Secret Footballer column re: Moyes and United a few months back. It was well accepted in the professional game that United's squad was playing to absolute potential last season whereas City and Chelsea seriously underachieved. The 11-point title win had skewed many United fans' expectations for this season (admittedly, mine too back in the summer) as there's no way we were that much better than the rest last season.
So, again, to reiterate my point: we should be in the Top 4 now at least and 7th is unacceptable, however, I've seen enough in Moyes to suggest he can arrest the slide and get us competitive again. He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).