Moyes So Far!

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Do you think Mourinho, Klopp, or Pep, or any top manager would have us in 7th? Seriously
 
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

I think the thing about the Moyes fans which I find hardest to understand is the sheer arrogance
 
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If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Look at Mourinho, takes over at Chelsea who finished miles behind United, have an even more imbalanced squad, spent less than Moyes has, and has them in with a chance of the title with a few games to go and a CL SF to look forward to...

Compare that to the great work Moyes has done at United. :wenger:
 
Shocking comments by Phil. Never expected something like that from him, very telling too of our mentality at the moment.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.

I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

This is a place to discuss what's happening, of course in the stadium we're better off supporting the team and I'd hate to see booing or people abusing the man.

However, the fact remains that he's not performed well as manager this year. Some of the comments are over the top but as you said, this is the internet - it's too be expected. The majority of people are simply giving their opinion.

I also disagree with your points re Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho. How do you know they would have struggled as badly as Moyes? The answer is that you don't know; and you are actually more than likely wrong. None of those managers would have signed Fellaini for starters and they all have a proven track record with top clubs, which, believe it or not, we are.

I appreciate all of Moyes' good traits like the ones you mentioned and I am actually curious as to what players he would sign based on his reputation as a obsessive scouter. However, his negative traits far outweigh the positives from what I've seen so far.
 
Do you think Mourinho, Klopp, or Pep, or any top manager would have us in 7th? Seriously

I never said that. See that's the 'absolutist' mindset of the anti-Moyes brigade rearing its ugly head again. I can (and do) support Moyes but I can also admit this season has been a major disappointment.

I don't know where this myth started that those of us who back Moyes are quite content in 7th place. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.

I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

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Christ, you're giving Moyes an awful lot of latitude. Issues with the squad or not, to have the club sitting in 7th is a disgrace. Moyes has been an unmitigated disaster.
 
Ironically the pressure is probably on Moyes and his coaching staff, the review will happen at the end of the season and should they finish 7th then I'm not sure how it is possible on planet earth to keep their job.

I mean, 7th is really bad. 5th is bad, but 7th is really bad.
 
Why is Fellaini getting so much stick? I've noticed that it has increased dramatically lately. He has been good since he returned from injury and will only get better. He's a very good midfielder who shows it every time he plays for his national team. He'll show it again in the World Cup, no doubt.

This place is weird.
 
Why is Fellaini getting so much stick? I've noticed that it has increased dramatically lately. He has been good since he returned from injury and will only get better. He's a very good midfielder who shows it every time he plays for his national team. He'll show it again in the World Cup, no doubt.

This place is weird.

I actually think Fellaini is decent, but he's worth nowhere near what we paid for him and is not what we needed. If you're of the opinion that anyone who gives Fellaini stick is weird then you must have a fairly dim view of pretty much everybody.
 
Ironically the pressure is probably on Moyes and his coaching staff, the review will happen at the end of the season and should they finish 7th then I'm not sure how it is possible on planet earth to keep their job.

I mean, 7th is really bad. 5th is bad, but 7th is really bad.

People seem to value longevity and stability, even if it means having a totally ill-suited manager in place. We have already been more patient that any other club has been. To have the club in 7th position is terrible. No one expected Moyes to continue Ferguson's standards straight away, no one was even demanding trophies, but top four was the absolute minimum (not unreasonable) and he's completely ballsed up.

Hopefully, the humiliation of Liverpool winning the league will be enough for the club's decision makers to see sense.
 
It's pretty crazy, the more I read about Moyes the more I start to think he is the wrong man for the job. We're the wrong club for him, as is he the wrong man for us.
 
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

You know, I was agreeing with your post up until that point.

There are several key players coming to the end of their playing, or at least their fulltime role in the first team. Though I'd also say we had the chance to import some new blood last summer. I'd also agree that if you bring in a *********** manager, like a Guardiola or a Klopp, they might also have to adapt to the players as well as the other way round.

But then came your reaction to posters who don't think Moyes can turn it round, and who don't believe commitment or being a workaholic means he's more likely to succeed than not.

The only people I talk to on the internet about United are basically other United fans. I don't care what my City fan cousins say on their Facebook page or scouser ex-colleagues say on twitter - they didn't rate us when they were winning either. They can have their fun.

The people I talk to in real life about us are either other United fans or they're more fascinated by the process that's happening in the club, than anything else.

People are trying to understand it. United are a very quiet club, historically not much gets out from the squad or the staff. As such we hang on scraps on information from his ex-players, his ex-colleagues, even his ex-psychologist and we try and build a picture of the man comparing it to SAF, but also to managers who have failed in football, or even those in our own workplaces.

A lot of us have worked with people like that. People who've been put in jobs that no matter how hard they work, they won't do well at. Is Moyes another one, or can he get better? We don't know for sure, but don't assume people who can't see it, are reacting that way because they're embarrassed by Facebook idiots. Maybe they just don't like what they see on the pitch.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.

I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

Halfway through the season you somehow thought this team was good enough to win the league or at least compete for it, what has changed for you other than the rising need to find problems within the team to defend Moyes due to him failing unbelievably?

Our defence was already dodgy last year. Carrick is 32 and van Persie is 30, their drop in form isn't simply due to age. I know David has made you believe that this team is somehow crap because you either love the man or it makes you a better fan if you slate all the players and support the manager but truth is somewhere in between - the team could be better but the manager hasn't got anything near the best out of it.

As for Klopp, I think you'd be surprised how much he can squeeze out of players. He's basically improved all Dortmund players significantly. Piszczek was a terrible forward when he signed him from Hertha. This is what the manager is there for, to get the best out of and improve players.
 
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?

Yeah, this is his first ever season in management. He's done nothing before...

Did Ferguson and United not blow an 8 point gap or something a few years ago? Would you have said Fergie isn't a champion?
 
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?

There's a difference between being second in the PL and in the semi final of the CL, and being 7th in the PL, out of the CL. For top clubs, both scenarios are failures, but there's a clear difference. Mourinho, a winner, has completely different standards to Moyes, and that's reflected in the current positions of Chelsea and United.

No one is saying Moyes needed to win things this season, he just needed not to turn us into a joke.
 
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. The greatest trick Moyes ever pulled was convinving the world we have a shit squad.
 
Bottling the league against bottom table opposition. What does that make him? A champion?

What is dropping big leads and losing championships? Fergie did that at least three times. Sometimes things don't work out, it happens to everyone. It's about winning more than you lose - which both Fergie and Mourinho did. That's why they are huge managers.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.

I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.


You've actually become a parody of yourself and what you're doing is the exact opposite of the Moyes Out posters. It's equally as deluded just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

I go to games and the fans at OT are hardly happy there either, even if it isn't as negative as on forums. And why should it be? These are the places fans come to voice their opinions. You go to games to get behind and support the team. Fans at games and fans on the internet aren't mutually exclusive. There is some crossover, and as Andy Mitten has suggested in several of his latest articles, even amongst the hardcore fans, discontent is definitely spreading.

As for Mourinho's pragmatic football, if you are pragmatic and win games (including big games) criticism will be minimal, if you're pragmatic and lose games like we have been under Moyes you will be called out for it. If Chelsea's league position is inflated as they play pragmatic football we can't have a very high ceiling under Moyes because his football is even less expansive.

Convincing yourselves that top managers would be doing as poorly as Moyes is serious delusion. You'd be laughing at him had City hired him since you seem to think its "amateur hour over there" despite the fact that they've won a cup (one cup more than Moyes has ever won) play far better football than us, and are still in the title race (whether they'll win it or not). Your criticism of Mourinho and Pellegrini is highly hypocritical given the uncomfortable lengths you will go to to defend Moyes' ineptitude.
 
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You might think we've seen the worst of Moyes but I fear that there's more to see which will make this season look like a dream. First he goes on and on about every top player he talked to wanting to join Manchester United and Ed Woodward coming out and saying we will spend big if we miss out on top 4 and the transfer window hasn't even opened and the manager is already questioning our chances of signings the players we need. You can't accomplish anything positive if you go into it with all this negativity. We needed a winner here, something which Moyes isn't and may never be. By the time we wake up from this nightmare, Liverpool may have already overtaken us in the number of league titles which is an idea I can't stomach.
 
You've actually become a parody of yourself and what you're doing is the exact opposite of the Moyes Out posters. It's equally as deluded just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

I go to games and the fans at OT are hardly happy there either, even if it isn't as negative as on forums. And why should it be? These are the places fans come to voice their opinions. You go to games to get behind and support the team. Fans at games and fans on the internet aren't mutually exclusive. There is some crossover, and as Andy admitted has suggested in several of his latest articles, even amongst the hardcore fans, discontent is definitelyspreading.

As for Mourinho's pragmatic football, if you are pragmatic and win games (including big games) criticism will be minimal, if you're pragmatic and lose games like we have been under Moyes you will be called out for it. If Chelsea's league position is inflated as they play pragmatic football we can't have a very high ceiling under Moyes because his football is even less expansive.

Convincing yourselves that top managers would be doing as poorly as Moyes is serious delusion. You'd be laughing at him had City hired him since you seem to think its "amateur hour over there" despite the fact that they've won a cup (one cup more than Moyes has ever won) play far better football than us, and are still in the title race (whether they'll win it or not). Your criticism of Mourinho and Pellegrini is highly hypocritical given the uncomfortable lengths you will go to to defend Moyes' ineptitude.

Amen.
 
Your criticism of Mourinho and Pellegrini is highly hypocritical given the uncomfortable lengths you will go to to defend Moyes' ineptitude.

Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.


I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
A terrible and heavily-loaded-with-bias post if there ever was one.
 
Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.

:lol: poor unlucky Moysie.
 
I never said that. See that's the 'absolutist' mindset of the anti-Moyes brigade rearing its ugly head again. I can (and do) support Moyes but I can also admit this season has been a major disappointment.

I don't know where this myth started that those of us who back Moyes are quite content in 7th place. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So let me ask, do you honestly think Moyes can take United to a top 4 finish next season, in a financially sustainable manner?

By all accounts and reports (yes they could all be bullshit), we're being linked with players who are going to cost some serious money, and be on some hardcore wages similar to Moyes' hero, Wayne
 
I think it's clear from what we've seen this season that what David Moyes needs to really start working on with every ounce of his honest, hard-working existence is luck. Once he gets the rub of the green you just wait and watch.
 
We just need some luck, once we get some luck and the world isn't against us we will win the league. Brendan Rogers influences the referees and that's why we're sitting in 7th.:lol:

Isn't taking a team from champions to 7th after spending 70m enough to see he's not a Manchester United manager? I would have accepted top 4 in his first season knowing he's new and with all the staff changes and everything but 7th? Never. Could you see any manager at Real Madrid, Bayern, Barca or any other top club not being sacked after finishing the season at 7th? We're Manchester United and not some mid-table team.
 
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. The greatest trick Moyes ever pulled was convinving the world we have a shit squad.

That wasn't Moyes. The Caf' was rife with apprehension about several of our first-teamers the past few seasons. Many players were lambasted weekly about not being good enough (particularly our midfielders).

The greatest myth being perpetuated nowadays is the idea that our squad was superb and capable of winning every honour for the foreseeable future. Crazy how history gets rewritten.
 
Its the fact he has no playing style still that genuinely bugs me. He changes his set up on a weekly basis and seems to hope for the best. Fergie never had one style but you knew what he was doing, he'd go out and boss teams we should beat and counter against strong teams. Moyes mixes and matches all styles regardless of the opposition.

For that reason, I do not want him building a team. After 10 months he still doesn't know who he really likes and how to use what is there. Why get rid of players another manager could use with ease if he had the job? And have a style of play thats good. He most likely will get of players other teams will jump at but keep Young/Valencia cos they work hard.
 
That wasn't Moyes. The Caf' was rife with apprehension about several of our first-teamers the past few seasons. Many players were lambasted weekly about not being good enough (particularly our midfielders).

The greatest myth being perpetuated nowadays is the idea that our squad was superb and capable of winning every honour for the foreseeable future. Crazy how history gets rewritten.

It's certainly a squad good enough to comfortably finish in the top four. It's as though you're absolving Moyes of blame on the basis of bad luck and a shit hand dealt to him by Fergie. He's 7th, ffs! Totally unacceptable.
 
So let me ask, do you honestly think Moyes can take United to a top 4 finish next season, in a financially sustainable manner?

By all accounts and reports (yes they could all be bullshit), we're being linked with players who are going to cost some serious money, and be on some hardcore wages similar to Moyes' hero, Wayne

I've been convinced for a while that Moyes isn't the man for the job, but I think even if we don't sign all the players we want and need, that Moyes is capable of getting us into top 4. It's the title-challenging part and attractive football I don't see him capable of achieving.
 
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.

If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.

Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.

Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.


I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.

It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.

Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.

Let's turn this around. If Moyes had got the Chelsea or Bayern job, you think those teams would have been this well placed? You think Moyes would have wrapped up Bundesliga mid-March and be a part of the CL semis? You think Chelsea would have been in contention for the title and in the CL semis after being 3-1 down to PSG?

Before hypothetically bringing down other great managers to Moyes' level of work this season, take a moment to think whether Moyes would have done as good a job as them at their own clubs.
 
So let me ask, do you honestly think Moyes can take United to a top 4 finish next season, in a financially sustainable manner?

Of course. A league title tilt isn't out of the question either, mind. Look at the strides Liverpool have made this season.

Look at the Secret Footballer column re: Moyes and United a few months back. It was well accepted in the professional game that United's squad was playing to absolute potential last season whereas City and Chelsea seriously underachieved. The 11-point title win had skewed many United fans' expectations for this season (admittedly, mine too back in the summer) as there's no way we were that much better than the rest last season.

So, again, to reiterate my point: we should be in the Top 4 now at least and 7th is unacceptable, however, I've seen enough in Moyes to suggest he can arrest the slide and get us competitive again. He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).
 
Chelsea and City have oil money. They regularly spend £100 million and think nothing of it. Both of their squads were stronger than United's last September. United have played as well as Chelsea (bar the 'big' games) this season but have much less to show for it. Moyes has been very unlucky in some fixtures and I think once we start to get the rub of the green that the other managers have enjoyed, our league position will improve.
The question should be did Chelsea have a better squad in July? And why do they have a better squad in Sep? Did Mourinho go on a spending frenzy? [hint: Moyes has spent more than him]

Chelsea have taken 13pts from 15 against City, Liverpool and Arsenal so far, Moyes has 1, you're right, if Moyes did as well as Mourinho did 'big games', we wouldn't be sitting fuc*ing 7th.
 
Of course. A league title tilt isn't out of the question either, mind. Look at the strides Liverpool have made this season.

Look at the Secret Footballer column re: Moyes and United a few months back. It was well accepted in the professional game that United's squad was playing to absolute potential last season whereas City and Chelsea seriously underachieved. The 11-point title win had skewed many United fans' expectations for this season (admittedly, mine too back in the summer) as there's no way we were that much better than the rest last season.

So, again, to reiterate my point: we should be in the Top 4 now at least and 7th is unacceptable, however, I've seen enough in Moyes to suggest he can arrest the slide and get us competitive again. He knows the area we need to improve and that for me is a good sign (Ferguson ignored it for years, remember).

Yes Fergie ignored cos he somehow made the others make up for it. But he knows what areas we need to improve? Every person in the world knows what area of the team we need to improve. I hardly think thats a reason for him to stay after the way he's performed this season.
 
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