And yet he seems to apply absolutely zero of the principles most German sides do. He's not attacking, he doesn't play fast counter attacking with quick short passing and he's doesn't press high up the pitch.
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And yet he seems to apply absolutely zero of the principles most German sides do. He's not attacking, he doesn't play fast counter attacking with quick short passing and he's doesn't press high up the pitch.
He's got mid EPL side type of manager written all over him.
The club that also made early exits out of the CL and Europa league . Winning the league only masked over the cracks and seems to have blinded a few. And WTF is Moysified?
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Phil taking a leaf out his book with these comments.
The pressure is on them to beat us?? We're going to go and enjoy the occasion??
He's clearly been brainwashed by Moyes since he left United.
Without question these areas needed/need addressing. He didn't do that in 2 transfer windows.
That said, the team has far more ability than to be asked to sit deep, soak up the pressure, hit the wings and cross, cross, cross!
The squad could need additions and still be better than 7th. Chelsea have plenty of space for improvement yet they are comfortably top 3, Barcelona have an awful defence and ther manager seems out if depth but they haven't found themselves 7th. It's possible to have squad deficiences and still do reasonably well, don't let Moyes fiasco fool yourself.
These quotes from Ross are pretty damning but not unexpected to me. For quite some time now Moyes has looked very smug and full of himself to me and this sort of person doesn't bond well with others. This is actually one of the things that make it hard for me to give him support, he just doesn't seem likable at all.
If Moyes is opening his gob about Everton, Martinez can comment about United, no?
Yep, 38 league games in which we got 89 points for two seasons in a row only masked over the cracks. We were good and effective week in week out for several years before Moyes, out of our depth in Europe that one season but it happens.
I know you love Dave and despise our players but please stop this nonsense, this team isn't the 7th best team in the country. Ferguson has proven there is far more to be squeezed out of these players and this hasn't changed to such extent that 7th place should be considered normal.
I love these games at the end of the season when we are playing for nothing and we can relax and enjoy the occasion
100%
I don't like Mourinho's football. It's boring, joyless crap. And the moment he stops winning, he's only remembered for the petty shit.
They're the things people used to say about the small teams who came to OT with nothing to play for, hoping to "enjoy the occasion" and maybe, just maybe cause an upset. Now we're trying to do the same to Everton. Bloody hell.
This used to happen to the scousers every year, out of the title race early then once there was nothing to play for pick up some recents at the end of the season and go on about next season.
Yeah it was a shame that we won the league with that awful squad because it masked over the fact that the squad was crap and needed an overhaul if were to ever win the league....
Subjective choice then. Fair enough. I have my preferences and you have yours.
You could say about Chelsea's CL win that it papered over the cracks in 2012 because it was clearly a team in disarray that finished 6th in the league and won the CL playing rather poor brand of football (as they were incapable of winning while playing good to watch style). You cannot possibly paper over the cracks throughout the whole season year in year out to make 7th best squad look like a collection of title winners. If it hadn't been for the late Aguero goal and a Drogba offside call we'd have won all league titles between 2007 and 2013 - 7 in a row. Meanwhile few of our title wins were that close or came down to single decisions - when we won it we were some distance better most of the time. You can paper over the cracks like Chelsea did in 2012 or Liverpool in 2005 in a few CL games. In the league for 7 years it'd be very difficult.
Yet it's somehow suitable now to belittle and criticise the players who have achieved all that, accuse them of not caring in heroic defense of Moyes to whom we don't owe anything at all. Of course this squad has deficiences, especially in midfield, but last year we thought that addressg these few areas could easily see us compete with Bayern and Real Madrid - now Moyes fiasco has made us believe that we absolutely need to make 4-5 signings to finish top 4. This is where the difference lies and it's a damn huge one.
Yet it's somehow suitable now to belittle and criticise the players who have achieved all that, accuse them of not caring in heroic defense of Moyes to whom we don't owe anything at all. Of course this squad has deficiences, especially in midfield, but last year we thought that addressg these few areas could easily see us compete with Bayern and Real Madrid - now Moyes fiasco has made us believe that we absolutely need to make 4-5 signings to finish top 4. This is where the difference lies and it's a damn huge one.
fecking hell, that Neville quote kills me, absolutely kills me.
I'm going to do the unthinkable and hope we don't enjoy the occasion, lose, so that it becomes crystal clear to our board how much these bunch of mediocre imbeciles have failed in the hope that it would expedite their fcking off from my club.
I'm going to do the unthinkable and hope we don't enjoy the occasion, lose, so that it becomes crystal clear to our board how much these bunch of mediocre imbeciles have failed in the hope that it would expedite their fcking off from my club.
So This is how it feels to be City....I was thinking that if Moyes is spared the axe and gets to spunk 100 million + players then the pressure on him will be even bigger next season.A couple of bad results which is quite likely and the media will be circling.
thing is that many posters over here who moan about us being boring to watch, talk about mourinho as if he was some sort of messiah.
I don't think he expected me to ask for a list. Yes some are definitely better, but some of them are a joke. I was as surprised as anyone when Moyes was given the job, or maybe I wasn't tbh. Has he done a good job, no. Has he had enough time, that depends on the board and if they want to take that risk.
He isn't. The only thing he would do is keep us in the headlines for the wrong reasons.
If we win today, I wonder who will be the first Everton fan to report our players to the police for swearing, poor delicate souls that they are.
SAF would probably have had to make some changes to this team if he had stayed. Except he would have got the changes made as the scouting would have already be done.
don't worry you won't be the first one to throw the toys out of the pram. Ffs i can't believe that someone who calls himself a fan wants us to lose because one of the coaches made a comment he didn't like....
How real are these comments anyways? Won't be surprised if some desperate fan made it up
This could be a big problem, United is a massive organisation, but still has a family feel about it. To go from a social animal like SAF who took the time to get to know everyone and make them feel special to someone who likes to keep himself to himself seems odd. I am beginning to wonder if he even keeps a check on the kids out on loan like Nick Powell etc. Maybe Sheedy is right and all he cares about is the first team. That is not how our club works.
they could be real but you ll always got to find someone who disagrees with the content (let alone the context).
Well if it is taken out of context then it hardly helps anyone.
You can't possibly think I was being serious.
Sorry hard to tell in these desperate times.
The article highlights the basics of man management.
Whether its football or business, if you understand your direct reports on a personal level then it provides you with an "emotional lever" to push and generate improvement. Saf got an extra 20% out of players and this is how he done it.
Moyes will never change. It really is incredible hes in charge of Utd.
Whether its football or business, if you understand your direct reports on a personal level then it provides you with an "emotional lever" to push and generate improvement. Saf got an extra 20% out of players and this is how he done it.
Moyes will never change. It really is incredible hes in charge of Utd.
I remember when we had that plane stunt many people lambasted it for being "small time".
There has been nothing more "small time" this season than some of the quotes Moyes and his entourage have come out with.
There has been nothing more "small time" this season than some of the quotes Moyes and his entourage have come out with.
It really does worry me that he appears to be such an unlikeable man to work with.
The point about SAF is a good one, although he could be a figure to strike fear, the players knew if they had any problems they could go to him and would get the help they need. He was that father figure on all counts.
Absolutely correct. The other way, from a psychological perspective, is he understood emotional intelligence. He utilised emotion to maximum effect.
Ferguson got every last ounce out of five key players last year: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and van Persie. Even Giggs and Scholes, despite irregular use, were highly effective. That's the spine of the team that Ferguson got one last hurrah out of and whom were all going to be leaving/having their playing time significantly reduced in the very near future.
If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho had gotten the job, they'd have had the exact same problem Moyes has had. Look at Mourinho this year: spent bucket loads in the summer and January and will end up potless (the more insightful posters here will tell you their league position is inflated as they've played pragmatic football virtually all season) come May.
Klopp, on the other hand, would've probably looked worse with this current United squad as his philosophy demands maximum exertion in EVERY game. Can you imagine Michael Carrick pressing his midfield counterpart for 90 minutes? Neither can I.
Guardiola is another who no doubt is a class act but we haven't seen him work with *just* an ordinary/good set of players yet. He's always had the creme de la creme so it's no guarantee he'd look the dog's bollocks here at United either, at least this season anyway.
I appreciate people here despise Moyes and are embarrassed their glory-hunting Chelsea and City-supporting friends are giving them stick this season. The online-baiting, the Facebook statuses humiliating United, the Twitter posts etc. it must be so hard for them all.
It's a good thing many match-going fans are level-headed enough to appreciate Moyes has a huge job on his hands and the lad's commitment to his trade and 'workaholic' attitude see him more likely to succeed than not.
Thankfully, this 'feck Moyes' attitude isn't prevalent in or around Old Trafford and only really confined to keyboard warriors on the Internet. Keep up the good fight, lads: it's most impressive.
You don't get it
At the very least, can Moyes and his staff just stop speaking to the media?
We've got sublime chest control and lovely no-pressure (nothing to play for) match days in the last few weeks. Just stop it.
We've got sublime chest control and lovely no-pressure (nothing to play for) match days in the last few weeks. Just stop it.
It's astounding, isn't it?
Imagine uttering that sentence, aloud, around Old Trafford on match-day.
Fück me.
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