In reference to Neville's observations, Rio, and even Vidic are not feeling as confident as they once did with their pace, and injuries. It's been causing the whole defence to defend deeper for a few seasons.
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What does any of what is going on at Manchester United at the moment have to do with Jose Mourinho?
Who is in here crying out for Mourinho? Mourinho is over at Chelsea, having invested heavily but not wisely in his squad over the summer, having a CM which is hardly stronger than ours, lacking a world class striker, banishing De Bruyne to train with the U21s and leaving Mata and Luiz out of squads until they 'adapt'. He will most likely cause divisions. Chelsea aren't exactly flying and I don't see any of our fans pining for Mourinho. If anything he's been heavily criticised with most people in his thread suggesting they're glad we didn't bring him here. I don't see why you're incessant on bringing him up as though Moyes can be discussed without criticisms meaning people wanted Mourinho.
You understand the meaning of system? You can make changes to one part is coach but keep the rest, continual renewal, improvements which also applies to the squad. But wholesale changes where you replace seasoned experienced coaches with unproven ones when it wasn't required now that's asking for trouble.
Your frustrated like the rest of us but its ok you can insult me as long as you like, it only strengthens your argument.
I said numerous times in this thread, we didn't need wholesale changes in the backroom staff before the articles about Moyes going against Fergies advice about keeping staff on.
Its about succession planning, currently we have not done it well. If you cant see that then its your loss.
Oh.. please, that's bollocks. It's well normal for managers to start at a new calendar, its formal that way. And let's not blame the Glazer, it's probably a few week worth of Salary, and to think that they would want to penny pinch that is totally nitpicking.
Again, if moyes would wanted Fellaini, he could have done so months before the deadline (2 months at least), with his buyout clause and stuffs. And please let's not get into gentlement agreement bullshit (fyi : Moyes offered much less for Fellaini, so the "not using the buyout clause excuse was invalid")
And let's face it, if Moyes wanted Herrera, he could have activated the buy out clause , it's there for everyone to see, and as complicated as it is, I believe we have a legal team that can fix that in a week at most. It's not like there's anything new in that.
Yeah, it was a good point. Rio has also played the most minutes in the PL along with DDG. He looks miles off the pace atm. He hasn't been able to play every game for at least a couple of years and his injury problems and recovery issues have been well documented. He needs to be used wisely to get the best out of him, like last season when he was rotated frequently. Him an Vidic were also more often than not played alongside a more mobile partner rather than together.
It's not double standard
One is a winner, one is yet to proven that he is a winner.
It's normal. Even we are comparing what he says to what SAF says, and we come up with the same thing.
And if the glazers are coughing 30M and all we get is Fellaini, what makes you think he can do better if given 100M? He probably spend it all on Bale.
Let's take a step back and see apart from Gareth Bale, Fellaini is one of the most expensive signing this transfer season, and that speaks volume on how bad our decision. 27M for Fellaini.... we bought Rio and Rooney for that amount, and to top it off... Arsenal are just paying an extra 10M for Ozil (Kagawa, Rooney, not needed, etc etc I know) but the point still remains... Fellaini is not value for money.
This is what the club have fed to the papers this morning not my personal opinion.
IMO it's just a PR stunt to take some pressure of him.
I don't think he's the type of manager who can just dish Everton in that manner after all he done for them, and it definitely goes beyond a simple term of buying out the contract.
on the side note, this is the first time IIRC Glazer send out a statement like that... we're getting nervous
Well it isn't really because the same kind of damage limitation statement was put out after the transfer window debacle although it was more stubborn, suggesting that they were happy with how the window went whereas now there is an admission that things could have gone better, one of those being getting Moyes in to start work earlier by buying out his contract at Everton, and the other being being more successful in the transfer window.
I don't like how we have no solid stance , and Moyes is flip floping every week.
He should have chose one unified stance : Bullish or Bearish (each will have its own merits and disadvantages according to the condition of the team moral)
at least he could set his comments in the same tone, instead of claiming he's happy with the squad one week and claiming the squad needs revamp next week.
He should have chose one unified stance : Bullish or Bearish (each will have its own merits and disadvantages according to the condition of the team moral)
at least he could set his comments in the same tone, instead of claiming he's happy with the squad one week and claiming the squad needs revamp next week.
Right up to last season people were questioning Mike Phelans credentials. Now he's gone, and Rene, despite being asked to stay on by Moyes wanted a fresh start and left. He kept continuity at the club as much as he could, bringing in Neville, and adding Giggs, and possibly Scholes to the staff. If you follow youth and reserve football you'll see the same people around the club.
Firstly, Mou says these types of things whilst picking up results. With Mou it is all about power too, he is always trying to put himself at the top of the power structure at any club.
Secondly, Moyes has said at the start of the season that the squad is excellent and that it was a priority to keep it together, something that the club boasted about doing in one of its odd statements through the press. Now all of a sudden the squad actually isn't good enough and replacements are needed.
Moyes tenure so far has been about as bad as can have been expected. He will get more time obviously but he seriously needs to up his game. To me, he looks out of his depth, he doesn't look the steely eyed confident man that we saw at Everton. His mixed and sometimes negative messages to the press don't help at all in my opinion. At the least they give the press and dissenters ammunition and at worst they impact on the players confidence and performances.
Mourinho makes his bullshit work. It doesn't matter what you do when you are getting results with it.
I guess you missed the massive mourinho vs moyes debate when Fergie retired? You're also completely oblivious to the fact that the people least willing to give moyes any chance at all were the most butt-hurt when jose joined chelsea? (This Sky1966 eejit being a prime example) If so, fair enough. You can ignore my post.
Mourinho hasn't been getting results so far with Chelsea though. They've struggled to get going in most of their games and have just about done the bare minimum. Add in the shock loss in the CL and his bizarre handling of the Mata situation and it's not been a good start for Chelsea.
Yeah, exactly why I was glad we didn't get him. He creates trouble out of nothing like he has done with Mata and De Bruyne. Loaned Lukaku for some reason and if Moyes had been at Chelsea he'd have given Lukaku a chance in all likelihood instead of replacing him with a has-been. And their results haven't been all that great either. He and Pellegrini have had an easier ride so far because Moyes and United have been the slowest out of the blocks and are easy targets, one which we have rarely ever been during Sir Alex's tenure.
Don't agree. But then you knew that didn't you? I think Chesterlestreet's post says it. The club believe that Moyes had the potential to be a great manager, a worthy successor to Sir Alex and Sir Matt. That's why he was chosen, basically the club and in particular Sir Alex himself think he's made of the right stuff. They know he's got lots to learn, they'll be expecting set backs. They also know that some fans will get worried at the lack of instant success. Let's be honest, none of us are particularly happy about what's happening on the pitch, especially the drubbing by City. But also let's be realistic. Sir Alex's team got stuffed 5-1 by City and many wanted him gone on that one result. Thankfully the powers that were at United had the gumption not to grant that wish. With Sir Alex and Sir Bobby in the board room, Moyes will get enough time to prove whether he is the genuine successor - none of us know the answer to that yet and whatever happens we still won't know by the end of the season.
Exactly.
Chelsea have dropped points by drawing with United and Spurs away and they lost at Everton away. Granted that was a shock loss in the CL but I certainly think that Mou will be quietly pleased with how his team have done domestically, especially in the context of the league so far. I still tip Chelsea for the title as Mourinho is an expert at getting success whilst his teams underwhelm in terms of spectacle.
If you're referring to me... feck you pogue
At least I'm still proven right so far.
Agree with the overall tone of the post but is that bit in bold right? I know we have some muppets following the club but this seems a little far fetched. And "many"? If you are right I fear for Moyes, I really do.
Usually every club thinks the same about every manager they hire (except Zamparini who hires the manager knowing that he'll sack him after a month). But except Fergie's recommendation has he really ever shown signs that he'll become a great manager? Not sure that I have seen those signs (or the majority here considering the rating of Moyes before we hired him). That's my point. If we know that he'll become great, fecking great then, give him all the time he wants, who cares if we don't win nothing for 5 years if then we'll have 15 years of stability and trophies after that. But I (and likely many others) haven't seen anything (except him being Scotish like Sir Alex and Sir Matt) that he can become a great manager. That's my reason why I think that while we should give him time if he does even the accepted minimum (top 4 and at-least zombie football instead of uncreative static robotic one we're playing), he also has to achieve that minimum, which frankly speaking should be an easy task for anyone who aims to ever become a great manager.
I agree fully moyes should get time. theres lots of problems he inherited and obvioulsy a massive lull in the club after fergie leaving he has to try dig them out of. but im tired of how much time we say he needs to be given to "get to know his players". year in year out we see managers brought into clubs for the sole reason of having an immediate effect. obvioulsy that is often on a smaller scale with clubs near relegation and just need a bit of a lift but look at martinez. he has replaced a hugely significant manager in a clubs history, who did very well. and he is arguably doing better and at least not trotting out lines about "getting to know players". we have had 15 games including pre season, train every day as well as the fact moyes has seen these players before. lets get real about how long you can actually afford to give a manager to "get to know players"
I was thinking yesterday how Everton always started the season slowly & always ended up there or there abouts & that Moyes will turn it around by the end of the season. Then I look at how Everton have hit the ground running, must be their best start to a season in many a long year, of course they may not be able to keep it up, but it makes you wonder.
The sheer amount of times I saw a variation of the phrase "Was Moyes holding Everton back?!" on my Facebook last night was making me angry.
The Scottish bastard is going to sort it all out so these people can shut up... right?
The Scottish bastard is going to sort it all out so these people can shut up... right?
There were rather a lot of them, not the majority obviously, but getting stuffed by City does tend to irritate even me. Fergie obviously was the angriest of us all!
I don't think most clubs think they're looking for a great manager in the sense that Sir Alex and Sir Matt were great managers. It's fairly obvious that most clubs changing managers are looking for someone who'll save them from the predicament they're in - they've usually just sacked their manager. United are definitely looking for longevity. There's no way to know if Moyes (or any of the other much touted candidates, Mourinho included) is going to provide that longevity. (In fact we can be pretty sure Mourinho wouldn't given his past record). There isn't a manager around any more who has had 20 odd years at the same club and built up a dynasty of success. As I said, the club thinks Moyes is made of the right stuff, has the right philosophy, will be passionate about developing and bringing through young footballers and will respect the club's traditions. I don't know if they're right or wrong about that. But only time will tell, so that's what we have to give him. Fans who are looking for a short term manager who will be reasonably successful for two or three years are looking for something different to what the club has decided it wants. I think there's ample evidence in our own history that giving a manager the time to shape the club in his own way, provided you're seeing tangible progress (behind the scenes, as Fergie was doing in the early years), is the best way to maintain consistent long term success. We don't know if Moyes can do this, but judging him on his first 6 league games or sacking him for finishing 5th in his first season would not be in line with that objective. Patience. Time. Wait and see!
There was always going to be teething problems.
I'm not too worried about the results at the moment, it's still early enough in the season to lose games and not really have it affect the overall outcome of the season.
What worries me is the way we are playing. Our football has been mid table quality so far. We don't seem to dominate matches even against teams that are light years away from us squad wise.
I personally don't think that Moyes had very much money to spend this summer. I'd be very surprised if his budget was greater than £35 million.
The Glazers need to get realistic and quick. Carrick, Evra, Vidic and Ferdinand are all well into there 30's now and realistically need replacing with top players if we are to continue as a successful football team.
In addition to those players, we are also going to need to bring in a top class midfielder and winger to go straight into the first team. Anderson and Young are just not good enough.
We are going to need to spend a hell of a lot of money in the not to distant future. But the question is, are the owners going to back the manager and give him the funds he needs over the next couple of years to keep us at the top?
I'm not too worried about the results at the moment, it's still early enough in the season to lose games and not really have it affect the overall outcome of the season.
What worries me is the way we are playing. Our football has been mid table quality so far. We don't seem to dominate matches even against teams that are light years away from us squad wise.
I personally don't think that Moyes had very much money to spend this summer. I'd be very surprised if his budget was greater than £35 million.
The Glazers need to get realistic and quick. Carrick, Evra, Vidic and Ferdinand are all well into there 30's now and realistically need replacing with top players if we are to continue as a successful football team.
In addition to those players, we are also going to need to bring in a top class midfielder and winger to go straight into the first team. Anderson and Young are just not good enough.
We are going to need to spend a hell of a lot of money in the not to distant future. But the question is, are the owners going to back the manager and give him the funds he needs over the next couple of years to keep us at the top?
Two points which might or might not be relevant, but there have been points raised about us not scoring from open play and Everton having a wonderful start under Martinez:
1) Everton had 13 points after 6 games last season. This season they have 12.
2) Chelsea have scored only two goals from open play all season.
This doesn't discount the fact that we are playing horribly, but some cheap shots are being taken at Moyes with regards to Martinez having a wonderful start at Everton, I read somewhere that "Moyes was holding Everton back all these years"!
1) Everton had 13 points after 6 games last season. This season they have 12.
2) Chelsea have scored only two goals from open play all season.
This doesn't discount the fact that we are playing horribly, but some cheap shots are being taken at Moyes with regards to Martinez having a wonderful start at Everton, I read somewhere that "Moyes was holding Everton back all these years"!
To be fair to Moyes they had a flying start last season too iirc.
It's been disasterous so far - and he only has himself to blame. Only bringing in Felliani was a huge mistake. He had from May to assess the squad and bring in/ship out players. His interviews are cringeworthy, the football being played is woeful. The teams he is picking are uninspiring.
But it can't get any worse and can only go better from here, surely? I expect us to lose tomorrow but I think we'll get back on track on Saturday.
But it can't get any worse and can only go better from here, surely? I expect us to lose tomorrow but I think we'll get back on track on Saturday.
The fooball is garbage but it was the majority of the time under Fergie's last few years with us as well. But we created a lot more chances under Fergie's teams.
Yeah, the hagiography of Martinez is getting right on my tits. This is a bloke who relegated Wigan in his final season, conceded more goals than any other club in PL history in his debut season and never managed to achieve anything higher than a 15th place finish. They finished 11th under Steve Bruce, despite Spurs buying their best player - Palacios - off them halfway through the season and 10th in their first ever season in the Premier League.
Also, the idea that Everton only started playing football when Moyes left is wide of the mark. They placed some terrific football last season and were rightfully getting a lot of plaudits. Basically, they've started this season almost exactly the same way they did last season.
What will be interesting is when Distin slips, or if he loses Baines. He arrived to a very solid, settled back four. What I've seen of his teams in the past suggests he's got plenty of lernin' to do on the defensive side of the game.
Manchester United manager David Moyes must get back to being the fearsome leader he was at Everton
Come on David Moyes, be like David Moyes. Be decisive. Be tough. Be the boss as you were at Everton.
No more Mr Nice Guy: David Moyes needs to show the toughness he displayed at Everton Photo: PA
By Henry Winter
6:00AM BST 01 Oct 2013
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Moyes must dispel this image of him as Sir Alex Ferguson’s anointed successor, the Chosen One or Fergie Lite to his critics. Moyes must remember he was appointed Manchester United manager because of his lauded reputation within the game, so applauded that his peers voted him Manager of the Year in 2003, 2005 and 2009.Moyes is a good manager who just needs to be himself, who just needs to do the United job his way. It may not work. United may get knocked off their perch for a while, sliding into the shadows of rivals after so long basking in the sunshine spread by the incomparable Ferguson. It may well prove a significant error by Moyes to not retain the respected services of Rene Meulensteen, Micky Phelan and Eric Steele, coaches with an incredible combined knowledge of what makes United’s squad so resilient. But Moyes has to do it his way, not another manager’s way, however exalted Ferguson was.
Moyes has to keep faith with his new coaches. He has also to impose himself on players assembled by Ferguson, making it his team, making them forget the illustrious predecessor and fear the new man. Moyes has to show he is not just minding the store while Ferguson has popped out. He needs to make some big calls, such as dropping Rio Ferdinand and telling Phil Jones or Chris Smalling that they are the future at centre-half. Give Wilfried Zaha a chance. Or Adnan Januzaj. Usher in a new era on the pitch as well as in the dugout.
He should back his own judgment, acumen acquired while doing his apprenticeship at Preston North End and then on the Premier League front-line at Everton. He has earned this chance. He certainly showed his managerial qualities in his handling of the Wayne Rooney saga. He just needs to believe in himself again, to be the boss.
Moyes needs to spread a little fear and coax a keener competition for places in the squad. At Everton, Moyes was totally in charge, partly because he inherited a struggling team which he first galvanised and then rebuilt, but also because of that look of thunder in his eyes. He scared people. A charming man also had a nasty streak. Only fools or those with death wishes would cross Moyes at Goodison Park. He is a different creature at Old Trafford, more obliging, less willing to upset people. That is not the David Moyes that Ferguson felt could take on the huge job of managing United, a job for a leader who stood tall in storms.At Everton, he was decisive, offloading David Ginola, even challenging Duncan Ferguson. He fought his way out of tricky situations in 2002 and 2005-06, guiding Everton up from the depths.He asserted his authority time after time at Everton and must do so now at United. He has to stop being in awe of his new, celebrated surroundings and his new, famous workmates.
On the eve of the season, Moyes spoke of his excitement at sitting in the big manager’s swivel chair in that corner office/control room at Carrington. It was a nice anecdote designed to signal his passion for the position, but the wide-eyed fresher act has to end. The seat belongs to him now. He is in charge.If the commercial side make too many demands, tell them firmly the bottom line for him is all about spending time with his football staff and squad, instructing Jones in the art of timing a tackle, not glad-handing tyre-maker sponsors. If he feels that Ed Woodward is not moving quickly or cutely enough in the transfer market then he should have a strong word with his executive vice-chairman. Moyes needs players, his players. The more that arrive the more powerful the squad will become and the more the existing cadre will know they have to regain the intensity they showed under Ferguson.
At times, Moyes seems to defer to members of United’s respected media department over what questions he should answer. Ridiculous. He is the manager.Do not avoid issues. It is time for Moyes to stop playing Mr Nice Guy. He did not earn such relentless praise at Everton through slavish diplomacy.At Everton, Moyes was usually most quotable in defeat, when he backed vanquished, vulnerable players, taking criticism on himself, earning the appreciation of the dressing-room. Some of his public utterances as United manager border on the defeatist. He needs “five to six world-class players”. He is prepared to suffer “blow after blow” while rebuilding “a team in transition”. Few would argue about the need for heavyweight reinforcements or the need for time and forbearance. Moyes was being admirably honest and a delighted print media hungrily paraded his sentiments in block type to match the new Salford skyline.But it was unwise. Moyes risks talking the team into a recession. Such comments foster uncertainty on the terraces as well as the dressing room. Demanding increased effort from the players should be done behind the scenes not in front of notepads.
He was never this downbeat at Everton. Moyes should remember how he kept Tim Cahill delivering. Whenever the Australian suffered a dip in form, Moyes would immediately enthuse about Cahill’s talents, about how the goals would flow again. And they did.
Moyes has to get to grips with the wiles of the modern media. Former referees, managers and players, even club executives, have newspaper columns. Fans have social media soapboxes and countless local and national radio phone-ins. Studios teem with pundits, particularly during the current broadcast wars between Sky and BT. It is like those cruise ship advertisements. Everyone has a view.
Regular attendees at Moyes press conferences down the years know how little he enjoys the television element of the inquisition. He relaxes with the radio types, often opens up to the scribblers but he goes cold when the cameras roll, his body language exuding caution.
In the modern world where perception is key, Moyes comes over as defensive. He needs to be true to himself, yet also understand the need to present the right image. Be defiant. Come up with such rallying cries as his “people’s club” tribute to Everton when joining in 2002. Come on David Moyes, be yourself. Stand or fall on your own terms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ng-the-fearsome-leader-he-was-at-Everton.html
Come on David Moyes, be like David Moyes. Be decisive. Be tough. Be the boss as you were at Everton.
No more Mr Nice Guy: David Moyes needs to show the toughness he displayed at Everton Photo: PA
By Henry Winter
6:00AM BST 01 Oct 2013
Moyes must dispel this image of him as Sir Alex Ferguson’s anointed successor, the Chosen One or Fergie Lite to his critics. Moyes must remember he was appointed Manchester United manager because of his lauded reputation within the game, so applauded that his peers voted him Manager of the Year in 2003, 2005 and 2009.Moyes is a good manager who just needs to be himself, who just needs to do the United job his way. It may not work. United may get knocked off their perch for a while, sliding into the shadows of rivals after so long basking in the sunshine spread by the incomparable Ferguson. It may well prove a significant error by Moyes to not retain the respected services of Rene Meulensteen, Micky Phelan and Eric Steele, coaches with an incredible combined knowledge of what makes United’s squad so resilient. But Moyes has to do it his way, not another manager’s way, however exalted Ferguson was.
Moyes has to keep faith with his new coaches. He has also to impose himself on players assembled by Ferguson, making it his team, making them forget the illustrious predecessor and fear the new man. Moyes has to show he is not just minding the store while Ferguson has popped out. He needs to make some big calls, such as dropping Rio Ferdinand and telling Phil Jones or Chris Smalling that they are the future at centre-half. Give Wilfried Zaha a chance. Or Adnan Januzaj. Usher in a new era on the pitch as well as in the dugout.
He should back his own judgment, acumen acquired while doing his apprenticeship at Preston North End and then on the Premier League front-line at Everton. He has earned this chance. He certainly showed his managerial qualities in his handling of the Wayne Rooney saga. He just needs to believe in himself again, to be the boss.
Moyes needs to spread a little fear and coax a keener competition for places in the squad. At Everton, Moyes was totally in charge, partly because he inherited a struggling team which he first galvanised and then rebuilt, but also because of that look of thunder in his eyes. He scared people. A charming man also had a nasty streak. Only fools or those with death wishes would cross Moyes at Goodison Park. He is a different creature at Old Trafford, more obliging, less willing to upset people. That is not the David Moyes that Ferguson felt could take on the huge job of managing United, a job for a leader who stood tall in storms.At Everton, he was decisive, offloading David Ginola, even challenging Duncan Ferguson. He fought his way out of tricky situations in 2002 and 2005-06, guiding Everton up from the depths.He asserted his authority time after time at Everton and must do so now at United. He has to stop being in awe of his new, celebrated surroundings and his new, famous workmates.
On the eve of the season, Moyes spoke of his excitement at sitting in the big manager’s swivel chair in that corner office/control room at Carrington. It was a nice anecdote designed to signal his passion for the position, but the wide-eyed fresher act has to end. The seat belongs to him now. He is in charge.If the commercial side make too many demands, tell them firmly the bottom line for him is all about spending time with his football staff and squad, instructing Jones in the art of timing a tackle, not glad-handing tyre-maker sponsors. If he feels that Ed Woodward is not moving quickly or cutely enough in the transfer market then he should have a strong word with his executive vice-chairman. Moyes needs players, his players. The more that arrive the more powerful the squad will become and the more the existing cadre will know they have to regain the intensity they showed under Ferguson.
At times, Moyes seems to defer to members of United’s respected media department over what questions he should answer. Ridiculous. He is the manager.Do not avoid issues. It is time for Moyes to stop playing Mr Nice Guy. He did not earn such relentless praise at Everton through slavish diplomacy.At Everton, Moyes was usually most quotable in defeat, when he backed vanquished, vulnerable players, taking criticism on himself, earning the appreciation of the dressing-room. Some of his public utterances as United manager border on the defeatist. He needs “five to six world-class players”. He is prepared to suffer “blow after blow” while rebuilding “a team in transition”. Few would argue about the need for heavyweight reinforcements or the need for time and forbearance. Moyes was being admirably honest and a delighted print media hungrily paraded his sentiments in block type to match the new Salford skyline.But it was unwise. Moyes risks talking the team into a recession. Such comments foster uncertainty on the terraces as well as the dressing room. Demanding increased effort from the players should be done behind the scenes not in front of notepads.
He was never this downbeat at Everton. Moyes should remember how he kept Tim Cahill delivering. Whenever the Australian suffered a dip in form, Moyes would immediately enthuse about Cahill’s talents, about how the goals would flow again. And they did.
Moyes has to get to grips with the wiles of the modern media. Former referees, managers and players, even club executives, have newspaper columns. Fans have social media soapboxes and countless local and national radio phone-ins. Studios teem with pundits, particularly during the current broadcast wars between Sky and BT. It is like those cruise ship advertisements. Everyone has a view.
Regular attendees at Moyes press conferences down the years know how little he enjoys the television element of the inquisition. He relaxes with the radio types, often opens up to the scribblers but he goes cold when the cameras roll, his body language exuding caution.
In the modern world where perception is key, Moyes comes over as defensive. He needs to be true to himself, yet also understand the need to present the right image. Be defiant. Come up with such rallying cries as his “people’s club” tribute to Everton when joining in 2002. Come on David Moyes, be yourself. Stand or fall on your own terms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ng-the-fearsome-leader-he-was-at-Everton.html
A bit overblown but I think that's essentially fair.
I just want to see Moyes look a bit more grumpy and angry about what's going on.
I just want to see Moyes look a bit more grumpy and angry about what's going on.
Overblown? Henry Winter? You must be mad...
He basically wrote a huge wall of text for something that could have been said in a single line.
Yeah, it's all just intangible guff. That said, I agree with the essential message that Moyes came across as a steely, angry bastard (to me, anyway) while he was at Everton, which is exactly the sort of mood we need to foster at the club now. He seems to be feeling sorry for himself, when he should be furious at the players letting him down.
Of course, it's quite possible he's tearing strips off them away from the intrusions of the press.
Of course, it's quite possible he's tearing strips off them away from the intrusions of the press.
Did not read lol!
I'd agree though, whereas we'd have seen SAF shouting instructions form the sidelines, apoplectic with rage & red in the face & probably laughing & shaking his head at some of the nonsense on offer on Saturday, Moyes seems to be sitting down and chatting to his assistant whenever the camera panned to him. Did he spend much time in the technical area as far as people saw?
I'd agree though, whereas we'd have seen SAF shouting instructions form the sidelines, apoplectic with rage & red in the face & probably laughing & shaking his head at some of the nonsense on offer on Saturday, Moyes seems to be sitting down and chatting to his assistant whenever the camera panned to him. Did he spend much time in the technical area as far as people saw?
I cant see that sub heading being sung by the United fans, doesn't have a good ring to it.
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