Yeah, those were really lean years. Watching a young Ronaldo and Rooney grow in a team with Rio, Scholes, Giggs and van Nistelrooy, winning the FA Cup and reaching a final the following year...sends shivers down the spine, it really does.
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Yeah, those were really lean years. Watching a young Ronaldo and Rooney grow in a team with Rio, Scholes, Giggs and van Nistelrooy, winning the FA Cup and reaching a final the following year...sends shivers down the spine, it really does.
Yes we do. The recent financial results announced to the stock exchange used forward guidance of profits based on finishing in the top 3 and reaching the quarter finals of the Champions League and domestic cups.
I'm old school. When things are not going as expected we increase our support for the people in charge, and players.
That didn't helped a lot, right? A great manager helped though.
Just pointing that people didn't changed sides when United didn't win cups and I don't expect it to happen if we don't win cups again.
And we have a young Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard etc that may grow in to something special.
If you don't think fans support help, I'm at a loss what to say, buddy.
Thats rose tinted glasses. Up until the latter half of the 05/06 season Ronaldo seemed to have slowed down in development, Rio had a drug ban, the contract issue and after he signed that contract he was so terrible he was dropped by England. Ruud allegedly wanted away to Madrid every other summer, Giggs was booed for poor performances and Scholes missed a huge chunk of football with an eye injury. We were actually pretty poor back then from the moment we lost to Wolves away in Rio's last game before his ban till after the 06 WC we really weren't ever in a serious title challenge. There was a lot of Fergie out talk at the time
That's certainly the biggest positive about Moyes so far, I do have faith in him to bring through the young players.
We won the FA Cup in one of those seasons, it's not exactly like we went trophyless for however many seasons its been for Arsenal. That's when fans start getting weeded out. Though I suppose our fans will be a bit more restless seeing as Sir Alex won as many English league titles in 20 years as Arsenal won in their history. I have to say I don't agree with you. I actually know a United fan that lived down the street from me (my age) that became a Chelsea fan right around that time. I doubt he was the only one.
It's rose-tinted glasses to state facts with no interpretation of them?! Yes, we weren't great. A couple of seasons of finishing outside the top two was hardly disastrous though.
Anyone else heard the rumour that Moyes is sleeping with Zaha?
Of course they help, there is a reason why teams win more in home than away. But also the manager is very important too. And since I have been in this thread, the only thing I have done is to keep an open mind that it doesn't mean to be an unconditional support for the manager regardless of the results and performances. Some people would be fine with the manager even if we get relegated (as was said some pages ago), which I think is completely wrong thinking but someone might think that I am completely wrong that the manager has also to perform in order to continue being in the job. How much fans should be patient IMO shouldn't be set in stone, but should be depended on progress he does. I can't ever buy the argument that we need to give him at-least 2 or 3 or 6 years regardless of how poor the results might be, because he will then suddenly become the next Fergie. If we keep the wrong man in the job (which at the moment despite the negative signs which doesn't add confidence to anyone, we still don't know if Moyes is the right man or not) for 2-3 years or more than I can guarantee you that we'll spend the other part of the decade trying to get in Champions. Forget the trophies, we would beg for a Champions League place every second year if things go wrong for a few years. Maybe some people would love to see that, in order to give us 'glory hunters' a lesson, but I think that it isn't something we need to see, and if things go wrong it's better (and easier) to prevent rather to fix after some years.
Anyway, I am done for this debate at the moment. Maybe all will soon get better and the hypothetical scenarios we discussed today would never be tested in practice. Hopefully!
If we lose our next game to Sunderland what's gonna happen?
And Zaha still can't get a game? Ouch.
On the other thread, yeah. Is she hot?
Revan will implode
Kevin Ball will be hired as the new Sunderland manager.
Nah, it's all fine cause Busby lost against them five decades ago. Time to sleep, anyway.
We will all be even more concerned and pissed off but with a bit of luck the board will be nowhere near as worried
The dreaded vote of confidence from the board will come
I'm surprised at you Brwned, I'd have expected you to give a more Pogue-esque "the club can do no wrong" spin on the situation.
I always maintained, no matter how it turned out, the appointment at the time just made very little sense. Think of those who were most staunchly against the move on here, and the reasons they gave, I don't even think those people fully grasped how little sense it made. I think we've all been de-sensitised to the idea given he's been linked with the job here in the media for about 8 years and been a favourite with the bookies too. Imagine if it would have come out the blue, like the idea had never have been discussed the same way numerous managers of midtable teams who'd had moderate success were never touted to take over from Ferguson, the reaction would have been one of absolute disbelief.
It's very early and we could all end up looking like chumps for panicking over a bad start, I really hope he turns it around.
We're not even a month out of the Liverpool loss where Moyes declared he was "really impressed" & he could "see why they're champions" in referencing an absolute dismal performance.
So now we are 6 players short of competing in the CL?
Moyes needs PR lessons like yesterday because he's not helping his cause.
Yes, he needs PR lessons. If keeping uninformed fans on the Internet happy at all times is crucial, that is. Maybe it is, feck knows. Sorry, I'm just getting seriously feckin' tired of all this scrutinizing.
Look, he said you need five or six world class players. He didn't say we lack five or six of them. Sort of a difference there, you know.
And could it be, perhaps, maybe - that what he says to the media is designed for the media, somehow? And, yes, again - it might be that he isn't a master of manipulating those vultures just yet, like a certain other Glaswegian was - but I doubt it matters much to his players. I would hope that he communicates with them directly, at least occasionally, not just through the media.
The shit and the fan will collide.
I wonder what the situation in the dressing room is like. Players who have played with the greatest manager ever and won everything under the sun, now listening to a coach who never won anything, who doesn't know the players, doesn't know what to think of his team, and such a person needs to lead them from game to game? Surely even they must be wondering about the tactics and illogical changes during the game, so even with all due respect to the person Moyes, I wonder if some of thd players are already thinking this man is slowly but surely losing his credibility. That moment when you as a player just know, without trying to be a smart ass or anything, that the team selection is just shit and it that it won't work.
Moyes said himself he'd have to win over the dressing room.
I'm glad you do - and I hope that's true for all those who declare they do as an afterthought of sorts to their incessant whining. This is not directed at you, far from it as you actually seem sincere in your hope. That's the spirit, I should say. If you can't squeeze out any actual faith, at least have some hope.
So by taking a man for his word and not trying to read between the lines I am an uninformed internet fan? I'm sorry this is all getting to you but the sole purpose of the Caf is to discuss all things United. Currently we are traveling to our first away CL match with a coach who is quoted as saying,
The bold to me implies we do lack this in our current squad. I'll admit that we are lacking compared to teams like Barcelona, Bayern, etc but we aren't playing them on Wednesday. I'm simply saying the timing of his revelations is just wrong.
Like you I'd rather he speak directly to his players and not feed vultures anything that belongs behind closed doors. If we lack players fine, sell them off in the window and start signing but don't feed us some bullshit on how well we played in a loss to Liverpool post game then how we lack a Championship side two nights prior to a CL match.
I don't think the player's respect for him or what he's saying in the media are the pressing issues here, they're just things people enjoy speculating over and scrutinising when really they're probably not causing our on-the-pitch problems. I suspect it's simply a combination of a poor transfer window, an erroneous view on a lot of our players which inevitably leads to questionable team selections and use of subs.
I'd also have to question whatever we're doing on training given how utterly clueless we look in attack and our inability to create chances and score goals from open play. Another reason why many fans wanted a manager with a renowned style, philosophy and methods to deliver the quality of football we desire.
I'd also have to question whatever we're doing on training given how utterly clueless we look in attack and our inability to create chances and score goals from open play. Another reason why many fans wanted a manager with a renowned style, philosophy and methods to deliver the quality of football we desire.
It was not. It is just an opinion at this point of time. Freely changeable depending on Moyes's actions...
Yes. We do. That's the thing here. When the ship is clearly going under from mismanagement we rage and demand change. But in a plain, old storm - it's not even a storm, it's just the first damn gale that was bound to hit us sooner or later - we don't start wailing like bitches. It's undignified, pardon the expression.
And that doesn't mean we can't be concerned about how Moyes does things. It's the manner of it. It's the obvious, hysterical reaction to it. I didn't see it coming, I really didn't. I thought this place was better than that.
Well, pardon me - but then you are plainly and obviously reading it wrongly. He is talking about winning the Champions League, not about winning the next match in the group.
And, about the bold part - do you think he communicates with his players through comments like these? Does any manager? These are messages to the media and the fans, not to his players. Are they ideal messages to the media and the fans? Now, that we can argue about. But it's an entirely different debate.
Dear fans,
Whether this shit continues or not, whether we win the title or finish outside the top 4 and get kicked out early of all competitions, Moyesy Dave will stay as our manager.
SAF
Whether this shit continues or not, whether we win the title or finish outside the top 4 and get kicked out early of all competitions, Moyesy Dave will stay as our manager.
SAF
Dear Sam,
Don't spout bollocks on the caf on my behalf.
Even though you're right - in fact you are right, there's no doubt about it.
- SAF
..no doubt about that.
It would be bizarre if any United didn't want it or mean it. If it does go horribly wrong and he got sacked, I'd imagine it'd be because the team is in such a poor position that it'd have long term consequences (i.e. not making CL), which even for the most narcissistic bellend would be tough to stomach for the sake of saying "I was right".
I'd find it insincere to bow down and say I got it horribly wrong though if we do end up having some moderate success, I've always accepted it was a possibility but the point that the decision made very little sense and was a big risk at the time of Fergie's retirement will always remain a valid one, in my view.
Aye - and no. It was a risk, as would any appointment have been. It made sense, though. In my opinion it made more sense than any other alternative - but fair enough, it's possible to disagree on that. We just have to wait and see, that's were we are right now, like it or not.
Depends how highly you rated Moyes and assessed his time at Everton, a lot of people do rate him (clearly including Ferguson) in which case it isn't seen as a real risk in their eyes - he is the right man for the job.
Who would you have preferred?
Nevile's view on the weekend and Moyes. Worth a watch for those who haven't seen it.
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