Didn't think I'd need to justify this one, as a look at the table shows we're the best team in the country away from home.
Moyes So Far!
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Didn't think I'd need to justify this one, as a look at the table shows we're the best team in the country away from home.
Unless they are highly confident he will become a world class manager (for instance he has been impressing them behind the scenes) then I also think he is gone. Had the season not been as it has then they probably would have given him time as Bates has suggested.
Next season's reality is this:
- Chelsea - as good as guaranteed top four.
- City - Ditto.
- Liverpool - Possible title contenders next season however strong top four contenders. Depends on how they handle europe and how well they can strengthen their squad.
- Arsenal - Possible title contenders and strong top four. Depends on the signings Wenger makes.
- Spurs - Will strengthen the manager and he will have a strong foundation to work with making them at the very least top four contenders.
- Everton - Top four contenders at the very least however if Martinez can take fourth and improve the squad with the investment available they could be strong top four contenders if they handle Europe well.
The challenge right now is monumental. Moyes very well could improve considerably and he might even be a top manager, had it been last season I could see them taking the risk and giving him another season. As things stand though, United's future regarding on the field performance is at risk. For this reason pursuing proven top managers might be the best course of action for them.
Things will be interesting come the end of the season.
No, the table shows we're 7th having lost 10 games so far.
United should get a trophy just for that.
You're Brazilian?
Yes.
Thank you. LiveLifeUnited, for me has some of the most insightful analyses about United this season available anywhere.
That's a great article. Thanks for sharing.
The table also shows that Moyes has taken us from 1st to 7th and he will finish behind Everton with the current champions, that's more relevant than how many away games we've won.
Where are you from in Brazil?
Born in Rio and lived there until I was six- been living in the States ever since.
Beautiful city, very dramatic. I've only been to Brasil once, loved what I saw, mainly in the North East, I'm heading back in the summer. Minha esposa es Brasileira, ela de Joao Pessoa.
I feel for Moyes a bit, not sure why but i do. It's entirely possible that City win the COC, Arsenal the FA cup, Chelsea the CL and Liverpool the title. Like 2005 but much worse. He couldn't really have asked for more of a worst case scenario finish to his first campaign.
You're forgetting Everton finishing ahead of us in the top 4 which just about tops it all.
Why feel sorry for him? He had the champions and has failed to win any of those trophies. First and last campaign hopefully.
True.
I don't know why. He just looks lost, maybe thats why. Would be best for all concerned if we parted ways. Perhaps him doing a Mcclaren for a bit would be a good idea?
To put things in perspective, Tata Martino is facing huge pressure from the Spanish press right now. Ever since Barca's exit from the CL, and their loss this weekend, his future has been put into question. They are 3rd in the league, 4 pts behind the leader and are still in for the Copa Del Rey. Their fans are abusing the Barca players as well.
We, on the other hand, are 7th with absolutely nothing to play for. This proves that the media and the United fans have given Moyes a very easy ride compared to what he would have gotten at another top European club.
We, on the other hand, are 7th with absolutely nothing to play for. This proves that the media and the United fans have given Moyes a very easy ride compared to what he would have gotten at another top European club.
Exactly.
Rodgers has proven that you don't need a whole team of world class players to play good football and win games. But Moyes needs a war chest to spend apparently because our squad is shite, or something like that. At the end of the day, he's tactically inept against the big teams, and no amount of money will fix that, nor will it change his midtable mentality.
Interesting guy. And whatever your opinion of Moyes or the guy, I think we can almost all agree on this (and I assume he meant "wouldn't")...
Correct. Think what so many people overlook is his inability to get results when we really need them. Probably once all season this happened and that was against Olympiakos, not exactly top opposition. Otherwise its been fail, fail and fail.
We already have the players to make top 4 and more, and challenge for trophies. So new additions won't change that if we have the same manager.
How do we know Sir Alex didn't want to spend though? we automatically assume it to be the Glazers, (and im not for one second thinking them as good owners, they're blood sucking leeches) but Sir Alex seemed quite happy with his squad through his final years.
The year we sold ronaldo for 80mill for example.. the only noteable purchase was Valencia that summer, Im sure the Glazers would have let Sir Alex have a bit more money from the Ronaldo sale than the final figure we payed Wigan.
That link above has another segment comparing Rodgers to Moyes and their differing philosophies. So yeah the club can go sign Reus, Gundogan, Koke, et al, and feck all will matter. It will be the same dull tactics and acres of space for players to lose possession with no outlet.
http://livelifeunited.com/tactics-comparison-brendan-rodgers-vs-david-moyes/
City won the Capital One Cup. Liverpool could win the Premier League, Arsenal the FA Cup and Chelsea possibly the Champions League. We're sitting here in 7th, not playing for anything. Sad state of affairs.
He has talked about his love for the bundesliga. I honestly think he is a very good manager (short of the elite level though) and will succeed wherever else he goes. I would like to see him at a bundesliga side that could challenge Leverkusen and Schalke for top four.
Even if he stays in our league he will get offers. He did well with Everton and I do think if he is given a budget then he could very well build a team that over the next 5 or 6 seasons will grow to challenge for Europa, perhaps even top four if he continues to improve as a manager, depending on the competition.
His away record shows what he can do. I just think the step up to the elite level is difficult, the away games show he can build a team to absorb pressure and then break on the counter exploiting holes already created. At the highest level, as was the case at Old Trafford, teams often would be content with the draw therefore it is up to the manager to systematically break them down and he has struggled with this. Furthermore, it's something that must be done with games coming thick and fast.
I disagree. Fergie was never shy about spending big money before those cnuts from Florida put the bite on us. Those feckers had it made. They had a great manager who could win trophies (and attract big money sponsors) with limited resources. The debt still hangs around the club's neck and for the first time in years, there is a real possibility that the club's value could take a nosedive. If they stick with Gollum, they will have to dig deep, and I mean far deeper than the money they shelled out for Mata and Fellaini. For all their bluster and big talk, I can't see them forking out 200 million to Moyes. They thought he was another Fergie who'd come in and do it on the cheap but now that's blown up in their faces, what are they to do?
Also Ferguson spent £16m on Valencia and about £20m on Young, and the latter has a 120k per week salary actually making him one of the highest paid players in the team suggesting Ferguson rated him highly! Juan Mata is on 130k per week and most players don't come close to this, so Ferguson probably lost a bit of confidence because I think he made a few errors in the market with his gambles.
He probably decided to be patient and wait until a player became available instead of taking the gamble and wasting money. Examples of this include spending on Phil Jones, De Gea, spending on Kagawa (about £14m) and getting RVP for a cracking deal.
You see, he might have felt the squad was good enough for the title (and it was) so decided not to buy a central midfielder until a top one became available using that opportunity to get Jones some games and develop him. Same with the wide areas and Welbeck.
"When it rains, it pours" is a highly relevant saying to describe this season. Not only have we turned to shite under a manager that looks beyond clueless, but our greatest rivals who finished 7th last season have become world beaters, steamrolling anyone that stands before them. Finishing mid table is bad enough alone without those shower of cnuts winning the league and playing the best football the league has seen in a while. It's been one big fairytale for them, and one big hellhole of a nightmare for us.
Sorry to make it worse but Everton finishing ahead of us in 4th?
Finishing below Spurs as well. Feck.
And still possibly qualifying for the Europa League at 7th.
He's like an Old Testament curse.
He's like an Old Testament curse.
I have always been under the belief that Moyes would be given a full season at least, no matter what the circumstances (excluding being outside top 10 which really would be inexcusable). But, I suddenly have this thought in my head about whether the Glazers really do have a desire to sack Moyes, but of course are waiting until the end of the season to activate some performance clause in his contract? I know it's been mentioned the odd time around here, but I would imagine a sacking from United would cost them millions to do, because he hasn't left on his terms. Yet with a clause which could be anything from reaching a final to top 4, and failing to meet that allows leave by mutual agreement? THe Glazers aren't exactly the most friendly people when it comes to hiring and firing; I'm pretty sure they are brutal with their Tampa Bay team too. It really will be interesting if they give the go ahead for Moyes to splurge £200 million on new toys, or admit their wrongdoings and try find a manager better suited to the job.
I also have to say the term "rebuild" is getting right on my nerves too. We only require a rebuild because Moyes has knocked down our entire infrastructure, he is very much to blame.
I've gotten to the stage that I actually hate him, it used to be I just hate the fact he's United manager, now I hate him, the person.
First time ever for anyone associated with United...
What age are you? Under 30?
I think the thing that bugs me the most is watching a number of other teams playing with pace, style and swagger and this season we have none of that. I always thought this would be a difficult season but I didnt think we would lose our swagger.
He always used to big himself up when he was at Everton, making it out that they were plucky underdogs that should be grateful he was there. He's trying the same thing here.
What a difference a year makes.
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