Moyes So Far!

[Empire]

So they were talking about Moyes on the Sunday Supplement and all the journalist think he'll be given a extra season to sort things out. They said United don't want to become like other clubs and have a new manager every 3-4 years and the board wants to do it "the United way." They said Moyes was never going to be a quick fix and that they've been told he's doing a lot of work in the background which is distracting him away from football or something along those lines.

The journalist said on and off the record they have been told Moyes is here to stay.

I have been saying that it is possible because he is the manager and not a head coach with a director of football, he has grossly under estimated the work load with the continuos games and so lack of preparation for most games has cost him. Players said he was meticulous in his planning at Everton but then he didn't have so many mid-week games. He has far less time to prepare the team therefore if his methods rely on his strength of preparing a team for a game such lack of time will be detrimental to his performance.

It's simple, he needs to not do so much and be the manager like Ferguson who let Rene and Mike take training whilst he observed. They took care of the preparation too I would have thought.

The problem is, Moyes likes to be hands on so he is probably more like a head coach who at the most elite level requires a director of football but should such be the case then there are many top head coaches out there.

If he is to be more of a manager like Ferguson, he must change the way he does things and so he is no longer the David Moyes of Everton.

One must question how much knowledge Ferguson had of Moyes' methods. Surely he would have thought Moyes' hands on approach would not work with the quantity of games at United?

The United way might be too traditional and not changing with the times. However, I'm sure if time shows this the board will respond and put in place a director of football allowing for the short term elite coaches to be serious candidates because should they leave in only a few short years, still the infrastructure will cope.

I also think David Moyes will adapt and be much better able next season.

 

[DWelbz19]

This man is turning United into a joke yet some people are so firmly behind him it reminds be of the cult in The Following.

Agreed. I just can't fathom out why people are still actually supporting him.

 

[LonelyFire]

So they were talking about Moyes on the Sunday Supplement and all the journalist think he'll be given a extra season to sort things out. They said United don't want to become like other clubs and have a new manager every 3-4 years and the board wants to do it "the United way." They said Moyes was never going to be a quick fix and that they've been told he's doing a lot of work in the background which is distracting him away from football or something along those lines.

The journalist said on and off the record they have been told Moyes is here to stay.

They did not say that at all. Steve Bates (who is a good hack) believes he has this summer and if no improvement by september then hes in real trouble. Jason Burt agreed, however, rob draper reckons he may be gone end of this season. They all agreed that despite what club are saying no one knows what glazers are thinking.

 

[Enigma_87]

Just to put an end to this moyes made Martinez job easy this season....

Barry, McCarthy, Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley & Stones (moyes hardly played either). That's half a team. Moyes is not responsible one bit for them.

They playing style is quite different as well.

Jesus.

To be fair I don't think Moyes is better manager than Pulis. Pulis did a great job with Stoke, promoting them, then going to the FA cup final, knockout stages of Europa League and that with worse squad with limited budget. He's also doing pretty well with Crystal Palace.
He has the same credentials like him for the United job, except being Scottish...

 

[Empire]

They did not say that at all. Steve Bates (who is a good hack) believes he has this summer and if no improvement by september then hes in real trouble. Jason Burt agreed, however, rob draper reckons he may be gone end of this season. They all agreed that despite what club are saying no one knows what glazers are thinking.

I would imagine not knowing what the glazers are thinking is the case. They can't afford any leaks due to how it could cause volatility in their share price therefore any discussions had would required non-disclosure agreements.

It actually makes the end of the season that much more interesting because it could go either way.

Why would Steve Bates think he has the summer and if no improvement by September he is in real trouble? Would it not make sense if there is doubt to give a new manager the summer? Or is he suggesting he is in real trouble but would probably get sacked closer to christmas?

 

[Nani Nana]

Agreed. I just can't fathom out why people are still actually supporting him.

Because any coach would have struggled to handle the Post-Ferguson transition period, and Moyes has shown in glimpses he can be successful long-term.

Some of us know how long it took to build this club, and that you cannot go out winning trophies year in, year out.

The fact a well-established PL coach, appointed by the man he respects most in football, is eager to succeed here and stay for the long term makes him a different kettle of fish to the various "flavour of the month" coaches we see floating around as potential replacements.

What Moyes-bashers don't seem to grasp (some even speak of Scottish co-option) is that Fergie took a risk in appointing Moyes. He could have gone for the obvious choice, a Mourinho or whoever else, but he took a risk like he did during his managerial career when he threw Macheda in against Villa, or Sheringham and Solskjaer against Bayern.

Risk taking is part and parcel of what this club stands for, and proper MUFC fans are willing to accept momentary lulls that will reap greater rewards in the end, ie. a stable coach with the same mindset as that of our best ever manager.

 

[Cal?]

Because any coach would have struggled to handle the Post-Ferguson transition period, and Moyes has shown in glimpses he can be successful long-term.

Some of us know how long it took to build this club, and that you cannot go out winning trophies year in, year out.

The fact a well-established PL coach, appointed by the man he respects most in football, is eager to succeed here and stay for the long term makes him a different kettle of fish to the various "flavour of the month" coaches we see floating around as potential replacements.

What Moyes-bashers don't seem to grasp is that Fergie took a risk in appointing Moyes. He could have gone for the obvious choice, a Mourinho or whoever else, but he took a risk like he did during his managerial career when he threw Macheda in against Villa, or Sheringham and Solskjaer against Bayern.

Risk taking is part and parcel of what this club stands for, and proper MUFC fans are willing to accept momentary lulls that will reap greater rewards in the end, ie. a stable coach with the same mindset as that of our best ever manager.

Why would every coach struggle in the post Sir Alex period? Do you honestly think Mourinho would have us sitting in 7th place?

It took Sir Alex years to rebuild the club as the club needed rebuilding, last summer, the club is one of the best run clubs in the world with a sizeable transfer budget that did not need rebuilding, a couple of decent signings and we'd have been on our way.

Why would any manager appointed not be 'eager to succeed'? What evidence do you have the Mourinho would have walked out after a few season? Where exactly do you expect him to go?

What Moyes-apologists don't seem to grasp is that Sir Alex had made plenty of mistakes over his career and one of his biggest strengths is that he's ruthless and corrects his mistakes, like when he got rid of Taibi in a heartbeat, like when he threw out club captain/legend Keano. Never let sentiments rule your heart...

Mismanagement and sentimentality should not be what this club stands for, and whilst I respect your freedom to share your views on Moyes, FUC* OFF with you "proper MUFC fans" jibe.

Also, same mindset as Sir Alex? Can you even imagine Sir Alex "hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"? Sir Alex was like "My mission is to knock them off their fuc*ing perch". Spot the difference?

Their only similarity is their nationality, even their accent is quite different.

 

[Nani Nana]

Why would every coach struggle in the post Sir Alex period? Do you honestly think Mourinho would have us sitting in 7th place?

It took Sir Alex years to rebuild the club as the club needed rebuilding, last summer, the club is one of the best run clubs in the world with a sizeable transfer budget that did not need rebuilding, a couple of decent signings and we'd have been on our way.

Why would any manager appointed not be 'eager to succeed'? What evidence do you have the Mourinho would have walked out after a few season? Where exactly do you expect him to go?

What Moyes-apologists don't seem to grasp is that Sir Alex had made plenty of mistakes over his career and one of his biggest strengths is that he's ruthless and corrects his mistakes, like when he got rid of Taibi in a heartbeat, like when he threw out club captain/legend Keano. Never let sentiments rule your heart...

Mismanagement and sentimentality should not be what this club stands for, and whilst I respect your freedom to share your views on Moyes, FUC* OFF with you "proper MUFC fans" jibe.

Also, same mindset as Sir Alex? Can you even imagine Sir Alex "hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"? Sir Alex was like "My mission is to knock them off their fuc*ing perch". Spot the difference?

Their only similarity is their nationality, even their accent is quite different.

There were plenty of issues in last season's side, we were one RVP-injury away from cataclysm. Ageing defence, short in central midfield.

I don't think Mourinho would have had us 7th, but nothing says he would have won the league either. And even if he did, what next? Say he won the league this season. And next season. And then what? You think he'd have made us win it for five consecutive years?

There's considerable evidence pointing to the fact Mourinho would not have been here for the long term, and instant success would actually have hastened his eventual departure as it has done in other clubs. When it comes to long-term success with one single side, Mourinho has no track record.

It's one thing to instill short-term motivation to a side, but another to keep motivation levels high over a period of years.

I was also keen for Mourinho to take over from Ferguson because I'm a big fan of his. But what I cannot stand is so-called fans making the Moyes appointment something it is not, and blaming the judgment of our best ever manager. Moyes coming in was not co-option, it was a gamble, a risk like so many taken by Ferguson throughout his career (most of them paying off). Risk-taking is what we're about, so I'm sticking with Moyes especially after some of our recent outings.

 

[Enigma_87]

Because any coach would have struggled to handle the Post-Ferguson transition period, and Moyes has shown in glimpses he can be successful long-term.

Some of us know how long it took to build this club, and that you cannot go out winning trophies year in, year out.

The fact a well-established PL coach, appointed by the man he respects most in football, is eager to succeed here and stay for the long term makes him a different kettle of fish to the various "flavour of the month" coaches we see floating around as potential replacements.

What Moyes-bashers don't seem to grasp (some even speak of Scottish co-option) is that Fergie took a risk in appointing Moyes. He could have gone for the obvious choice, a Mourinho or whoever else, but he took a risk like he did during his managerial career when he threw Macheda in against Villa, or Sheringham and Solskjaer against Bayern.

Risk taking is part and parcel of what this club stands for, and proper MUFC fans are willing to accept momentary lulls that will reap greater rewards in the end, ie. a stable coach with the same mindset as that of our best ever manager.

Glimpses? What glimpses?

Moyes was never up for the job and should've never been on the shortlist. Fergie's possible appointments before were regarded being O'Neill and Sven. If that is not a signal that he shouldn't ever had been making the choice of success dunno what is.

Fact is he's an average manager with the only difference from Big Sam and Pulis type of manager is that he's Scottish. That's about it. He's a nothing burger in terms of achievements. He'd be fired even if he had similar results with Norwich or Spurs. I genuinely think United is the only team in the world he could ever be in the job come April.

Do you think Pool should've given Hodgson and Dalglish more time to come good? Are they not in a better position now with Rodgers?

 

[Dracula]

Because any coach would have struggled to handle the Post-Ferguson transition period, and Moyes has shown in glimpses he can be successful long-term.

Some of us know how long it took to build this club, and that you cannot go out winning trophies year in, year out.

The fact a well-established PL coach, appointed by the man he respects most in football, is eager to succeed here and stay for the long term makes him a different kettle of fish to the various "flavour of the month" coaches we see floating around as potential replacements.

What Moyes-bashers don't seem to grasp (some even speak of Scottish co-option) is that Fergie took a risk in appointing Moyes. He could have gone for the obvious choice, a Mourinho or whoever else, but he took a risk like he did during his managerial career when he threw Macheda in against Villa, or Sheringham and Solskjaer against Bayern.

Risk taking is part and parcel of what this club stands for, and proper MUFC fans are willing to accept momentary lulls that will reap greater rewards in the end, ie. a stable coach with the same mindset as that of our best ever manager.

There were plenty of issues in last season's side, we were one RVP-injury away from cataclysm. Ageing defence, short in central midfield.

I don't think Mourinho would have had us 7th, but nothing says he would have won the league either. And even if he did, what next? Say he won the league this season. And next season. And then what? You think he'd have made us win it for five consecutive years?

There's considerable evidence pointing to the fact Mourinho would not have been here for the long term, and instant success would actually have hastened his eventual departure as it has done in other clubs. When it comes to long-term success with one single side, Mourinho has no track record.

It's one thing to instill short-term motivation to a side, but another to keep motivation levels high over a period of years.

I was also keen for Mourinho to take over from Ferguson because I'm a big fan of his. But what I cannot stand is so-called fans making the Moyes appointment something it is not, and blaming the judgment of our best ever manager. Moyes coming in was not co-option, it was a gamble, a risk like so many taken by Ferguson throughout his career (most of them paying off). Risk-taking is what we're about, so I'm sticking with Moyes especially after some of our recent outings.

Couple of things here I can't let go.

What glimpses has moyes shown that would suggest long term success? I don't mean to be facetious, but I genuinely can't think of one. The only relative success ( as opposed to the rest of the season) was getting to QF of europe. We had the easiest group and by far the easiest knockout round which he almost managed to screw up. By the time we met a team half decent we got well spanked. It's not as if we went toe to toe with munich, it was just defend defend and see what we get. We defended pretty well, but that's not enough for a team of this quality sorry.

Unless you meant success before he came to utd? Fortunately martinez has shown that for the myth it was.

As for mourinho, I dont like the guy but I also don't like the myth that he just goes from one club to another after little success. It simply isn't true.

Leaving porto for Chelsea. .. Sorry but of course he would, he knew he had taken them as far as he could go and the team was about to be dessimated. He then got sacked by chelsea, he didn't want to leave, hed still be there now from the first time if he wasn't sacked. For leaving inter, again, you cant compare managing an old inter side with the chance to manage madrid and get his career back to where it was going before he got sacked by chelsea. For madrid? My god that place was a circus and he was clearly pushed out. Again, if he was able to have his way as most managers are hed still be there now, why leave?
He wants to be the most successful manager ever, why would he care if thats at one club for the rest of his career? He will, like any other manager in the world leave for a better team with better prospects, moyes is no different, no manager is

 

[LonelyFire]

I would imagine not knowing what the glazers are thinking is the case. They can't afford any leaks due to how it could cause volatility in their share price therefore any discussions had would required non-disclosure agreements.

It actually makes the end of the season that much more interesting because it could go either way.

Why would Steve Bates think he has the summer and if no improvement by September he is in real trouble? Would it not make sense if there is doubt to give a new manager the summer? Or is he suggesting he is in real trouble but would probably get sacked closer to christmas?

Bates believes club will support him but not only expect improvement - expect the title (such is the level of investment this summer). His suggestion is they expect immediate results. Problem is (and he admits this) if already thinking that way then good chance he goes now as they couldn't get a top manager after the season starts.

Glazers will keep this close to their chest. Nobody will know and the hacks know this. Personally, I think he's gone.

 

[LonelyFire]

They playing style is quite different as well.

To be fair I don't think Moyes is better manager than Pulis. Pulis did a great job with Stoke, promoting them, then going to the FA cup final, knockout stages of Europa League and that with worse squad with limited budget. He's also doing pretty well with Crystal Palace.
He has the same credentials like him for the United job, except being Scottish...

Agreed. I'm just sick of this "Moyes built that team and Martinez hasn't had to do much" opinion. He's changed half the starting line up and completely revamped their style - in other words an overhaul!

 

[Ubik]

Bates believes club will support him but not only expect improvement - expect the title (such is the level of investment this summer). His suggestion is they expect immediate results. Problem is (and he admits this) if already thinking that way then good chance he goes now as they couldn't get a top manager after the season starts.

Glazers will keep this close to their chest. Nobody will know and the hacks know this. Personally, I think he's gone.

Agreed all round on that. It's the only logical reaction to this season.

 

[A1X]

What Moyes-bashers don't seem to grasp (some even speak of Scottish co-option) is that Fergie took a risk in appointing Moyes. He could have gone for the obvious choice, a Mourinho or whoever else, but he took a risk like he did during his managerial career when he threw Macheda in against Villa, or Sheringham and Solskjaer against Bayern.

But this hasn't turned into one of those. It's turned into a "let's play Taibi in goal against Southampton" risk.

BTW, how is throwing on all your strikers in the last 5 minutes of a cup final when you're 1-0 down a "risk"? 99% of managers do it all the time they're faced with such a scenario.

 

[Mihajlovic]

If you'd ask any European top teams to name their top three or top five coaches they'd want to manage their clubs, I just can't think of anyone naming a dude called David Moyes. So, either we at United are the only species that knows something no other football intelligence in the universe knows, or we have suffered an over night mental disorder, delusionally jumping up and down on a sinking ship all happy that our feet are still dry, or there is some abhorrent conspiracy to destroy and turn United into a mid-table club, and Moyes was basically the perfect choice for the inside job.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

"hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"

 

[Phil]

Did anyone answer what glimpses Moyes has shown?

 

[Moz]

Did anyone answer what glimpses Moyes has shown?

He hasn't shown any as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Julian Denny]

It makes no sense to "see what happens in the summer", to "see if there's any improvement by September, December or whatever". What then? Potential replacements like Van Gaal will be safely ensconced elsewhere. We cannot afford to have a caretaker in for what would be the bulk of next season. I mean is this the height of the club's ambition in the short term? Moyes needs to be shown the door now so that a proper and far better qualified replacement can be put into the job to take charge of the rebuilding in the summer. Is it really feasible that the Glazers are going to give Moyes 100m, 150m and then see what happens? Surely not.

 

[Leg-End]

Did anyone answer what glimpses Moyes has shown?

No because there is no answer. If you really want to dig deep and clutch at straws you can point at signing Mata and installing some iPads.

 

[#07]

The score at Anfield right now is making me want to see the back of Moyes more than ever. Liverpool are going to be back on their perch within a year of Fergie's retirement. 27 years to knock them off their perch...and now this? Bet you Everton will finish fourth too. Horrendous season. Just as a consequence of Liverpool becoming champions of England again Moyes should get the sack.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

"hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"

Yep that doesn't look like a great quote right now.

 

[LARulz]

"hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"

That quote still bugs me. For that alone I want him gone.

 

[Moz]

The score at Anfield right now is making me want to see the back of Moyes more than ever. Liverpool are going to be back on their perch within a year of Fergie's retirement. 27 years to knock them off their perch...and now this? Bet you Everton will finish fourth too. Horrendous season. Just as a consequence of Liverpool becoming champions of England again Moyes should get the sack.

Hear, hear!

In fact, even if by some twist of fate they don't win the league, he should get the sack. Every other team I've watched this season regardless of level appears more cohesive, better organised and more spirited than we have all season.

 

[Pexbo]

I really do wish he'd just feck off and leave our club alone.

 

[All 3 United]

Liverpool(if) winning the league proves it's not all about the players quality but haveing a manager with a plan, tactics and adaptability.

If you looked at the squads this year or even last year (to a lesser degree) the best squad did not win the league.

Moyes is never going to deliver consistent success, he should be sacked as soon as it's mathematically impossible for 4th place.

We need a manager to get the most out of the players we have not a manager that says, we need to replace the whole squad, so we can reach the levels of Manchester City.

 

[Big Papi]

"hoping to try and aspire to be at City's level"

Isn't that what Fergie and Gary Neville were saying back in the mid-noughties about Chelsea, when a 1-0 lead to Chelsea almost inevitable meant a win? If there is a team that is setting the standard, well that's what you aim for.

I think Moyes, once out of the glare of the season, will reflect upon this and come back with a more steeled approach next year. Six years bedamned. He'll show you all in year2.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

The season Fergie steps down and Liverpool is crawling back to their perch.

Typical

 

[#07]

Isn't that what Fergie and Gary Neville were saying back in the mid-noughties about Chelsea, when a 1-0 lead to Chelsea almost inevitable meant a win? If there is a team that is setting the standard, well that's what you aim for.

I think Moyes, once out of the glare of the season, will reflect upon this and come back with a more steeled approach next year. Six years bedamned. He'll show you all in year2.

Clearly the pain of seeing Liverpool take a massive step towards the title has triggered some kind of psychological episode, if you genuinely believe Moyes is the man to take Utd forward. He'll go down with McGuiness, O'Farrell and Sexton as a failed manager unappreciative of flair who was always destined to fail.

 

[bobbyf]

I think Moyes, once out of the glare of the season, will reflect upon this and come back with a more steeled approach next year. Six years bedamned. He'll show you all in year2.

Rubbish. Will he also be finishing behind Everton again, his former club with much less resources? He hasn't shown anything to prove he is capable of managing our team and does not deserve to continue in the job. Get rid.

 

[prateik]

People getting mad at Moyes because Liverpool are having a great season

I think he'll have a much better second season.

 

[Tyrion Lannister]

The season Fergie steps down and Liverpool is crawling back to their perch.

Typical

I kinda wish people would stop calling it "their" perch.

 

[LonelyFire]

People getting mad at Moyes because Liverpool are having a great season

I think he'll have a much better second season.

All the money in the world won't give the man a philosophy/plan. He's not cut out for a job. Good guy, decent manager....but not great.

We got it wrong. Time to deal with that.

 

[#07]

 

[Kaos]

People getting mad at Moyes because Liverpool are having a great season

I think he'll have a much better second season.

Moyes has gifted them an easy 6 points, and has us playing dour football as we float around 6th/7th place. Meanwhile the Scouse are going to win the league. Its a bitter pill to swallow.

Only positive thing that can be salvaged from this horrible, horrible season is if that clown is sacked so we can actually start to facilitate a proper rebuilding. No more excuses and accomodating mediocrity.

 

[LonelyFire]

Ha ha. See my post minutes ago!

 

[#07]

Ha ha. See my post minutes ago!

Yeah. Just saw it after I posted. Seems like everyone can see it apart from the powers that be at United..

 

[Cal?]

There were plenty of issues in last season's side, we were one RVP-injury away from cataclysm. Ageing defence, short in central midfield.

I don't think Mourinho would have had us 7th, but nothing says he would have won the league either. And even if he did, what next? Say he won the league this season. And next season. And then what? You think he'd have made us win it for five consecutive years?

There's considerable evidence pointing to the fact Mourinho would not have been here for the long term, and instant success would actually have hastened his eventual departure as it has done in other clubs. When it comes to long-term success with one single side, Mourinho has no track record.

It's one thing to instill short-term motivation to a side, but another to keep motivation levels high over a period of years.

I was also keen for Mourinho to take over from Ferguson because I'm a big fan of his. But what I cannot stand is so-called fans making the Moyes appointment something it is not, and blaming the judgment of our best ever manager. Moyes coming in was not co-option, it was a gamble, a risk like so many taken by Ferguson throughout his career (most of them paying off). Risk-taking is what we're about, so I'm sticking with Moyes especially after some of our recent outings.

So you think Sir Alex was lying when he said that he believed that he left a great squad with the right balance of youth and experience and he sees United to be successful for years to come? or do you think he didn't know what he was talking about?

Mourinho has quite 2 jobs to go to much bigger clubs, Porto -> Chelsea and Inter -> Real, just where do you think he'd go after United? He's already done the only club who can argue they're bigger than us, he'll never be welcome at the other ones who are comparable (Barca). So where?

 

[Kaos]

SAF was definitely a risk taker but not every one of his risks came through.

For every RVN signing there was a Hargreaves.

For every De Gea/VDS there was a Barthez/Carroll

His Barca 2008 tactics were spot on, 2009 not so much. You get the idea...

Unfortunately, Moyes is looking like one of those risks that have fallen in the 'miss' category.

 

[prateik]

Its funny that people are using Liverpool/Everton as examples because it fits the narrative. Arsenal with all their plan and philosophy win feck all. Chelsea and City are often the strongest bets for success.

I don't want us to turn into Chelsea.. but all you experts have to go on is less than a season of under-performance.
He might not be the man of the job long term..
No one is denying he and the club have severely under-performed this season..
Most here seem to think this is his ceiling, I think he'll do better next season.

I wouldnt be terribly upset if he left, but I'm not convinced he is a failure and don't "want him out" just yet.

I don't want to get sucked into this pointless argument. Most on the caf have made their mind up about Moyes. I haven't.

 

[Julian Denny]

Isn't that what Fergie and Gary Neville were saying back in the mid-noughties about Chelsea, when a 1-0 lead to Chelsea almost inevitable meant a win? If there is a team that is setting the standard, well that's what you aim for.

I think Moyes, once out of the glare of the season, will reflect upon this and come back with a more steeled approach next year. Six years bedamned. He'll show you all in year2.

Unfortunately that's all pie in the sky stuff. Moyes has never shown any aptitude for the job since arriving - absolutely nothing from tactics, leadership,motivation and even dealing with the media

People getting mad at Moyes because Liverpool are having a great season

I think he'll have a much better second season.

There is no shred of evidence for that, I'm afraid. In fact there is nothing in his entire managerial career to suggest that he's up to successfully managing a club like United. Lets face it, appointing Moyes was a huge error and it needs to be rectified sooner rather than later. Liverpool dealt with their Hodgson mistake pretty swiftly - why cant we do the same with Moyes?