I felt dirty having to cheer city on today. I hope moyes just gets lost for putting us in such a position.
Moyes So Far!
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I can see it in him.........
I didn't. I won't feel dirty cheering Chelsea in every game between now and then. I won't care who Liverpool are playing, I couldn't bear seeing the cnuts lifting the trophy....especially that kunt of kunts........
It's theirs to lose. Every team have defended like clowns against them, referees producing bottle jobs for them. Its ridiculous.
This Liverpool revival hasn't helped him at all, if there is one club that we don't want tearing ahead of us it's them.
The Everton game is getting bigger by the minute. A good performance and we can put a large part of our season down to underperformance (which can then be put down to a myriad of issues that have been discussed to death), but lose and we're back to square one, providing a large reality check to the position we find ourselves in.
The Everton game is getting bigger by the minute. A good performance and we can put a large part of our season down to underperformance (which can then be put down to a myriad of issues that have been discussed to death), but lose and we're back to square one, providing a large reality check to the position we find ourselves in.
Annoying that we gifted Liverpool 3 points in that game at OT - in what probably was Moyes' worst managerial performance so far.
The one fecking big game where we didn't lose 84-0 and it probably gifts Liverpool the title. Mourinho must be fuming he played for the draw.
I just hope it makes Fergie rethink the potential time he can give Moyes. We're in seventh and Liverpool are in first already - it's the worst possible scenario after Fergie leaving.
United to finish 6th and Liverpool to win the league....imagine being told that at the start of the season. Unreal.
What we witness tonight between the 2 teams, playing in a high level intensity, is something that we aspire to.... In moyes words.
Throw in a City Capital One Cup, Arsenal FA Cup and Chelsea CL to complete the worst case scenario?
The amount of times this has been said, with slight tweaks here and there, this season is ridiculous. It can't all be down to players underperformance, the players have to take a fair share of the blame yes but Moyes' comments over the past few weeks seems to indicate that he thinks he's blameless, like he was left a steaming pile of shite for a squad and that a "massive" rebuilding job was needed from the start. It wasn't. He's not been good enough, and nor have his methods.
I have absolutely no faith in him being able to sustain any sort of form we gather either in this match or others. His lack of in-game reaction is highlighted when we get put under pressure and concede and then he thinks swapping like for like players is going to solve the problem.
Another thing I find disturbing recently is the amount of people on here and elsewhere who have gone from saying all we needed was a couple of players in keys areas to saying we basically need a full new 11 is a joke. Like Gary Neville said, money won't solve all of our problems.
I've been easy on Moyes during the troubled times and I've defended on him here constantly (apart from the defeat against Olympiakos).
But seeing Liverpool win today and their potential rise to a title as soon - for some reason, that's actually made me want Moyes to go now. Rodgers has had a plan from day 1 at Liverpool, and even though Liverpool saw no success with it last season it was clear what he was trying to do. Moyes, feck - I have no idea what his philosophy or anything is with us. We have no identity in how we play and it doesn't seem he's learnt from much of his lessons.
Good performances against Bayern, but we sat back and attempted to counter for home and away legs. Of course Bayern are stronger than us, heck if Fergie was still in charge I'm sure we would have been thumped the same way, but it's not very "United" of us to sit back at home when it's usually a fortress. Taking a 1-1 into the away leg this season was considered a success, while previously it would have been uncharacteristic of us.
It's disappointing as I really did have hopes for Moyes. I thought he had similar hunger to Fergie and his drive would maintain the "want" the team had from last season. He should go, but he won't. He'll have until Christmas/next Summer to have another crack at it, but unless we seriously invest this Summer and Moyes somehow manages to conjure up a winning philosophy during the off-season, then I can't see him last much longer.
But seeing Liverpool win today and their potential rise to a title as soon - for some reason, that's actually made me want Moyes to go now. Rodgers has had a plan from day 1 at Liverpool, and even though Liverpool saw no success with it last season it was clear what he was trying to do. Moyes, feck - I have no idea what his philosophy or anything is with us. We have no identity in how we play and it doesn't seem he's learnt from much of his lessons.
Good performances against Bayern, but we sat back and attempted to counter for home and away legs. Of course Bayern are stronger than us, heck if Fergie was still in charge I'm sure we would have been thumped the same way, but it's not very "United" of us to sit back at home when it's usually a fortress. Taking a 1-1 into the away leg this season was considered a success, while previously it would have been uncharacteristic of us.
It's disappointing as I really did have hopes for Moyes. I thought he had similar hunger to Fergie and his drive would maintain the "want" the team had from last season. He should go, but he won't. He'll have until Christmas/next Summer to have another crack at it, but unless we seriously invest this Summer and Moyes somehow manages to conjure up a winning philosophy during the off-season, then I can't see him last much longer.
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Rodger also did not win anything before he arrive at Liverpool but the players respected him becos he got a clear plan on how to play... Positive football.
Compared to moyes, less said the better.
Compared to moyes, less said the better.
I've gotten to the stage that I actually hate him, it used to be I just hate the fact he's United manager, now I hate him, the person. 
First time ever for anyone associated with United...
First time ever for anyone associated with United...
Should have taken a point off Liverpool. That's the least he could have done for us!
Useless.
Useless.
I've gotten to the stage that I actually hate him, it used to be I just hate the fact he's United manager, now I hate him, the person.
First time ever for anyone associated with United...
How can we help ? Would a thread ban soothe your anxieties ?
This clear plan that he had last season, I don't remember it being seen that way at the time. He fecked about with the team all season, constantly changing tactics/formations. Some Liverpool supporters thought he was a complete buffoon and wanted him gone.
How can we get back to the CL next season when the current top 4 are playing at a level above us at the moment.... I can't see us improving much under moyes
The only people who can help seems to be the Glazers, I'll probably celebrate his sacking more than our title last season.That's the one thing I wanted to see this season, direction, or a vision if you like. What we've got though is a diluted version of United, negative, uninspiring, safe football with no clue as to where we will end up.
Regardless of the shockingly negative tactics and daft PR, the most single damaging thing he has done is turn a confident championship winning side into a demoralised, negative, slow side and has drained so many technically gifted players' composure.
The squad is more than good enough for top 4, more than good enough to challenge for the tittle. For gods sake you cant say the liverpool squad is as good as ours? What they have is a confident, proactive manager who has instilled such massive confidence in what is quite an average squad and made them believe they can beat anyone, and fair play to them for showing it can be done.
The team dont look like they know how to win, they have no confidence, no desire, no energy.
There's only one man to blame for that, and you dont need more than a year to show it
The squad is more than good enough for top 4, more than good enough to challenge for the tittle. For gods sake you cant say the liverpool squad is as good as ours? What they have is a confident, proactive manager who has instilled such massive confidence in what is quite an average squad and made them believe they can beat anyone, and fair play to them for showing it can be done.
The team dont look like they know how to win, they have no confidence, no desire, no energy.
There's only one man to blame for that, and you dont need more than a year to show it
Right, but you're simply just attributing loads of pro Moyes stuff to my post. I'd say that the few times I have posted in the footballing forums the last couple of months I have been rather negative about the situation.
Like most I've suffered through the false dawns here this season, but this time there feels like a genuine pressure to continue our decent run of late. Liverpool sprinting towards the title and Everton sustaining a top four run while playing some good stuff has only heaped the pressure on, that was the only point I was trying to make.
I've stated it before on here and still stand by it, but this was Mourinho's ultimate job, and he would have finished out his managing career at United (although he may have gone on coach at the international level before retiring). I could easily have seen him sticking around for 6-10 years.
This is exactly the point I've made for years before last summer, everything seemed to line up for us to get Mourinho when Sir Alex retired, and everything will be happily ever after...
Yes and I agree with you. The point I was emphasising was that when we've needed to kick on or show some bollocks Moyes blatantly hasn't. He's been a major let down. He hasn't learnt from his mistakes and he appears too stubborn to realise what he's doing is shite.
Fans have repeated the process in what you said in your first post, and that includes myself btw so I'm not saying it's just you but it's a bit late to be saying it IMO because I think we'd have already seen it if he was going to change.
Moyes has been absolute fecking disaster.
Argentina winning the World Cup is the only way it could get any worse than that.
This is exactly the point I've made for years before last summer, everything seemed to line up for us to get Mourinho when Sir Alex retired, and everything will be happily ever after...
Not only sticking around long term but developing a successor under his mentoring to take over, perhaps hiring Ole or instructing Giggs, or some other person he's worked with over the years (i.e. the next Clarke or Rodgers). This is the one area I felt SAF should have taken on - developing his successor over the past 2-4 seasons. A person already immersed into the culture and having been given certain reigns as SAF prepared to step down.
I didn't want Moyes to start with and I think very few did before he was appointed, for the obvious reasons that I didn't think he had it in him to succeed at a club like United - particularly United. Above all he had no record of success at any level let alone at the highest which should have been a fundamental pre-requisite for anyone's appointment to succeed Fergie. Nevertheless when he was appointed I was reluctantly prepared to go by Fergie's rallying call "support your new manager". That was all just about a year ago now. Since then all one's original concerns and fears about Moyes have been abundantly endorsed. It's been a mistake and it must be rectified sooner rather than later.
That'd be the icing on the cake.
I'm surprised he hasn't groomed a successor, but guess Sir Alex didn't want to give any indication of wanting to retire after the turnaround last time.
Moyes...
People getting mad at Moyes because Liverpool are having a great season
I think he'll have a much better second season.
If he has a much worse season we'll be in the relegation mire.
I'm not mad at Moyes because of Liverpool, I'm mad at Moyes because of us. We're fecking 7th. SEVENTH.
Oh, absolutely. Replacing Ferguson at United would have cemented his legend. In his eyes, anyway. It sickens me to think that the club, in all its pretentiousness, passed up such an opportunity.
First season in charge of Liverpool Souness finished sixth. He then decided to have a clear out of the veterans and brought in his own players...
...Liverpool then finished 6th again.
We aren't learning the lessons of history. Moyes is almost following the Souness roadmap to a tee, but we'll give him time. Just like the Scousers gave Souness time.
I wonder who will be Moyes' version of Nigel Clough and Julian Dicks. Can't wait to see how he spends over the summer...
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...Liverpool then finished 6th again.
We aren't learning the lessons of history. Moyes is almost following the Souness roadmap to a tee, but we'll give him time. Just like the Scousers gave Souness time.
I wonder who will be Moyes' version of Nigel Clough and Julian Dicks. Can't wait to see how he spends over the summer...
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Lallana and Baines by the look of things...
Lallana and Baines by the look of things...
If Everton get 4th, Baines won't come anywhere near United.
Moyes will blow his "warchest" on him, or maybe go after Shaw for months and see him end up at Chelsea...
I hope that Moyes isn't around to spend any of the "warchest." Is this the same warchest that Gill was telling us was available to Fergie for all those years? Maybe it's at the end of a rainbow and the Glazers have got scouts in Ireland desperately hunting down leprechauns.
Anything to see Moyes gone, I'd rather the Glazers keep the money and sack Moyes than see him spunk 100m or so and still have us languishing in 5th.
Watching Liverpool play attractive, fast, positive football on half our budget makes me unbelievably angry when I think about the farce of a season that Moyes has presided over.
We're in a fight to even get into the bloody Europa League and we have the pleasure of watching a cake of slow, tepid football with a £30m sprinkling of Maroune fecking Fellaini strutting about in our midfield.
The worst case scenario is that Moyes gets given another year, scrapes fourth and lowers aspirations such that is considered a massive success for us and the Glazers let him continue whilst the Champions League monies resume rolling in to line their pockets.
We're in a fight to even get into the bloody Europa League and we have the pleasure of watching a cake of slow, tepid football with a £30m sprinkling of Maroune fecking Fellaini strutting about in our midfield.
The worst case scenario is that Moyes gets given another year, scrapes fourth and lowers aspirations such that is considered a massive success for us and the Glazers let him continue whilst the Champions League monies resume rolling in to line their pockets.
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