There are times when playing a top player despite injury does pay off. But not when he's playing terrible and apparently "can't kick the ball".
Moyes So Far!
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Porto to Chelsea : Much bigger job
Chelsea: Sacked.
Inter to Real: Much bigger job
Real: Sacked.
I fail to see the problem here unless you want him to somehow stay even when sacked or think there are bigger clubs out there where he'd want to move.
Also, and I've said this on numerous occasions, what's the fascination with getting a very long term manager? Why's there a problem if a guy comes in, does well for say 5yrs and then moves on? Does Sir Alex being here this long mean we only look at candidates who'l give us 20yrs at the club? Why do you think we'd suffer if we saw a change of manager say every 4-5 years?
I really don't understand this argument. I didn't want Moyes to be our manager because i never believed (and i still don't) we would be able to challenge for the EPL and the CL under him. The times have changed and we have to compete, both domestically and in Europe, against clubs that are willing to spend more money than us in each and every transfer period.
The key to compete with these sugar daddy clubs is having a good manager. I don't know if Moyes will achieve in the next couple of seasons what he hasn't in his whole managerial career till now. The fact is that, right now, he is a midtable manager and he has turned us into a midtable club this season.
Last summer we had the chance to appoint one of the best managers in the world. So, after the season we had, Moyes' best defense line is that he is loyal and he is here to stay for many years, while Mourinho would leave after 3 years of success? If if that's the only thing we're looking for in a manager, then call Moyes and give him a 15 year contract. The Glazers should sign it with their blood! What else are we going to hear?
I would take 3 years of success with Mourinho over 6 years with Moyes out in the desert any day. You want to to take the risk of signing a manager who's willing to stay here for a long time? Get Klopp, Simeone, Van Gaal or anyone else who has actually won something, who has competed at the highest level and is known for playing modern football and give him the keys to the club. It's really that simple.
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So you're blaming him for leaving a club where's been sacked? What do you want him to do? Refuse to leave the premises? And what's wrong about moving to a bigger club? Surely that shows ambition? Porto to Chelsea and Inter to Real. Surely any manager in the world would make both these switches?
And Mourinho lasted three season at Real Madrid, how many managers in the last decade accomplished that feat ?
Exactly, maybe the club should offer me the job, I'd happily sign a 30yr contract.
Wasn't that when he said afterwards that he didn't take RVP because of how the fans would react?
The mans an absolute buffoon.
All this "could have pulled a rabbit out of the hat" excuse for playing Rooney, surely infringes on some kind of Nani owned copyright
That's the one.
Imagine if Arsenal got something like 2 wins, 2 draws and a loss in their last five yet United won all 5 beating them to fourth on goal difference.
Would you rather get fourth and have Moyes the manager for next season or not get fourth and have a new manager?
Would you rather get fourth and have Moyes the manager for next season or not get fourth and have a new manager?
Fourth with Moyes, at least when he gets sacked by Christmas there'd still be the chance we're in the Champions League.
Never gonna happen anyway, we'll lose another two I reckon.
Everton will likely beat us, it should be written in the stars for ex manager to go to Goodison and win but this is Moyes after all.
I am deeply worried about the Everton game. I think we could get stuffed.
Martinez has his lads playing with flair and, crucially, confidence. We are underdogs heading into this and that sickens me.
They were excellent against Arsenal last time out and looking quite unflustered today at Sunderland from the parts I've watched.
I am sure Moyes will have us fired up for that one although we shouldn't need firing up for a match against our rivals should we
Depends who's the new manager...
If any of Klopp, Simeone, Van Gaal, Ancelotti, I'd rather take the manager.
They would probably be the manager.
The thing is, we aren't going to win the champions league anyway. Had we one of those as the manager then I do not think we would struggle to attract players, such is their charisma they would turn the negative into a positive and simply say it means we will be favourites for the title.
Exactly, I'm willing to give up a year of CL games to see the back of Moyes.
Are you not concerned RVP, Chicharito and Kagawa might request transfers with Moyes there?
Not just that. Being out of the champions league takes all pressure off the manager and players, the judgement will be on the league alone. He will have ample time between games to prepare for matches and get his new system across, if we have Europa either the youngsters play or it is more like training in the sense it is seen as practice for the new system.
If the board are sure Moyes is their man to consistently deliver trophies then fine. If they have some doubt however, I would say now is the best time to get a new guy in. The pressure is off and this coming season will have the perfect platform to really drill the squad. Also, we would have a great chance of winning the league and if we did then that confidence would carry over to the season after.
The larger concern with Moyes presence is losing the influences of our living legends, Giggs and Scholes are a wealth of experience at every level, it would be a mistake to see them forced out just because he feels threatened by their characters. It will be akin to the Souness arrogance when he got rid of the old Liverpool boot room.
Ideal scenario would be we sneak 4th and still got a new manager, but I'm resigned to see us finish 7th and keep Moyes.
He really should go. He just seems to be the exact opposite of what a United manager should be, and I just can't see him changing who he is at this point of his career.
Just looking at the league table and we're NINE points behind Everton FFS. How can Moyes keep a straight face and claim that the squad strength is to blame? That is about as causal a link between manager and team performance that you can get, and we even took Fellaini off them too. Even if we weren't challenging this season, we should still be in the hunt for 4th. 5 games to go and we're not even in with a chance, unreal.
The Moyes apologists will tell you EVerton's position is 100% to do with Lukaku, poor Moyes having to make do with Van Persie and Rooney...
From another thread:
Palace have 33 points since Pulis took over at the end of November. United have 36. David Moyes. What a manager.
Also, Palace beat Chelsea.
Edit: counting is hard.
Palace have 33 points since Pulis took over at the end of November. United have 36. David Moyes. What a manager.
Also, Palace beat Chelsea.
Edit: counting is hard.
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But they have a better squad, or something... it's not his fault...
And what is that trying to prove?
We are having a poor season. No one is denying that.
Do you guys keep forgetting that an need a reminder every 10 minutes?
We are having a poor season. No one is denying that.
Do you guys keep forgetting that an need a reminder every 10 minutes?
Jesus.TBF to Moyes, we had tougher fixtures, had to play injured players, Fellaini best with his chest control, etc.
Let's not ever discuss anything, it's all available on the internet anyway.
Did we have tougher fixtures? I thought we had very tough fixtures to start the league with, according to Moyes...
Guess it was the injuries, or the dreadful squad Sir Alex left behind, and to think the old man had the cheek to say he left a great squad...
Look at Everton now that they're free of his negativity. Having him here is a fecking joke.
Everton are 9pts ahead of us with 5 games to go, guess it's because they have a better squad than ours...
But isn't it a younger squad though ? Ah shit, no it's not, it's actually fielded the oldest starting 11 this season after Fulham.
That our performances is marginally better than Crystal fecking Palace under David Moyes. With the reigning Champions. It's not a poor season. It could only dream of being poor. This season had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before it went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when it got home, its Dad and its mother would kill it and dance about on its graves singing Hallelujah.
It's because they loaned Lukaku, poor Moyes had to make do with the likes of Van Persie and Rooney, it's a miracle we're 7th and could go 6th after Spurs drawing today...
The board need to act on this. It's outrageous that's he's dragged the team down so much.
Get in............ Ah shite just realised we've got to beat a team in the top half to get to such hallowed ground. Nothing to see here.
Exactly, we should go spend 200m to buy an entirely new team in his image and "hopefully" "try" and "aspire" to qualify for the CL next season.
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