Moyes So Far!

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Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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That's his first interview. Thanks for bringing that up. Can just see the difference in the way Moyes has conducted himself so far and how Fergie did even back then. People say it does not matter what Moyes says during interviews. I don't necessarily disagree but if a person is absolutely positive to the players, he might as well be in the pressers as well.

Now I know that many will bring up Mourinho and his interviews, specially about the one where he is conceding the title. And I honestly cannot disagree that it is totally possible Moyes may be playing a similar game to Mourinho. Difference is, for me at least, that Mou is trying to take the pressure of the title chase off his players' shoulders while Moyes seems to be playing this underdog card in almost every presser he has been a part of.
 
Crono said:
August 1988:

“This isn’t just a job to me.” “It’s a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else — dramatically.”
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:drool: Thats the sort of stuff I want to hear
 
Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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SAF about Mourinho when he first came to Chelsea:

'I would never think a guy who hasn't played a game could be a top coach but then you've got to look at his personality. He's got a marvellous, strong personality and that bridges that gap.

'I remember his first press conference [at Chelsea, in 2004] and I thought: 'Christ, he's a cocky b******, him'. He was telling the players: 'Look, I'm the special one, we don't lose games.'
 
Crono said:
August 1988:

“This isn’t just a job to me.” “It’s a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else — dramatically.”
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Depressing. We replaced this winner with a total loser.
 
Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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Sure what Fergie actually meant was 'hopefully we've a real good chance' and 'I'm sure we'll try to do well'. After all he's cut from the same cloth as Moyes...

...right?
 
Empire said:
Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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Earlier in the season, various journalists were briefed that the club was prepared to treat this season as a one-off, "the perfect storm", but that Moyes had been told we had to be competing for the title next season. Part of the briefing included Moyes being informed that his over-deliberation on transfers had to stop. That was before the news that the client management staff at United were having a lot of difficult conversations with very unhappy commercial partners.
 
NK86 said:
That's his first interview. Thanks for bringing that up. Can just see the difference in the way Moyes has conducted himself so far and how Fergie did even back then. People say it does not matter what Moyes says during interviews. I don't necessarily disagree but if a person is absolutely positive to the players, he might as well be in the pressers as well.

Now I know that many will bring up Mourinho and his interviews, specially about the one where he is conceding the title. And I honestly cannot disagree that it is totally possible Moyes may be playing a similar game to Mourinho. Difference is, for me at least, that Mou is trying to take the pressure of the title chase off his players' shoulders while Moyes seems to be playing this underdog card in almost every presser he has been a part of.
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The difference is that everybody knows Mourinho actually believes he can win the title. He is taking the pressure off the players because he wants the Champions League too. There is a world of difference in handling pressure when your players are going for top four and when your players are in for the league and European cup double.

Privately we know Mourinho and his players believe; he is just directing the domestic media toward Liverpool and City and it worked I think because after the Crystal Palace loss had he not used those tactics, the media would have been talking about how it's the end of Chelsea's title race. That said, Mourinho beat them to it long ago.

One man has a plan and the other is going with the flow.
 
Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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Thank you for posting. What a calm and confident young man! Rather than the blood draining from his face (as Moyes himself said he reacted to being notified he was up for the job), Fergie says he was excited. Doesn't seem overawed at all-just ready to get on with it.

Before you jump on me for writing psycho-babble and reading too much into one short video, you have to admit that the contrasts between the two men are just unbelievable.
 
#07 said:
Sure what Fergie actually meant was 'hopefully we've a real good chance' and 'I'm sure we'll try to do well'. After all he's cut from the same cloth as Moyes...

...right?
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Ferguson thought so.
 
Empire said:
On another note.

Does anybody know how well Mourinho got on with Louis Van Gaal when he was his assistant at Barcelona? I heard Van Gaal always falls out with people so thought this was an interesting partnership.
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I remember reading they had a good working relationship, Van Gaal even let him be the ''manager'' for a few copa matches if i remember rightly.

Seem to still have a good relationship according to this:

http://espnfc.com/columns/story?id=788823&cc=5739
 
Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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Wow! Anybody would spot a massive difference between Fergie and Moyes through that interview alone. Thanks a lot for bringing this up. Again, it links straight back what the old Ray (M. Bobbins) guy said about the difference between a manager who feels confident enough so people would read a "I'm here and I belong here" attitude rather than a manager showing a "I'm so lucky to be here" attitude.

The more this keeps going, the only one of the new band I can see becoming successful would be Woodward and I would be more than happy if he does. He probably had his own woes, but his experience in a highly competitive environment (JP Morgan) can still prove to be useful and that probably showed itself already through the Mata signing and perhaps more to come. If any, I hope he will stamp his authority quickly if he knows that Moyes doesn't help the club any longer.
 
BennyBlanco said:
9 more days talking about Moyes before the next game, joy.
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Everton will basically play their game in hand over Arsenal tomorrow and will probably end up on top for that 4th spot at the end of the day. People will talk of Moyes because of the progress made by Everton since he left for us.
 
Danny1982 said:
SAF about Mourinho when he first came to Chelsea:

'I would never think a guy who hasn't played a game could be a top coach but then you've got to look at his personality. He's got a marvellous, strong personality and that bridges that gap.

'I remember his first press conference [at Chelsea, in 2004] and I thought: 'Christ, he's a cocky b******, him'. He was telling the players: 'Look, I'm the special one, we don't lose games.'
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He never played a game as a professional but he was trained from birth to be a manager. I honestly believe if given time at one club (e.g. 12 years as he wants) he could build one of the most dominant teams ever. And to think (from what is reported) he wanted to turn United into that club! Too bad he wasn't the gentleman Moyes was, otherwise Charlton would surely have not objected.

The Chelsea pressure was too much for him to be given time and he left by mutual consent, the best for all parties. He had to leave Inter to move to a bigger club like Real and as expected he got sacked, just like most would. I don't think such is an indicator he is lying when he says he wants 12 years at Chelsea before international.

His father was a footballer. Football was his life from the start and when his father became a coach he would observe training sessions and started scouting opposition teams. His father became a manager in 1976 so young Jose was watching them train and scouting opposition for them at 13 years of age, Guardiola was 5, Alex Ferguson had just entered football management!

He went on to work as an assistant to Robson, Van Gaal and Heynckes. Louis Van Gaal saw so much promise in him that he let Mourinho take charge of the first team for certain trophies apparently, being his assistant.

Mourinho's success is not dependant on his personality, that is merely a bonus that enhances his quality. His success comes from a lifelong devotion to being a great football manager.
 
Empire said:
He never played a game as a professional but he was trained from birth to be a manager. I honestly believe if given time at one club (e.g. 12 years as he wants) he could build one of the most dominant teams ever. And to think (from what is reported) he wanted to turn United into that club! Too bad he wasn't the gentleman Moyes was, otherwise Charlton would surely have not objected.

The Chelsea pressure was too much for him to be given time and he left by mutual consent, the best for all parties. He had to leave Inter to move to a bigger club like Real and as expected he got sacked, just like most would. I don't think such is an indicator he is lying when he says he wants 12 years at Chelsea before international.

His father was a footballer. Football was his life from the start and when his father became a coach he would observe training sessions and started scouting opposition teams. His father became a manager in 1976 so young Jose was watching them train and scouting opposition for them at 13 years of age, Guardiola was 5, Alex Ferguson had just entered football management!

He went on to work as an assistant to Robson, Van Gaal and Heynckes. Louis Van Gaal saw so much promise in him that he let Mourinho take charge of the first team for certain trophies apparently, being his assistant.

Mourinho's success is not dependant on his personality, that is merely a bonus that enhances his quality. His success comes from a lifelong devotion to being a great football manager.
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I actually quoted it for the "He was telling the players: 'Look, I'm the special one, we don't lose games.'" part, which relates to your point in the post I quoted.
 
Danny1982 said:
I actually quoted it for the "He was telling the players: 'Look, I'm the special one, we don't lose games.'" part, which relates to your point in the post I quoted.
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I know, I was just stating something very interesting about Mourinho. How one could argue the fact he wasn't a professional player might actually make him that much better as a manager. And him staying at Chelsea for 12 years is a scary idea for the rivals.
 
Saw this, got a chuckle. Apologies if previously posted.

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KeninDC said:
Before you jump on me for writing psycho-babble and reading too much into one short video, you have to admit that the contrasts between the two men are just unbelievable.
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You're right, they are. To be fair, it's easier to be cocky when you're taking over a massive club that hasn't been delivering success for a long time, and you've had some success, than when you're taking over the most successful club in the land and you haven't won anything. A perfect reversal of circumstances. Moyes probably feels he has to be cognisant of that when he talks to the media, for fear of looking ridiculous. Hopefully he'll learn to be a bit more bullish once he gets us functioning properly.
 
kundalini said:
That was before the news that the client management staff at United were having a lot of difficult conversations with very unhappy commercial partners.
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Call me naive, but I really struggle to accept we've had those sorts of conversations with commercial partners after a few months of disappointing results. Just seems like something that could happen long term, but so quickly? Maybe some journalist rushing a bit with that...
 
Empire said:


We've a real good chance.

I'm sure we'll do very well.

Both of those statements were more positive than what Moyes has said. And this was a man taking over a club (although top four level) that hadn't won the league in a very long time. Many had tried to replicate Sir Alexander Matthew Busby's success; everyone failed. The task was monumental and he could be forgiven for falling like the rest. There was no try and there was no hopefully. He went on to become the best.

I can understand the difference though. He had stopped the old firm dominance of La Scottish Liga; he had beaten Bayern and Real Madrid on the way to the UEFA Cup with Aberdeen. His confidence must have been sky high.

Woody did very, very well in JP Morgan therefore he must know a thing or two about the link between high levels of confidence and performance, it is possible behind the scenes David has told him he expects us to be challenging for the title next season and in turn Woody will make clear failure will be the end of him.
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And even Fergie would admit later that he felt a lack of confidence in his early days. He still knew how to talk the talk. I've said it once and I'll say it again - Moyes is proving time and time again to be our Hodgson. Forget about the football part. And it's not one or two quotes either - You can see from his quotes throughout the season, and even now, 11 months after Fergie told him the job was his, he still doesn't 'get it'. It's that simple, really.

I don't know what's going on through Woody's mind. He may be good at business, but I believe Kenyon was like that as well. Didn't help him. Football business is like no other business and there's tons of adjusting to be done there. I find it quite depressing not to be able to even guess what our board might do, what they might think. With Fergie and Charlton, we have a decent chance of understanding, but they're non executive. They may have a large part in the decision making or none at all. As for the rest, who knows.
 
Danny1982 said:
SAF about Mourinho when he first came to Chelsea:

'I would never think a guy who hasn't played a game could be a top coach but then you've got to look at his personality. He's got a marvellous, strong personality and that bridges that gap.

'I remember his first press conference [at Chelsea, in 2004] and I thought: 'Christ, he's a cocky b******, him'. He was telling the players: 'Look, I'm the special one, we don't lose games.'
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I'd love to find out eventually why Sir Alex didn't chose Mourinho, it's one of the great mysteries of the 21st century...
 
Cal? said:
I'd love to find out eventually why Sir Alex didn't chose Mourinho, it's one of the great mysteries of the 21st century...
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No mystery at all. Mourinho is a "here today, gone tomorrow" manager. After a season or two he gets fed up and moves on.
 
Rednotdead said:
No mystery at all. Mourinho is a "here today, gone tomorrow" manager. After a season or two he gets fed up and moves on.
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He started a FOURTH season at Chelsea and was sacked, he didn't quit. We always talked about how he'll do a European round before coming back to the league he really likes and he's done that. There were decent indications his next job in England could see him stay for quite a while, certainly enough for me to put the longevity issue to one side when choosing the manager. If it fell on that issue, it's sad.
 
Rednotdead said:
No mystery at all. Mourinho is a "here today, gone tomorrow" manager. After a season or two he gets fed up and moves on.
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Let's see how much he wins at Chelsea in this spell versus Moyes's spell with us.
Could be ugly to compare!
 
Rednotdead said:
No mystery at all. Mourinho is a "here today, gone tomorrow" manager. After a season or two he gets fed up and moves on.
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I'd rather have a top manager for the short term than an average one for the long term.
 
Sam said:
I'm sorry, but this hasnt been given the attention it deserves.

He's openly admitting that Rooney basically couldn't play football, yet not only started him, but kept him on for the full 90 minutes? Thats utterly disgraceful and cowardly management. Utterly depressing that this man manages United. Can you imagine any other manager doing what Moyes has done with Rooney tonight? Pathetic.
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He's openly admitted keeping injured/unfit players on before. Doesn't surprise me any more.

The RVP thing, I'll never forget. A visibly unfit player should overruled and not play/be taken off when they're a hinderance rather than helpful as we've found with Rooney and RVP at times this season.
 
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