Moyes So Far!

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Pogue Mahone said:
Why on earth would Mike Phelan be critical of United under Moyes?
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He wasn't really that critical of moyes at all to be honest, he was asked by keys something along the lines of will moyes lose the fans unless he can start winning trophies next season.

To which Phelan replied most fans (i assumed match going fans) in his opinion would be more concerned with Moyes getting the team playing good football than winning trophies.

Other than that he was pretty diplomatic, had a few opportunities to stick the knife in but didn't.
 
NK86 said:
Lahm started at RB but he was mostly playing in midfield. That's why Welbeck had all the space to run into on their right flank.
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They weren't playing with fullbacks at all at the start, which actually neutered them somewhat. Going to a more traditional formation with real fullbacks and Lahm in the centre just worked a lot better.
 
I'm now starting to think he will be gone. The season has been a clusterfeck of disasters from start to finish, our football is dire, our moral is as low as I care to remember, but most importantly, the clubs wallet has been damaged.
The rumours that Fergie is cutting all ties with the club, and that he will have no say over the future of Moyes leads to believe that the board made their mind up done time ago.
His response yesterday when asked about his future was somewhat unconvincing.
 
NK86 said:
Lahm started at RB but he was mostly playing in midfield. That's why Welbeck had all the space to run into on their right flank.
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It was the same with Alaba on the left. when they had the ball, one of them dropped in at CM. But they looked much better once they had proper full backs with Lahm in the middle.
 
Getsme said:
I'm now starting to think he will be gone. The season has been a clusterfeck of disasters from start to finish, our football is dire, our moral is as low as I care to remember, but most importantly, the clubs wallet has been damaged.
The rumours that Fergie is cutting all ties with the club, and that he will have no say over the future of Moyes leads to believe that the board made their mind up done time ago.
His response yesterday when asked about his future was somewhat unconvincing.
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That's my thinking too. Keeping him on for next season is a big risk no matter how you look at it, and I don't think that'll escape the club higher-ups.
 
finneh said:
As an aside on Talksport this AM they were in agreement that Moyes needed £250m in the Summer to buy a new first choice back 4, a new forward player and a couple of new midfielders. What other manager on the planet is given nearly £325m to take a title winning squad back to title challenging?
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Haha yeah caught that myself, its all getting absolutely ridiculous now, if he was managing any other club it would probably universally be accepted by now he was doing a fecking awful job.

But any opportunity to stick the knife into uniteds squad and by association Ferguson is taken with glee, and if it helps keep moyes at united to continue our downward spiral all the better.
 
Take Talksport seriously no not really, but almost every pundit is saying similar in terms of our squad.

Pogue Mahone said:
Surely nobody takes anything Talkshite say or do seriously?

Or do we conveniently decide to repeat their nonsensical claims so long as it gives us chance to put the boot into Moyes?
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KiD MoYeS said:
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This is the moment you knew we were dead and buried.
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just hoping he would stand up and shout at the players, motivate them or whatever you have to do to get a goal back. instead he was sitting hopeless on the bench like that. it was a priceless picture moment for the haters for sure.

want him to succeed but...
 
Varun said:
It was the same with Alaba on the left. when they had the ball, one of them dropped in at CM. But they looked much better once they had proper full backs with Lahm in the middle.
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Exactly what I was getting at.
 
He was always out on the touchline. Perhaps he was taking a few moments out to consider the options. Thats obviously a load of bollocks though because it doesn't fit the agenda on here.
 
botond said:
what a strange and pointless comparison
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Not really, this is another example of people seeing what they want to see, there are plenty of things to criticise Moyes for but every expression on his face, every word he utters, is cited as evidence that he isnt good enough to be our manager. Im just making the point that our former, brilliant manager also had moments where he looked utterly dejected on the touchline. I remember it because there was a conversation about whether it was the face of a man who had finally accepted he wasnt going to win the CL again.
 
ricky-romeo said:
just hoping he would stand up and shout at the players, motivate them or whatever you have to do to get a goal back. instead he was sitting hopeless on the bench like that. it was a priceless picture moment for the haters for sure.

want him to succeed but...
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He was doing that most of the match to be fair, cameras caught him when he was there on the bench stagnated like this.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely nobody takes anything Talkshite say or do seriously?

Or do we conveniently decide to repeat their nonsensical claims so long as it gives us chance to put the boot into Moyes?
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It was an example of the media being unbelievably kind to him all season. I've never heard the media ever say a manager needs over £300m to get a squad to finish the same position it did under a previous manager the season before.

In fact the media suggested that AVB should be comfortably in the top 4 after selling their best player and spending that money and £20m more. It's inane.
 
There are so many things that people can fairly criticise Moyes for, it seems odd to undermine your point by focussing on every element of his body language and press conferences. If you want proof that he shouldn't be out manager, you need look no further than the fact we're not very good at playing football with him in charge.
 
Brophs said:
There are so many things that people can fairly criticise Moyes for, it seems odd to undermine your point by focussing on every element of his body language and press conferences. If you want proof that he shouldn't be out manager, you need look no further than the fact we're not very good at playing football with him in charge.
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I agree, however, when you need motivation that's the last thing you want to see sitting on the bench.
 
Getsme said:
I agree, however, when you need motivation that's the last thing you want to see sitting on the bench.
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While I agree that he should have done more than sitting like a lame duck; the players on the pitch should take responsibility of reminding everyone that the job isn't over. We didn't go to Munich to score a goal but to win a tie. School boy stuff was the right description for what happened after Evra scored.
 
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Brophs said:
There are so many things that people can fairly criticise Moyes for, it seems odd to undermine your point by focussing on every element of his body language and press conferences. If you want proof that he shouldn't be out manager, you need look no further than the fact we're not very good at playing football with him in charge.
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I stopped looking when he turned up on his first day with a grey tie. Completely out of his depth.
 
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I think from day 1 the issue has always been his relationship with Wayne and Robin. He has been firmly set on accomplishing what SAF realized he couldn't, to create a perfect 4-4-2 partnership from Rooney and RVP. Of course in theory that should have been beautiful, two top strikers who has both played out wide before, one playmaking striker and one pure goalscorer. It hasn't worked all year but the dreams of it working and finally clicking even had SAF charmed for a long time.

I think in one hand its positive his thing with poor results and now even media has turned on him and praised the Kagata partnership and hopefully that media pressure gets to him. I've always felt the media has been extremely nice on him by blaming the squad or the players for almost everything.

Hopefully he lets Kagawa, Mata and Rooney be the core of this squad and then he asks himself what these players needs around them to thrive. Because I can otherwise see another couple of Fellaini purchases. I think the error with the Fellaini purchase was that he had no clue himself what the hell he needed as he had no formation and strategy to go by - so he bought a DM/CM/AM as that covered most possibilities.
 
NK86 said:
Were you at the match yesterday?
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Nope, cameramen have shown him several times at the sideline shouting and moving players, it's that one pose that he did caught the most attention naturally. Taken out of the context one could think that he was a statue sitting in his seat for the whole match.
 
KM said:
You can but then not many managers will sub off your very best players in the biggest matches. Not even Fergie would do that.
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SAF threw Rooney in midfield, dropped him against Madrid and would probably have sold him had he remained this season as manager.

When Pep took over Barca, he made it clear that he didn't want Etoo', Ronaldinho and Toure (as confirmed by a recent interview with Etoo'). Not saying all fans agreed with these decisions but he took them.

When Mou took over Chelsea this season, he already knew the system he wanted to use and made the difficult decision of throwing Mata on the bench and eventually selling him.

Big managers make decisions like these whether the player/fans like it or not.
 
Getsme said:
I'm now starting to think he will be gone. The season has been a clusterfeck of disasters from start to finish, our football is dire, our moral is as low as I care to remember, but most importantly, the clubs wallet has been damaged.
The rumours that Fergie is cutting all ties with the club, and that he will have no say over the future of Moyes leads to believe that the board made their mind up done time ago.
His response yesterday when asked about his future was somewhat unconvincing.
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I also read that the class of '92 are also cutting their ties (e.g. Giggs not going to be offered a coaching role and Scholes has not been offered one till now despite hints earlier that he would?)

Which makes me believe that the exact opposite would happen i.e. the board will back Moyes

Admittedly the SAF moving to Harvard thing does not fit into it directly but perhaps he belatedly realized Moyes should go, but the board decided to stick by him?

The fact that Woodward has come out in support of Moyes and basically saying he will be given money to spend makes me think he will be here next season also

Pure speculation though
 
digitalnirvana said:
I also read that the class of '92 are also cutting their ties (e.g. Giggs not going to be offered a coaching role and Scholes has not been offered one till now despite hints earlier that he would?)

Which makes me believe that the exact opposite would happen i.e. the board will back Moyes

Admittedly the SAF moving to Harvard thing does not fit into it directly but perhaps he belatedly realized Moyes should go, but the board decided to stick by him?

The fact that Woodward has come out in support of Moyes and basically saying he will be given money to spend makes me think he will be here next season also

Pure speculation though
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One things for sure, we will know for certain over the next couple of months.
 
There will be an end of season review from the board, and I'm not sure how much they can assess Moyes on the next five games. I've no idea how patient the board are prepared to be, but Moyes must surely be worried.
 
Freak said:
What did he say?
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Instead of the usual the club have full faith and I'm not worried, he said "it's not my decision, my job is to....". Think there might have been something about champions league football by the end of the season in his contract. I hope so.
 
Freak said:
What did he say?
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When asked if he would still be here next year due to his failure to get Champions League football next season his response was 'that's not for me to decide, it's up to the board ' (or something along those lines)
 
KiD MoYeS said:
There will be an end of season review from the board, and I'm not sure how much they can assess Moyes on the next five games. I've no idea how patient the board are prepared to be, but Moyes must surely be worried.
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That's what I'm saying. It's all well and good backing him when we still have a chance of winning something, but when the dust settles and the reality of our season hits home, I can't see how he could survive.
 
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