Moyes So Far!

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I've actually warmed to him after Bayern tie. He had his tactics spot on in both legs and we have done better than expected.

That said I still want him gone at the end of season, he'll still be decent at trying to contain big teams but will ultimately struggle to win games because it's not been his main goal for most of his managerial career. We need a proven winner and he isn't one. He'll be delighted with 4th next season and we know it, it's not right.
 
sullydnl said:
I'd sooner criticise him for being inept rather than for not being able to answer questions about why he is so inept. If a load of journalists were constantly asking me why I was doing so badly in my job I'd probably start saying really stupid things too. This would be especially true if I didn't actually understand what I was doing wrong or how to fix it. That's the real problem, the way he deals with the media is just a reflection of how bad everything else has gone.

If he was doing better I genuinely think his media handling would massively improve. Unfortunately that almost certainly won't happen, the pressure will continue to build and he'll continue to say daft things. It really doesn't concern me when compared to his other flaws.
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That's true, my biggest issue with him are as follows:

1. The results
2. The hoof and cross
3. The alienating of our better (but not superstar) players

His media handling is way down the list, but still inpet, like the rest of what he's done..
 
He'll probably get some credit for setting us up well again, and so he should. But it's pretty much the easiest set-up that exists at this level, sit deep, keep your shape and as soon as you recover possession try the long ball behind the defence to whatever flank Welbeck is on.
I know plenty of people are dismissing this because of the quality of our opposition, but the fact is in every big match this season (i.e. against top teams) it's been the same story. We've been reactive, not kept possession, been put under pressure and ultimately paid the price in all but the Arsenal match at home where the strategy worked. To me, this indicates that we've got a lot more work to do than a couple of signings or a bit more time for Moyes. We're not going to challenge for the big titles by playing like this in every big match, we need to start building towards being able to play on an equal footing with these teams rather than somehow accepting that we're inferior, sitting deep and countering every time.
 
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This is the moment you knew we were dead and buried.
 
Leaving Rooney on has irritated the hell out of me. We complained about Fergie's substitutions, which were nearly always on 60-67 min, but Moyes waits even longer only to make stupid subs. :mad:
 
Pexbo said:
Then I read that Moyes hopes to get back into the Top 4 next season and I felt a searing anger go through me. For all this talk of buying superstars and he "hopes to get back in the Champions League". feck off back to Everton, you mediocre twat.
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Even his old club, where he's spent 10 years there, won't take him back. And it's Everton. And we are United.

And to think that some still want him here at United. I can't find nice words to describe these so called 'fans'.

Anyway, with us out of CL, his last chance to make people think that 'he might come good next season' has gone.
 
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Sir Matt said:
Leaving Rooney on has irritated the hell out of me. We complained about Fergie's substitutions, which were nearly always on 60-67 min, but Moyes waits even longer only to make stupid subs. :mad:
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My only guess for Rooney staying was the chance of a wonder goal from him. Any other match if would a been drag off around half time. Also to be fair to Rooney he was playing with a injury.
 
Sweet Square said:
My only guess for Rooney staying was the chance of a wonder goal from him. Any other match if would a been drag off around half time. Also to be fair to Rooney he was playing with a injury.
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He couldn't have scored a tap-in today, much less something good. There's no way Moyes would sub him off if we're losing. Moyes hasn't subbed him when we're losing all season. He's only taken him off 5 or 6 times this year, most of them when we were 2-3 goals up. If he's going to be the manager at United, he has to step up and take Rooney off when he's terrible. There've been a number of matches this season when he's been pants but stays on the entire game.
 
Spending a huge fortune on transfers will not grow him a set of balls needed to manage at this level . Last night his decisions in the game, especially the one go keep Rooney on, just highlighted what a poor fit he is for this club . This is also why we struggle in the big, tight games because his contribution from the bench is never positive .
 
kouroux said:
Never expected anything special. The real test will be how we finish the season despite there is nothing else to play for anymore. However our players will have the WC in their minds and will probably not want to injure themselves over pointless matches.
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To be fair, the real test has already passed. And he's been awful. Repeatedly.
 
He messed up big time by his handling of Rooney last night. Rooney was apparently struggling to kick the ball yet played the whole game even moving into midfield when we had to bring attackers on? How completely weird is that?
 
El-Manos said:
I don't blame him for tonight, picked the right team bar Rooney who was clearly unfit or still injured. Starting Rooney was a gamble which unfortunately did not pay off.Got the tactics pretty spot on though for most of the game in my opinion. If we were able to hold them at bay longer after scoring our first goal, we might have seen a different result. Or if Rooney actually contributed like he usually does and actually did something productive with the 2 decent chances that were given to him, could have been a different match. We made them sweat tonight I reckon, not entirely disappointed.
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If that is the sum total of expectations from United fans after just one season under Moyes, we are heading down a very wrong path.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
To be fair, the real test has already passed. And he's been awful. Repeatedly.
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I changed my tune a little after that post, I meant that if the big guys at the club wanted to use the remaining matches as a scale to judge Moyes on, then the Bayern return leg was fairly pointless. No one expected the team to beat them, it's the league and how we finish it that will hold more importance. Either way (winning all the remaining matches or losing them all), I hope Moyes is replaced.
 
This season will go down as one of the most ridiculous self inflicted wounds in football history, a monumental feck up from the moment they made that terrible decision to hire him. He wasn't the right man for the job, isn't the right man for the job, and never will be the right man for the job. No amount of time and money will cure the ills that he creates, hoping and supporting him won't turn him into a manager with the ability required of a top level manager.

David Moyes is not good enough to manage Manchester United, there's no shame in that. What is shameful, is for the people in charge of United to continue this farce beyond this season, it would be gross negligence. This idea that Manchester United don't sack manager is absolute bollocks, every manager we've had apart from Busby and Fergie has been sacked, and Moyes is no Busby or Fergie. He's a negative, conservative loser, his every act and thought is born out of fear, that type of character doesn't fit at United. United's history is built on fearlessness, and youthful attacking football, not cowering and hoping.

Just sack him and move on for christ's sake.
 
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kouroux said:
I changed my tune a little after that post, I meant that if the big guys at the club wanted to use the remaining matches as a scale to judge Moyes on, then the Bayern return leg was fairly pointless. No one expected the team to beat them, it's the league and how we finish it that will hold more importance. Either way (winning all the remaining matches or losing them all), I hope Moyes is replaced.
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I certainly hope not. There's not much to play for and I'm not sure whether the Europa league is a particularly good thing either. I'd probably be more confident of us getting into the champions league via a match sparse season ala Liverpool rather than going at all fronts, given how this season has gone.

I always held the opinion that he needs to get us into the top 4. Obviously in addition he's made us painful to watch and that's a stick I'm tempted to beat him with this very instance, but yeah, I would have said champions league football was the minimum, and in that context this result was possibly significant that those league games.

I'm not sure. All I know is that we agree in the last line. I just want the guy gone. This season has been a mess. He's done everything he could to plummet my already sub par opinion of him. All I want is to look forward to the next season with excitement and anticipation.
 
Erentz said:
This season will go down as one of the most ridiculous self inflicted wounds in football history, a monumental feck up from the moment they made that terrible decision to hire him. He wasn't the right man for the job, isn't the right man for the job, and never will be the right man for the job. No amount of time and money will cure the ills that he creates, hoping and supporting him won't turn him into a manager with the ability required of a top level manager.

David Moyes is not good enough to manage Manchester United, there's no shame in that. What is shameful, is for the people in charge of United to continue this farce beyond this season, it would be gross negligence. This idea that Manchester United don't sack manager is absolute bollocks, every manager we've had apart from Busby and Fergie has been sacked, and Moyes is no Busby or Fergie. He's a negative, conservative loser, is every act and thought is born out of fear, that type of character doesn't fit at United. United's history is built on fearlessness, and youthful attacking football, not cowering and hoping.

Just sack him and move on for christ's sake.
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It will probably be one football season that will studied in depth and used a reference point for so many aspects.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I certainly hope not. There's not much to play for and I'm not sure whether the Europa league is a particularly good thing either. I'd probably be more confident of us getting into the champions league via a match sparse season ala Liverpool rather than going at all fronts, given how this season has gone.

I always held the opinion that he needs to get us into the top 4. Obviously in addition he's made us painful to watch and that's a stick I'm tempted to beat him with this very instance, but yeah, I would have said champions league football was the minimum, and in that context this result was possibly significant that those league games.

I'm not sure. All I know is that we agree in the last line. I just want the guy gone. This season has been a mess. He's done everything he could to plummet my already sub par opinion of him. All I want is to look forward to the next season with excitement and anticipation.
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I mean it that if Moyes was to be judged (not by but by the owners for instance) on the last few games of the season then the Bayern ones wouldn't hold any importance. Like I said, if it were up to me, I'd thank him for his services and wish him good luck at his future club.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I certainly hope not. There's not much to play for and I'm not sure whether the Europa league is a particularly good thing either. I'd probably be more confident of us getting into the champions league via a match sparse season ala Liverpool rather than going at all fronts, given how this season has gone.

I always held the opinion that he needs to get us into the top 4. Obviously in addition he's made us painful to watch and that's a stick I'm tempted to beat him with this very instance, but yeah, I would have said champions league football was the minimum, and in that context this result was possibly significant that those league games.

I'm not sure. All I know is that we agree in the last line. I just want the guy gone. This season has been a mess. He's done everything he could to plummet my already sub par opinion of him. All I want is to look forward to the next season with excitement and anticipation.
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Oh Amol, why are you doing this to yourself? The highlight of the next season will be the WC preceding it.
 
NK86 said:
Oh Amol, why are you doing this to yourself? The highlight of the next season will be the WC preceding it.
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True. That's all I'm looking forward to. I'll muster up some hope at the start of next season putting faith in our players and shiny new signings and then David Moyes will remind me to get real within a couple of months.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It will probably be one football season that will studied in depth and used a reference point for so many aspects.
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I personally don't know why there are people that can't accept that he is not a top level manager.

You could give him all the money in the world, he just isn't up to it.

He should of been fired before Christmas, we have wasted a season, and alienated players who didn't deserve it.
 
I've always maintained that Moyes should leave if we don't finish in the top 4. Now that our season is effectively over the club hierarchy should be looking at potential replacements whilst waiting to give him a dignified exit in May. I just don't see how he can inspire the team to previous heights or thereabout even with £200m worth of new signings. His team, selections, tactics, training methods, motivational skills are below standard. But knowing United we will put up with mediocrity just because we are not Chelsea who fire managers for fun. It's going to be a fun 6 years. Good thing Woodward got in all the sponsors before we became shit.
 
mic.m said:
I've always maintained that Moyes should leave if we don't finish in the top 4. Now that our season is effectively over the club hierarchy should be looking at potential replacements whilst waiting to give him a dignified exit in May. I just don't see how he can inspire the team to previous heights or thereabout even with £200m worth of new signings. His team, selections, tactics, training methods, motivational skills are below standard. But knowing United we will put up with mediocrity just because we are not Chelsea who fire managers for fun. It's going to be a fun 6 years. Good thing Woodward got in all the sponsors before we became shit.
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Like you could possibly know that. I'm not saying you are wrong, but there is no evidence (real concrete evidence) to show that. He should be given to Christmas next season I think. If we are not top 4 at that point though, then a change will have to be made.
 
ZDwyr said:
Like you could possibly know that. I'm not saying you are wrong, but there is no evidence (real concrete evidence) to show that. He should be given to Christmas next season I think. If we are not top 4 at that point though, then a change will have to be made.
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I know his former players at Everton prefer Martinez's methods better. I know his methods have more emphasis on fitness and conditioning and less training with the ball. As for his motivational skills before he came teams like Fulham, Newcastle, Westbrom, Sunderland would have collapsed at OT even if they were leading with a few minutes left. So you'd rather have the manager fire midseason after spending money than looking for a new manager at the end of this season and giving him support.
 
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On the subject of Rooney, perhaps we you shouldn't blame Moyes entirely for doing everything to get him onto the field and trying to keep him there. One of the few players who can suddenly turn a game for this United side. However, the whole thing, as well as the ultimate capitulation despite a brave effort, further demonstrates the lack of proper investment in the team over several season now. With no top European football on offer and possibly limited funds too, radical re-building is going to be problematic. No doubt Moyes will get his "more time" but on balance it would be better to make a fresh start with a better qualified and more suitable manager who can also bring in a better qualified and more suitable coaching staff.
 
ZDwyr said:
Like you could possibly know that. I'm not saying you are wrong, but there is no evidence (real concrete evidence) to show that. He should be given to Christmas next season I think. If we are not top 4 at that point though, then a change will have to be made.
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The performance of the players is evidence enough.

They nose dived in performance the day he took over.

In fact, everything nose dived the day he took over, I don't know how much more evidence you need.
 
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