Real Madrid have been so struggling to find any manager to agree to manage them... and Chelsea too...
Oh wait...
Moyes So Far!
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Real Madrid have been so struggling to find any manager to agree to manage them... and Chelsea too...
Oh wait...
As good as he was/is, Carrick rarely travels past a man with the ball at his foot. Thus if carrick doesn't feel comfortable going back to get the ball in a congested area, he won't - he'll stand there. Resulting in raised hands and a hoof from Rio or Smalling.
We all know about Cleverley - He lacks belief in his technique. So again unless he's 100% sure he's got room to turn, he's not making himself available. And when he does get it, he's worried he'll lose it, so he offloads it - often passing it straight back, choosing the wrong pass, or one that puts us under pressure.
The team don't seem to trust Fellaini as it is right now. And he does himself no favours. He's slightly better at showing for the ball than Cleverley, but again he can't do a thing under any pressure, and he knows it and the others know it - so they often don't bother giving it to him.
Contrast that to Scholes (or potentially Gundogan) - They all knew that Scholes could control a chest height ball as well as a regular pass. They all knew Scholes could go past a man if he needed to. They knew Scholes could take the ball with two men near him and still keep possession. Scholes' technique (and belief in his technique) meant he never went hiding. The likes of Smalling at right back wouldn't be stood there isolated because Cleverley doesn't want the baton passed to him. He'd have Scholes there confident in his technique under pressure.
It sets the tone for the whole team. Centre midfield is so crucial. I personally am willing to give Moyes the chance to sort the midfield out for that reason. If then he fails, so be it.
Carrick rarely goes forward because he fears that he'll fall off the end of the world.
Don't get your hopes up, hes here into next season, you all know it deep down, the only thing we can hope for is he doesn't feck up in the summer and do serious longterm damage to our squad/transfer funds.
Can't wait to see Sir David lift the PL/CL trophies in a few years time and tell everyone "I told you so" 
Yeah, that's true enough. Fingers crossed the board are sensible anyway, it'll be some point over the next month and a bit.
Can't wait to see Sir David lift the PL/CL trophies in a few years time and tell everyone "I told you so"
Alternatively we end up praying Jose does his job every season to stop City & Pool whilst we languish miles behind because of fuc*ing David Moyes.
Now I understand why the Liverpool fans all loved Arsenal back in the early 00s.
Can't wait to see Sir David lift the PL/CL trophies in a few years time and tell everyone "I told you so"
Didn't realise Moyes plays football manager on the Ipads he ordered.
I was just think how Moyes staying at Everton for so long has hurt him a bit. It hasn't allowed him to evolve his style or tactics, he should've left and try to improve himself.
Can't wait to see Sir David lift the PL/CL trophies in a few years time and tell everyone "I told you so"
Do they still let you do that on the stadium tour?
That's how I always felt while he was at Everton. Felt he should have moved to a club in Europe and developed his knowledge of the game further.
It was always easy for him to stay at Everton, earning a high salary in a job he was never going to get fired from.
Could have been happy at everton though, or he didn't get an offer from a bigger club.
You might be right though he could have stagnated there.
I think we pressed quite well tonight for the first 50-60 minutes. After that we faded. Clearly affected our defending along with us being open.
He's so uninspiring. His interview at the end of the game made us sound like we were punching above our weight and our "transitional" period will last more than 1 year. Not that we would be in this position, but SAF would still believe we could get 4th.
I think he got too comfortable there. Most of the fans loved him and the board were very happy with and let him get on with it. But that's the issue I feel, he wasn't forced to change his style or try and turn Everton into something more than they were at that stage.
He'll be better next season.
Fergie left a fundamentally imbalanced squad that he'd created in his own image: one-dimensional wingers, slow midfielders and trusted players who were quite clearly past their best. Moyes' problem is that these guys were never going to play above themselves the way they had done for their former father figure. If we had world class talent in every position, it'd be a lot easier to get the side playing well enough to eventually trust the manager. But given our resources, the best we could hope for is a resolute performance when our backs were against the wall.
By September, Moyes will have cleared the deadwood and replaced it with men loyal to him. That was the logic behind Fellaini, even if he isn't a world beater in his own right. We will be back and Moyes will get us there (or at least part of the way there). If nothing else, I trust his ability to scout a player.
Fergie left a fundamentally imbalanced squad that he'd created in his own image: one-dimensional wingers, slow midfielders and trusted players who were quite clearly past their best. Moyes' problem is that these guys were never going to play above themselves the way they had done for their former father figure. If we had world class talent in every position, it'd be a lot easier to get the side playing well enough to eventually trust the manager. But given our resources, the best we could hope for is a resolute performance when our backs were against the wall.
By September, Moyes will have cleared the deadwood and replaced it with men loyal to him. That was the logic behind Fellaini, even if he isn't a world beater in his own right. We will be back and Moyes will get us there (or at least part of the way there). If nothing else, I trust his ability to scout a player.
Really? So far he has signed Fellaini and Mata and went after Fabregas and rumoured to be after Kroos.
99% of the posters here could/world tell you that those bolded ones would be good signings. I'd go after Ronaldo if I am United manager, do you think I have ability to scout players?
Vicente del Bosque lasted 4 years and then what happen to all the big names?
Carlos Queiroz???? - Ferie's Assistant
José Antonio Camacho ??????
Mariano Garcia Remon????
Vanderlei Luxemburgo - gone after one year
Juan Ramón ????????
a few followed with Jose lasting 3 years and now it's Ancelotti probably gone by the end of the season. So who are they going to line up next?
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Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez
Luxemburgo remains the most successful ever manager in Brazil, you've also left out they then hired Capello with his impressive CV, Schuster and Pellegrini who did very well in La Liga before they hired them...
He had a great record of unearthing talent at Everton and he's known to be fastidious in the way he scouts potential purchases. Just like Fergie had his own criteria for personality and upbringing, Moyes looks into all aspects of a player. Not everyone is cut out to be a Manchester United player, even if they're good enough on the pitch. The talent bit is the easy part to spot. The fact he's had Carvalho looked at 12 times says a lot.
I find it very hard to care what Moyes says in post-match interviews. I mean, what does it really matter?
If he was doing a good job nobody would care and because he's doing a bad job it doesn't really matter if he says ultra positive things either.
Of all the thousands of small things Moyes has probably done wrong, negative post match interview really are the most inconsequential.
If he was doing a good job nobody would care and because he's doing a bad job it doesn't really matter if he says ultra positive things either.
Of all the thousands of small things Moyes has probably done wrong, negative post match interview really are the most inconsequential.
His cheap signings at Everton have turned out quite well, but basically all the big signings he made at Everton didn't work out.
Why are you worried about this happening to us anyway? It won't be harsh to sack Moyes on the basis of this season, it's to be expected. Real fire managers for not winning the champions league twice in a row.
We're one of the best jobs to get in football right now - good squad, large resources, history, fanbase and no longer a direct comparison to the greatest manager of all time. We screwed up the last hiring, it doesn't mean we'll screw up the next one as well.
I was working all night so I didn't get to see the game but I felt a bit numb when I saw we were out. Didn't expect anything else so I wasn't disappointed as such but I felt more disappointed at not having any real hope or disappointment in regards to our progression than anything else.
Then I read that Moyes hopes to get back into the Top 4 next season and I felt a searing anger go through me. For all this talk of buying superstars and he "hopes to get back in the Champions League". feck off back to Everton, you mediocre twat.
Then I read that Moyes hopes to get back into the Top 4 next season and I felt a searing anger go through me. For all this talk of buying superstars and he "hopes to get back in the Champions League". feck off back to Everton, you mediocre twat.
It's not about being positive or negative, it's about not saying the wrong thing.
United should never ever "try to aspire" to be City. This only a couple of years after Sir Alex called them noisy neighbours?
Woodward just do us all a favour and get Klopp. We could sign only a left back and a quality midfielder, with him i would have us favourites for the league.
IF he blows 100m and scraps 4th next season he'd probably write a book to celebrate the achievement.
I'd rather Klopp and no signings for this summer, there isn't that much wrong with our squad anyway.
How many sides have world class talent in every position though, of course having 11-15 world class players would make any managers job easier.
But managers can use man management to get the best out of what they have, while still having an eye on the future.
Not many of our players have played to their potential this season, that is at least in part down to moyes in my opinion.
I'm not fan of Moyes and frankly if the decision was mine, he'd be gone at the end of the season.
On our prospects, if we do sign anyone I think we'll get good players in. Fellaini was clearly overprice, no one can deny that but I think he wasn't that bad of a signing, because he was our only summer signing it was a real damper. I have confidence in Moyes finding the right player however I'm not confident in pretty much anything else. The football had been absolute dire and I feel as though for Moyes to be successful here he'll need to create a team almost too good to fail. The squad he has now is a decent squad, nothing special but he's got no where near enough out of this group of players, it's been shameful really.
Hope is not completely lost but for a while now, since Fulham I have the view that Moyes won't be a success here.
On our prospects, if we do sign anyone I think we'll get good players in. Fellaini was clearly overprice, no one can deny that but I think he wasn't that bad of a signing, because he was our only summer signing it was a real damper. I have confidence in Moyes finding the right player however I'm not confident in pretty much anything else. The football had been absolute dire and I feel as though for Moyes to be successful here he'll need to create a team almost too good to fail. The squad he has now is a decent squad, nothing special but he's got no where near enough out of this group of players, it's been shameful really.
Hope is not completely lost but for a while now, since Fulham I have the view that Moyes won't be a success here.
You are on a very wrong path here.
First of all, Madrid themselves had the policy of "managers don't matter, players do". It's not like they were rejected by top managers, they just didn't go after them because they wanted to control the transfer/squad fully. When they failed and wanted to get top managers, they never had any trouble.
Second, you're worried about managers not willing to join us after sacking Moyes for a full terrible season he's had with us?! Not really. That shouldn't be a worry for us. The real worry would be about world class players not willing to join the shambles we're in right now, with no champions league football, and under the same manager who got us into that mess. Now that's a worrying thought!
Imagine what he would be able to get Mata and Kagawa doing...
I don't blame him for tonight, picked the right team bar Rooney who was clearly unfit or still injured. Starting Rooney was a gamble which unfortunately did not pay off.Got the tactics pretty spot on though for most of the game in my opinion. If we were able to hold them at bay longer after scoring our first goal, we might have seen a different result. Or if Rooney actually contributed like he usually does and actually did something productive with the 2 decent chances that were given to him, could have been a different match. We made them sweat tonight I reckon, not entirely disappointed.
Just the thought of playing like Dortmund rather than hoof and cross...Imagine what he would be able to get Mata and Kagawa doing...
I think the last few games have shown that it's not a wholesale clear out that's needed, the players have done pretty well of late, we were a bit of composure and concentration away from a result tonight. A bit of deadwood gone, 3 or 4 players, and two or three players in, two defenders, a winger and a cm and we should be up there again.
I've been encouraged by the football we've played since Liverpool. If Moyes can learn from good results and improve on them then perhaps there's a future for him. It's fecking taken him long enough, but maybe he's had his head shaken up a bit.
I've been encouraged by the football we've played since Liverpool. If Moyes can learn from good results and improve on them then perhaps there's a future for him. It's fecking taken him long enough, but maybe he's had his head shaken up a bit.
Absolutely. If DM stays, i pray we don't spend much.
Giving Moyes 200 million is like giving Stevie Wonder a telescope.
I'd sooner criticise him for being inept rather than for not being able to answer questions about why he is so inept. If a load of journalists were constantly asking me why I was doing so badly in my job I'd probably start saying really stupid things too. This would be especially true if I didn't actually understand what I was doing wrong or how to fix it. That's the real problem, the way he deals with the media is just a reflection of how bad everything else has gone.
If he was doing better I genuinely think his media handling would massively improve. Unfortunately that almost certainly won't happen, the pressure will continue to build and he'll continue to say daft things. It really doesn't concern me when compared to his other flaws.
I've no issue with allowing Moyes a large budget. Fellaini, who may well have been a reserve purchase, aside we've targeted the right players.
Moyes management is the issue, not the transfer targets.
Moyes management is the issue, not the transfer targets.
Mata wasn't a target, he just became available, and we took the chance to sign him.
The other targets weren't good because they weren't realistic. We basically wasted our time on targets that we were never going to get, and then settled for Fellaini.
I hope we choose better targets this Summer.
Two of our major central midfield targets are merely marginalised players who seek either security of a solid wage packet as this could be their last contract of their career, or the need to appease their hubris and be the main man and not be simply another 'player' (Gundogan and Kroos respectively). Our major left back target is an 18 year old future super star whom everyone is interested in... I'm not sure I see Moyes as being a man with 'solid transfer targets'. Perhaps, in his Everton days, when he could import on a shoe-string budget, but I don't see the argument being valid here.
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