Moyes So Far!

[Sixpence]

Please put us out of our misery, United. I can't bear the thought that this guy will get one more year to 'try' and destroy our club.

We do need some additions of course but if they happen under a manager like say Van Gaal we will easily get back into the top 4. Moyes could have the Bayern squad and I wouldn't be certain of a top 4 finish.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

There was a difference in mentality in Moyes' and Carrick's post-match interviews, I thought. Carrick stressed the importance of challenging for the title again next season, Moyes hoped we'd focus on getting back into the Champions League.

feck me, when Carrick's showing more belief than you then something ain't right.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

The transfer strategy is directly linked to team selections and tactics and should be included in any review of his work here. Of course he's going to do better when he gets a crack at it again unless he's completely blind, anyone would, but now he can't offer Champions League football to any of his targets (whom most seem to be of Champions League bound teams). It's a disastrous approach to one of the toughest jobs in the business.

The season is done by now and we have to look at the summer asking ourselves "is Moyes ready for another season at this level and the level we want to be at?"

I'm all for finding an upgrade but at the same time it should not be a knee jerk reaction. If we can get a better manager who is a surefire upgrade, yes by all means let him go. That someone would likely be someone attainable like Ancelotti if Madrid do Madrid things after losing in the champions league or Klopp, Simeone or Martinez who suddenly becomes available.

I do not want us to fire him just for the sake of it and go through the learning process again with another under-prepared manager.

 

[LonelyFire]

Those talking about Rafael - i think its a certainty he will be sold if Moyes remains manager. A replacement will be sought.

Anyway, moyes post match interview was interesting. Hes most likely nervous about his future now.

 

[Cal?]

I don't think he'll do damage in the summer, we have been linked with the right players so far, hopefully we can bring them in.

But why not let someone who knows what they're doing do the job?

Most people on here know that going for the likes of Gündoğan, Kroos and Vidal is a good idea... perhaps I should get a go at this.

 

[Winrar]

As soon as we can find a competent, young, and available manager who has a clear plan to take us forward (a phrase I've used too often), we should do all we can to secure his services and let go of Moyes afterwards.

 

[Cal?]

I'm all for finding an upgrade but at the same time it should not be a knee jerk reaction. If we can get a better manager who is a surefire upgrade, yes by all means let him go. That someone would likely be someone attainable like Ancelotti if Madrid do Madrid things after losing in the champions league or Klopp, Simeone or Martinez who suddenly becomes available.

I do not want us to fire him just for the sake of it and go through the learning process again with another under-prepared manager.

Out of all the managers who'd be available to us, basically everyone except a select few, you think we can't find an upgrade on Moyes?

 

[Danny1982]

Those talking about Rafael - i think its a certainty he will be sold if Moyes remains manager. A replacement will be sought.

Anyway, moyes post match interview was interesting. Hes most likely nervous about his future now.

Madness.

 

[PlayerOne]

But why not let someone who knows what they're doing do the job?

Most people on here know that going for the likes of Gündoğan, Kroos and Vidal is a good idea... perhaps I should get a go at this.

What if the managers we want are not available?

 

[Raul Madrid]

Who do you people think moyes will try to sign and what kind of football do you think he will have the team play if he gets his ideal targets?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Who do you people think moyes will try to sign and what kind of football do you think he will have the team play if he gets his ideal targets?

Absolutely nobody knows, because Moyes has failed to implement any consistent philosophy in roughly nine months.

 

[Ubik]

Why wait for May? Are there any benefits?

No need to mess around with an interim only for it to be overhauled again in a couple of months. The sad truth is we've nothing left to play for, so he can't do any more harm if he stays until May 11th.

 

[Cal?]

What if the managers we want are not available?

Except Mourinho and Guardiola or Ancelotti if he wins La Decima, who has no chance of being available?

So if we can't get Klopp, we can try Simeone, if that fails, Van Gaal is available.

 

[Cal?]

No need to mess around with an interim only for it to be overhauled again in a couple of months. The sad truth is we've nothing left to play for, so he can't do any more harm if he stays until May 11th.

Let Giggs have some fun for 5 games, what's the harm?

 

[PlayerOne]

Except Mourinho and Guardiola or Ancelotti if he wins La Decima, who has no chance of being available?

So if we can't get Klopp, we can try Simeone, if that fails, Van Gaal is available.

Out of those managers, I would only want Klopp or Simeone, and I don't see us getting either of them.

 

[Speak]

Sir Alex Ferguson

“Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.”
“It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one.”

Even if we do spend 200 million pounds next summer to sign new players, if the tactics aren't right, we will struggle. See: Tottenham Hotspur

Slight difference between us and Tottenham. Tottenham were never even in the market for anyone at Kroos or Gundogan's level. Plus they had an average squad of non-achievers. And the problem wasn't even a lack of tactics, it was completely unsuited high-line tactics.

I don't believe that if we added, for example, Gundoogan and kroos we'd continue to struggle. They would transform this team completely.
Having players in midfield who actually feel confident having the ball under any sort of pressure, and have the brain and mobility to use it?

That would see the end of hoofball from the centre backs for starters, because the centre backs would actually trust the centre midfielders (and the centre midfielders would actually make themselves available even under pressure - they'd have the belief in their technique)

I don't believe that Moyes is hoping to apply the exact same Everton methods here at United. I don't believe he's stupid enough to even believe the fans would except that.
But I genuinely feel that with the addition of a couple of midfielders who can actually consistently get on the ball and pass it and move with it - the side will look completely different.
Composure in the centre - When was the last time we played two guys with the composure to take the ball off the centre backs, go past a man and be positive? They all treat the ball like a hot potato, and you can't build a top side with midfielders like that.

If Moyes adds those midfielders (which seems to be the plan) and still fails to get anything decent going - That's when I'll give up all hope.

 

[Cal?]

Out of those managers, I would only want Klopp or Simeone, and I don't see us getting either of them.

You think there are only 2 (or 5, not sure if you included the first 3) managers in the world who are better than Moyes?

 

[Winrar]

Slight difference between us and Tottenham. Tottenham were never even in the market for anyone at Kroos or Gundogan's level. Plus they had an average squad of non-achievers. And the problem wasn't even a lack of tactics, it was completely unsuited high-line tactics.

I don't believe that if we added, for example, Gundoogan and kroos we'd continue to struggle. They would transform this team completely.
Having players in midfield who actually feel confident having the ball under any sort of pressure, and have the brain and mobility to use it?

That would see the end of hoofball from the centre backs for starters, because the centre backs would actually trust the centre midfielders (and the centre midfielders would actually make themselves available even under pressure - they'd have the belief in their technique)

I don't believe that Moyes is hoping to apply the exact same Everton methods here at United. I don't believe he's stupid enough to even believe we'd the fans would except that.
But I genuinely feel that with the addition of a couple of midfielders who can actually consistently get on the ball and pass it and move with it - the side will look completely different.

If Moyes adds those midfielders (which seem the plan) and still fails to get anything decent going - That's when I'll give up all hope.

For our sake I hope you're right.

As for your other points, I see it. But what worries me is that we've spent 28 million pounds on a dross. I'm hoping that's a blip as well. (notice my overuse of the word "hope" - I'm not confident in Moyes.)

 

[Raul Madrid]

Absolutely nobody knows, because Moyes has failed to implement any consistent philosophy in roughly nine months.

I agree. I wouldn't want him spending the money as I feel he would waste. I feel sorry for him, but I honestly don't think that he has shown anything to suggest that he can manage at this level

 

[PlayerOne]

You think there are only 2 (or 5, not sure if you included the first 3) managers in the world who are better than Moyes?

No, I just think we need to be very careful with who we hire next or it could hurt us for a few years if we get it wrong.

 

[Cal?]

No, I just think we need to be very careful with who we hire next or it could hurt us for a few years if we get it wrong.

Not sacking Moyes WILL hurt us for a few years.

 

[Kevin]

"Any players that we have sort of quietly discussed with I think they are more than happy to join Manchester United.

"The ones who quietly, someone might have had a word in their ear, have all been keen to come as it is a short thing and not a long thing and they are all very keen to join such a great club."

He seems desperate to keep some supporters on his side by dangling the transfer muppet carrot.

 

[Ubik]

Let Giggs have some fun for 5 games, what's the harm?

Well I'd be fine with it, I'm just not sure there's a lot of point anymore. I think we're more likely to play out the season then make a clean break.

 

[Barney]

Slight difference between us and Tottenham. Tottenham were never even in the market for anyone at Kroos or Gundogan's level. Plus they had an average squad of non-achievers. And the problem wasn't even a lack of tactics, it was completely unsuited high-line tactics.

I don't believe that if we added, for example, Gundoogan and kroos we'd continue to struggle. They would transform this team completely.
Having players in midfield who actually feel confident having the ball under any sort of pressure, and have the brain and mobility to use it?

That would see the end of hoofball from the centre backs for starters, because the centre backs would actually trust the centre midfielders (and the centre midfielders would actually make themselves available even under pressure - they'd have the belief in their technique)

I don't believe that Moyes is hoping to apply the exact same Everton methods here at United. I don't believe he's stupid enough to even believe the fans would except that.
But I genuinely feel that with the addition of a couple of midfielders who can actually consistently get on the ball and pass it and move with it - the side will look completely different.
Composure in the centre - When was the last time we played two guys with the composure to take the ball off the centre backs, go past a man and be positive? They all treat the ball like a hot potato, and you can't build a top side with midfielders like that.

If Moyes adds those midfielders (which seems to be the plan) and still fails to get anything decent going - That's when I'll give up all hope.

Carrick was the best CM in the league last year. If they couldn't trust him, then they're not likely going to immediately trust a pair of new midfielders.

 

[Cal?]

Well I'd be fine with it, I'm just not sure there's a lot of point anymore. I think we're more likely to play out the season then make a clean break.

I just think it's better to give the fans something to cheer amidst all the doom and gloom.

 

[Skywarden]

I'm all for finding an upgrade but at the same time it should not be a knee jerk reaction. If we can get a better manager who is a surefire upgrade, yes by all means let him go. That someone would likely be someone attainable like Ancelotti if Madrid do Madrid things after losing in the champions league or Klopp, Simeone or Martinez who suddenly becomes available.

I do not want us to fire him just for the sake of it and go through the learning process again with another under-prepared manager.

The club knee-jerked when it appointed Moyes so what would be the issue of sacking him now that he's shown everyone he's quite simply not up to the task? I struggle to buy the "it's not like us" argument because appointing a manager without due process isn't like us either. What is the fear of cutting the strings?

Having a developing manager is absolutely okay when said manager is showing, distinctly, that he's doing progress (there are plenty of them out there, one of which beat Barcelona today).

I do share your sentiments with regards to your third paragraph.

 

[Danny1982]

He seems desperate to keep some supporters on his side by dangling the transfer muppet carrot.

That's a stupid carrot because technically he isn't even allowed to talk to the players before the clubs, by the law.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

He seems desperate to keep some supporters on his side by dangling the transfer muppet carrot.

If he isn't careful he could get us a transfer ban for tampering.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Well, he's changed fans' expectations in nine months, that's probably his best achievement. We've gone from a title challenging behemoth to a side hoping to claw our way back into the Champions League. I'm amazed some fans are okay with this.

 

[Cal?]

Well, he's changed fans' expectations in nine months, that's probably his best achievement. We've gone from a title challenging behemoth to a side hoping to claw our way back into the Champions League. I'm amazed some fans are okay with this.

Apparently to be a top r*d you have to show 100% support for any manager despite clear evidence that he's damaging the club.

 

[Danny1982]

Sir Alex Ferguson

“Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.”
“It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one.”

Words of wisdom from the greatest manager of all time. Are you listening Moyes?

 

[stevoc]

On the bright side for moyes if he does get sacked he can make a few quid by writing a book about his time at united.

He could call it:

If only...

The story of David Moyes time at Man Utd.

When asked when it will be released he'll reply ''Hopefully we'll try to get it out before the end of next season''

 

[Danny1982]

Apparently to be a top r*d you have to show 100% support for any manager despite clear evidence that he's damaging the club.

... and attack all the players.

 

[alibaba]

I just get the feeling that the board is desperate for him to succeed and they'll give him every chance they can. I'm very unsure if he will get sacked or not. Logically, he should go, but I just get the feeling he will given another summer and see how it works out.

What's next if he goes and another big name comes in and does not fire up United, Fire him the next season? Get another fire him after one season of failure and the next and next.

We will probably end up being a manager culling club with all the big names avoiding us like plagues. They would rather be jobless than having one season with us and ruining their reputation.

Sticking with a manager for one or 2 season isn't going to do any club as big as Manchester United any good.
I am sure many of the present crops of players will be shown the door and new players coming in. Then again, that doesn't or will it make us an instant footballing force. Some of the players may take time to adjust and it could take them a whole season.

I am sure many like me will be patient with Moyes. It did happened when the young and arrogant CR joined us in 2003. I knew it could take us at least 3 years to win the EPL. It did and we never look back since until SAF retirement.

Nothing to worry about, sit back and relax. The title will be back at Old Trafford and I am prepared to wait for another 3-4 years for it to happen. By then it will be exciting time and we will see a lot of our youngsters in the team that will give us at least another 5-6 years of trophy laden happiness.

 

[bosnian_red]

On another note, did anyone notice how he gave a different answer to his future then normal? 2:30 here, Shreeves asked him if failing to deliver champions league football might cost him the job and Moyes said "That's not my decision, my job is to ...."
Definitely seems like he may have been told Champions league football or out.

 

[Cal?]

... and attack all the players.

basically blame everyone and everything for a disastrous season but the manager...

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

"They are a really good side and they showed it, but I thought we did what we had to do tonight - I thought we came here made it difficult for them, tactically we tried to stifle them as much as possibly but if you lose a goal just after we score it makes things really difficult."

He says the stupidest things at the worst possible times doesn't he?

 

[jojojo]

I'm all for finding an upgrade but at the same time it should not be a knee jerk reaction. If we can get a better manager who is a surefire upgrade, yes by all means let him go. That someone would likely be someone attainable like Ancelotti if Madrid do Madrid things after losing in the champions league or Klopp, Simeone or Martinez who suddenly becomes available.

I do not want us to fire him just for the sake of it and go through the learning process again with another under-prepared manager.

I do think that's the issue.

I was in favour of a "steady the ship" appointment post SAF. A safe bet to steer the club through the tricky handover phase - a Mourinho, an Ancelotti if you like. Whether they stayed for two years or ten, no problem, they'd have shown that the United show goes on and if any structural/institutional change was needed to keep up with other European giants, they'd have told us what we lacked.

Then, if you still want to, you install someone for the long term who sees and understands the big picture of the club as well as the current first XI.

We took a gamble and skipped "steady the ship" - it was a bold gamble, but it was just a gamble. No shame in that as long as you don't throw good money after bad.

I really don't know who the board can hire this summer for where the team are now, and for what now needs to be done. I can see Moyes here for another year, if only because they can't get the right kind of alternative.

 

[Sam]

'He (Rooney) was struggling at times to strike the ball'

I'm sorry, but this hasnt been given the attention it deserves.

He's openly admitting that Rooney basically couldn't play football, yet not only started him, but kept him on for the full 90 minutes? Thats utterly disgraceful and cowardly management. Utterly depressing that this man manages United. Can you imagine any other manager doing what Moyes has done with Rooney tonight? Pathetic.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

On another note, did anyone notice how he gave a different answer to his future then normal? 2:30 here, Shreeves asked him if failing to deliver champions league football might cost him the job and Moyes said "That's not my decision, my job is to ...."
Definitely seems like he may have been told Champions league football or out.

Yeah, I picked up on that. Big contrast from his typical defiance this season.