Moyes So Far!

[Dominos]

I think more of him after the 2 Bayern ties.

That is, I thought he was a manager not up to United's standard, I now think he's a manager not up to United's standards who got his tactics right in a couple of games.

Good effort tonight. Hopefully he does well at his new club next season.

 

[Kaos]

The only 'top' team we've beaten this season were a poor Arsenal. That's simply unacceptable.

Granted we performed better than I expected against Bayern, it doesn't excuse the obvious fact we're regressing under a manager out of his depth who's dour style of football doesn't even offer a consolation.

He needs to go now. Thanks Dave but no thanks.

 

[Cal?]

I think the board will give him the last few games to prove himself, whether we agree with it or not.

I hope that our board isn't that short-sighted, a few wins in dead rubbers should not change anything.

 

[PlayerOne]

The thing is, this wasn't some one off chance for Moyes to show what he can do against the big boys. This was his last chance to rescue something, anything from a season that's been completely disastrous. The season is now over. Completely over. Before May.

When the dust settles from any weird semblance of heroic defeat, the cold hard facts of the matter are that he probably merits the sack. By most standards.

He won't get it. And he might, possibly still grow into the job. But he couldn't complain if he was.

Is there such thing as a heroic defeat for a club of this size?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

His post-match interview was a bit different to others this season. He was certainly less defiant he'd remain in the job, which is perhaps the only positive I can take from tonight.

 

[Buchan]

Why are folk here criticising our penchant for using the long ball when that's the only type of football many of out players have been playing in recent seasons? Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling etc. haven't got the confidence to play the ball out along the deck - this isn't a phenomenon unique to Moyes' tenure. I'd say we played at least as many long balls under Ferguson in his latter years.

We need some midfielders in out side with the courage and quality to take games by the scruff of the neck first and foremost, and then play football. Keane was the best I've ever seen at it, Ince not far behind. Win the battle before you win the war. We don't have that at present; Carrick, for all his wonderful passing, is too timid and Fletcher isn't the same Fletcher of 2008/09.

An overhaul is needed, and to be fair to Moyes, he identified that as soon as he walked in the door (his public pursuit of both Fabregas and Herrera last summer, as well as the rampant talk of Kroos/Gundogan/Vidal etc. recently).

 

[That'sHernandez]

The thing is, this wasn't some one off chance for Moyes to show what he can do against the big boys. This was his last chance to rescue something, anything from a season that's been completely disastrous. The season is now over. Completely over. Before May.

When the dust settles from any weird semblance of heroic defeat, the cold hard facts of the matter are that he probably merits the sack. By most standards.

He won't get it. And he might, possibly still grow into the job. But he couldn't complain if he was.

You'd expect the target was top 4 and a decent cup run, at least. Granted, we haven't faired overly well in the CL the previous two seasons but the quarters still isn't good enough in my opinion. Getting to the Semis of the League Cup and then losing to Sunderland, who are practically dead certs for relegation, doesn't count either. On the one hand I think Moyes has probably had enough time and that he should go, but on the other I see it as a situation he has sort of got himself into and I think the test for whether he can make it and take himself to the next level is for him to get himself out of the rut he's currently in. I'm unsure he's capable of it, however.

 

[Woodzy]

I do find the divide between the Anti-Moyes (I would probably include myself in that group) and the Pro-Moyes groups quite amusing. Not in the sense that one is right and the other is wrong, but just the fact that opinions vary so widely.

 

[PlayerOne]

I hope that our board isn't that short-sighted, a few wins in dead rubbers should not change anything.

I just get the feeling that the board is desperate for him to succeed and they'll give him every chance they can. I'm very unsure if he will get sacked or not. Logically, he should go, but I just get the feeling he will given another summer and see how it works out.

 

[Cal?]

Is there such thing as a heroic defeat for a club of this size?

I'm not sure you can even call it that. Dortmund last night was heroic defeat, us tonight surrendered as soon as it went 2-1, when in fact 2-1 and 0-0 was practically the same result.

 

[PlayerOne]

His post-match interview was a bit different to others this season. He was certainly less defiant he'd remain in the job, which is perhaps the only positive I can take from tonight.

Yup, fully agree with that, I found it quite odd. He never said his job was safe, like he always does.

 

[Cal?]

I just get the feeling that the board is desperate for him to succeed and they'll give him every chance they can. I'm very unsure if he will get sacked or not. Logically, he should go, but I just get the feeling he will given another summer and see how it works out.

I really really hope not, all my doom and gloom predictions about Moyes have come true (or he's done even worse than I thought possible), and giving him a free reign this summer is going to hurt us a lot more in the long run.

 

[Mockney]

Is there such thing as a heroic defeat for a club of this size?

The Real 4-3 perhaps? Though even that is grossly overstated and a smidge small time. But certainly not tonight. That's what I mean by weird. The idea he did well because we went out without embarrassing ourselves is, itself, pretty embarrassing.

I don't think he did particularly badly over the two games myself, but we lost, 4-2, so it certainly didn't go well.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

It definitely shouldn't be in the plus column, but because of this season it is.

 

[bosnian_red]

The thing is, this wasn't some one off chance for Moyes to show what he can do against the big boys. This was his last chance to rescue something, anything from a season that's been completely disastrous. The season is now over. Completely over. Before May.

When the dust settles from any weird semblance of heroic defeat, the cold hard facts of the matter are that he probably merits the sack. By most standards.

He won't get it. And he might, possibly still grow into the job. But he couldn't complain if he was.

He merited the sack half a year ago, after losing back to back home games against Everton and Newcastle when it was looking unlikely that we'd get into the top 4. Since then, it's just been ridiculous that he's still here, and it really couldn't get any worse since the City game. The Olympiacos game saved his job IMO, sadly. We have improved overall, but we'll always come up short in big games with him. We won't win titles with him, we won't win the champions league with him. We can put up a fight and get into the top 4 by spending and having a world class starting 11 all around, but put any top manager in charge of us and they'd have us competing for the title right from the start.

 

[Danny1982]

Why are folk here criticising our penchant for using the long ball when that's the only type of football many of out players have been playing in recent seasons? Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling etc. haven't got the confidence to play the ball out along the deck - this isn't a phenomenon unique to Moyes' tenure. I'd say we played at least as many long balls under Ferguson in his latter years.

We need some midfielders in out side with the courage and quality to take games by the scruff of the neck first and foremost, and then play football. Keane was the best I've ever seen at it, Ince not far behind. Win the battle before you win the war. We don't have that at present; Carrick, for all his wonderful passing, is too timid and Fletcher isn't the same Fletcher of 2008/09.

An overhaul is needed, and to be fair to Moyes, he identified that as soon as he walked in the door (his public pursuit of both Fabregas and Herrera last summer, as well as the rampant talk of Kroos/Gundogan/Vidal etc. recently).

Do we need to bring down Old Trafford for him as well and let him build a new stadium that suits his plans?

It's stupid to break up the chemistry of a multiple title winning team, to build a totally new team out of new expensive purchases..

Jeez, we are aspiring to be City!

 

[Dobba]

Do we need to bring down Old Trafford for him as well and let him build a new stadium that suits his plans?

It's stupid to break up the chemistry of a multiple title winning team, to build a totally new team out of new expensive purchases..

Jeez, we are aspiring to be City!

How else do you propose we go into next season with lets say...an actual midfield that will influence games?

 

[ManUtd43vr]

Credit to Moyes over the two legs. Our tactics and set-up was spot on for the 180 minutes. We knew we'd have to soak up a fair bit of pressure and then be clinical in the chances that we got. I can think of at least three very good chances that we squandered over the two games, which you cannot afford to do at this level.

All in all, encouraging signs from the manager. Of course they'll be a ridiculous group out there who'll try and pin this one on Moyes, which is so misplaced it's untrue. It's not his fault he was left with a sub-standard midfield. Here's to sorting that this summer and signing players who have the courage and quality to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The spine of the team is there already and quite exciting: De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj etc.

We'll never die.

Spot on.
People complain about the long-balls but forget that we don't have the midfield to pass it through the Bayern midfield. I'm in the Moyes out camp but it is ridiculous to blame him for our performance against Bayern. I think our tactics were very good considering our players. There is potential in this team if Moyes adopts the comparatively progressive tactics in the last few league games. He must simply strengthen with re-inforcements in the summer; he must not bottle another summer again or he will have opened the door for his exit himself. There are areas of the team where we aren't good enough to compete with the best teams; anybody who is not considering that and pissing against him has just an agenda against Moyes.

 

[Cal?]

Why are folk here criticising our penchant for using the long ball when that's the only type of football many of out players have been playing in recent seasons? Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling etc. haven't got the confidence to play the ball out along the deck - this isn't a phenomenon unique to Moyes' tenure. I'd say we played at least as many long balls under Ferguson in his latter years.

We need some midfielders in out side with the courage and quality to take games by the scruff of the neck first and foremost, and then play football. Keane was the best I've ever seen at it, Ince not far behind. Win the battle before you win the war. We don't have that at present; Carrick, for all his wonderful passing, is too timid and Fletcher isn't the same Fletcher of 2008/09.

An overhaul is needed, and to be fair to Moyes, he identified that as soon as he walked in the door (his public pursuit of both Fabregas and Herrera last summer, as well as the rampant talk of Kroos/Gundogan/Vidal etc. recently).

To be fair, 99% of the Caf should be able to do the job if that's a plus point, and I guess all of us will be willing to do it for much less than he's getting.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Do we need to bring down Old Trafford for him as well and let him build a new stadium that suits his plans?

It's stupid to break up the chemistry of a multiple title winning team, to build a totally new team out of new expensive purchases..

Jeez, we are aspiring to be City!

That's going a bit over the top but we do need a rebuild. Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and a few others are leaving at the end of this season. These players have been the core of our team for many years so what would you call replacing those players if not a rebuild? You have to look at the facts and see that although we kept winning the league, we've left some areas very neglected.

Moyes should have done much better throughout the season and the results he produced at home are not acceptable.

 

[Still ill]

Do we need to bring down Old Trafford for him as well and let him build a new stadium that suits his plans?

It's stupid to break up the chemistry of a multiple title winning team, to build a totally new team out of new expensive purchases..

Jeez, we are aspiring to be City!

Come off it, Danny. You can't be looking at Fletch, Carrick, Vida, Evra tonight thinking we don't need new blood.

 

[Cal?]

How else do you propose we go into next season with lets say...an actual midfield that will influence games?

I'd rather go into next season with Klopp and no signings than Moyes with 100m of signings.

 

[Cal?]

That's going a bit over the top but we do need a rebuild. Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and a few others are leaving at the end of this season. These players have been the core of our team for many years so what would you call replacing those players if not a rebuild?

Except Evra, how many of those have played that many games last season when we walked the title?

 

[Winrar]

Sir Alex Ferguson

“Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.”
“It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one.”

Even if we do spend 200 million pounds next summer to sign new players, if the tactics aren't right, we will struggle. See: Tottenham Hotspur

 

[Danny1982]

How else do you propose we go into next season with lets say...an actual midfield that will influence games?

That's going a bit over the top but we do need a rebuild. Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and a few others are leaving at the end of this season. These players have been the core of our team for many years so what would you call replacing those players if not a rebuild? You have to look at the facts and see that although we kept winning the league, we've left some areas very neglected.

Come off it, Danny. You can't be looking at Fletch, Carrick, Vida, Evra tonight thinking we don't need new blood.

Nobody said we shouldn't add a couple of players. An overhaul is stupid though.

Half the players who look sh*t now will look much better when used properly. And most of the other half can still get better next season and can be helpful as squad players.

We don't need an overhaul. A CM, a LB, and a CB probably is all we need. 3 additions max.

We already bought two expensive players this season ffs. Moyes has totally hypnotized you into his stupid sh*t squad theory.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Except Evra, how many of those have played that many games last season when we walked the title?

Not that many games in between them but 1 injury was enough to make us very stretched. Playing CBs as fullbacks, Jones in central midfield and we still managed to walk the league. I'm not defending Moyes, I still think he should have at least got into top 4 in his first season in charge. 7th is just unacceptable.

 

[Skywarden]

Yeah he made mistakes but you got to judge him as a developing manager over the course of the season and how much he has learned from his own mistakes. His transfer strategy can be evaluated once he gets another crack at it. The tactics and team selection are all we can look at now.

The transfer strategy is directly linked to team selections and tactics and should be included in any review of his work here. Of course he's going to do better when he gets a crack at it again unless he's completely blind, anyone would, but now he can't offer Champions League football to any of his targets (whom most seem to be of Champions League bound teams). It's a disastrous approach to one of the toughest jobs in the business.

The season is done by now and we have to look at the summer asking ourselves "is Moyes ready for another season at this level and the level we want to be at?"

 

[Cal?]

Not that many games in between them but 1 injury was enough to make us very stretched. Playing CBs as fullbacks, Jones in central midfield and we still managed to walk the league. I'm not defending Moyes, I still think he should have at least got into top 4 in his first season in charge. 7th is just unacceptable.

Not really, we have Evans, Smalling & Jones all very capable of covering the CB positions, and Moyes was the one who sold Fabio.

 

[KeninDC]

More hoping.

 

[Ubik]

We actually did much better than I expected over the two legs, so there's that.

But yeah, he needs to go.

 

[dev1l]

Come off it, Danny. You can't be looking at Fletch, Carrick, Vida, Evra tonight thinking we don't need new blood.

out of the 4 you mentioned, fletch was the best imo....it says a lot. Carrick uncharacteristically gave the ball away too often while the other 2,i sorry to say this, that they re done at this level. Serie A footy will do them a lot of good

 

[jojojo]

We were mediocre again, which so far as I can tell, means we were a perfect reflection of the manager.

During the first half, we did enough to give me hope me hope that we might be able to fluke a result - the same when Evra scored. As soon as they equalised, I knew it was game over. I knew that mentally, physically, tactically the team didn't have any more fight in them.

Moyes' fault? Not really. That implies something about his effort or his choices. All my instincts say he's programmed to look for damage limitation, and ultimately at the top level that means we'll keep failing.

 

[Danillaco]

Do we need to bring down Old Trafford for him as well and let him build a new stadium that suits his plans?

It's stupid to break up the chemistry of a multiple title winning team, to build a totally new team out of new expensive purchases..

Jeez, we are aspiring to be City!

What chemistry? Are you not seeing the season we are having. There is none to be broken.

Look at Bayern or example. The best run club in the world, has consistently gone into the market for the top talent in Germany and the world. Huge deals, Martinez, Goetze, Lewandowski, and the steal that was Thiago. Did that broke chemistry/ It's all about balance. We have none.

 

[Drifter]

Manchester United manager David Moyes insists he is firmly focused on getting the club straight back into the Champions League.

United bowed out of Europe on Wednesday evening going down 3-1 to Bayern Munich in the Allianz Arena, which gave the reigning European champions a 4-2 aggregate win.

The result means, that for the first time since 1995, United are highly unlikely to be present at Europe's top table next season.

After the defeat in Munich, Moyes told Sky Sports: "We have not got Champions League football, that's the way it looks but I believe that it is not far away, and hopefully it will be one-year away.

"We have got to rebuild and our focus is to get a team that can get back into this competition, it is a great competition we have really enjoyed it and there is no shame in going out to Bayern Munich.

Moyes was asked whether he believed his job might be in some doubt, after his failure to get into the Champions League.

"That is not question for me as my job is just to get on and do the job," he insisted.

"I have found everyone at the club very good and my focus is to get a side that gets us back in the Champions League and that is the main objective."

Moyes insists that the club's hierarchy are backing him and plans to rebuild the side are already in motion and he insists not being in the Champions League will not hamper their pursuit of any of their top targets.

"The club have never had any problems, anything we have talked about, the club are looking to spend the right money on the right players that are available, it has nothing to do with the Champions League football," he said.

"Any players that we have sort of quietly discussed with I think they are more than happy to join Manchester United.

"The ones who quietly, someone might have had a word in their ear, have all been keen to come as it is a short thing and not a long thing and they are all very keen to join such a great club."

Unlucky
Turning to the game and Moyes felt his side were unlucky, having actually taken the lead in the Allianz Arena through Patrice Evra's 57th minute.

But United could not defend their lead, as Mario Mandzukic levelled just seconds after the re-start, before Thomas Muller and Arjen Robben settled the tie.

"When your a schoolboy you get told make sure when you score you don't concede straight away, we conceded too quickly," he admitted.

"It was always going to be a tough night and once we got the first goal we had to give ourselves five or ten minutes where we could stop them getting the ball but from the kick-off they went up the pitch and scored.

"I don't know whether it was a bit of concentration, thrilled we got the goal but we have got enough experience on the pitch where we should have done it - but they didnt do an awful lot wrong tonight, I thought the players played over so well and I was pleased with the performance and just a couple of small errors that cost us in the end.

"I never thought we were out the game, I always thought we were in with a chance and at 2-1 we needed just to get that goal to get back to 2-2, but that third goal killed us and that didnt go for, and I thought that was a bit of bad luck.

"They are a really good side and they showed it, but I thought we did what we had to do tonight - I thought we came here made it difficult for them, tactically we tried to stifle them as much as possibly but if you lose a goal just after we score it makes things really difficult."




http://www1.skysports.com/football/...focused-on-getting-back-into-champions-league

 

[Jev]

Please put us out of our misery, United. I can't bear the thought that this guy will get one more year to 'try' and destroy our club.

 

[Cal?]

More hoping.

Hope hope hope, tonight was the one night he could have said that "try to aspire shit" and won't get criticised for it.

 

[Kill 'em all]

My main concern with Moyes is that at home when lower teams parked the bus against us, we had over 60% possession and little to no chances to show for it and our only answer was to just cross the ball or play a long ball and hope something happens and this to me is very concerning because whatever the players you have, if you play like that it doesn't matter. You need to be able to win these type of games to have a shot at top 4, let alone winning a title. These are things which you instruct on the training ground. Is Moyes doing enough tactical training?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

There was a difference in mentality in Moyes' and Carrick's post-match interviews, I thought. Carrick stressed the importance of challenging for the title again next season, Moyes hoped we'd focus on getting back into the Champions League.

 

[PlayerOne]

You'd expect the target was top 4 and a decent cup run, at least. Granted, we haven't faired overly well in the CL the previous two seasons but the quarters still isn't good enough in my opinion. Getting to the Semis of the League Cup and then losing to Sunderland, who are practically dead certs for relegation, doesn't count either. On the one hand I think Moyes has probably had enough time and that he should go, but on the other I see it as a situation he has sort of got himself into and I think the test for whether he can make it and take himself to the next level is for him to get himself out of the rut he's currently in. I'm unsure he's capable of it, however.

Isn't that the issue with Moyes? He's unproven, we don't know if he can do it on this level.

I really really hope not, all my doom and gloom predictions about Moyes have come true (or he's done even worse than I thought possible), and giving him a free reign this summer is going to hurt us a lot more in the long run.

I don't think he'll do damage in the summer, we have been linked with the right players so far, hopefully we can bring them in.

 

[Danny1982]

What chemistry? Are you not seeing the season we are having. There is none to be broken.

You will see it when we have a competent manager who knows how to get the most out of our players, instead of forcing them to play in the only way he knows.