Moyes So Far!

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That's the best point made after today's game. We could have won more points by now if he realized it much sooner. The most important for him now is to not fall back into old habits.

He will though, that's the issue. I have been criticizing Kagawa's career at United on the simple fact that Fergie and Moyes have not played the right players around him, which has made his performances look pretty uninspiring to me.

However, go to this game today, and the second 45 minutes is without a doubt the best attacking football we have played, why? It's the simple basis that we had the perfect combination of players up front: you have two intelligent playmakers in Kagawa and Mata who excel in off the ball movement, quick & clever passes and read the game differently to other players; one player with pace, skill and goal threat in Januzaj who can provide those runs at the full-back and has the ability to cross a ball well and shoot (either inside or outside the box); and one player who is deadly in and around the penalty area, makes runs from different positions and doesn't move too much out of position in the form of Hernandez, who did his job perfectly as a striker. If Rooney or RvP put in a striker's shift like Hernandez did today, as well as being a threat outside of the box for extra options, then this would be what we should see next season on a regular basis.

The sad truth is that we have 5 games left, and I expect Young and Valencia to participate in those remaining games collectively (unless Young's injury is serious), and it breaks down our system of attack quite significantly.
 
That's the best point made after today's game. We could have won more points by now if he realized it much sooner. The most important for him now is to not fall back into old habits.

Definitely.

Its like those people saying Hernandez wasn't effective earlier this season, totally ignoring that he (like RVP etc.) was playing in a team trying to cross its way through tight defences.

If our forwards had been playing in front of the fluidity of Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj since January we'd be doing a lot better than we are. The fact that Moyes tried to turn Mata into the next Valencia was astonishing enough.

I give him credit for seeing the light, at last. I hope to God it continues. Please Moyes prove me wrong about you.
 
Playing Kagawa full game means he is not in plans for the Bayern game - probably Fellaini again

Most of this praise today baffles me. If a class topper stopped studying, failed the pre tests and then barely scraped through the finals after some late effort, sorry but that is still a massive regression

I am not a Moyes hater just to clarify, it is simply that I think he is not good enough
 
Playing Kagawa full game means he is not in plans for the Bayern game - probably Fellaini again

Most of this praise today baffles me. If a class topper stopped studying, failed the pre tests and then barely scraped through the finals after some late effort, sorry but that is still a massive regression

I am not a Moyes hater just to clarify, it is simply that I think he is not good enough

Well, at least we've seen that if he sends on the right players they CAN play the sort of football we're looking for. Obviously today shouldn't be the exception but the norm (not the result which is great, but certainly the type of football we were playing). But in all honesty I wasn't certain that even with the right players, a Moyes team can produce that sort of football.

That's something.
 
Well, at least we've seen that if he sends on the right players they CAN play the sort of football we're looking for. Obviously today shouldn't be the exception but the norm (not the result which is great, but certainly the type of football we were playing). But in all honesty I wasn't certain that even with the right players, a Moyes team can produce that sort of football.

That's something.

Exactly! I wasn't even looking forward to the summer transfers because based on our performances I believed that we were simply not going to play entertaining football under him irrespective of who we signed. This performance and one or two others in the past month give me a bit of hope, but I won't be disappointed either if the club decides to part company with him at the end of the season.
 
Today is what we could be witnessing week in week out, with a manager who had an attacking philosophy and who had the conviction to back up that philosophy.

I really hope this is the future, but I just can't get to excited with Moyes in charge. Him taking of Fellaini early pretty much confirms he'll start in Munich, which tells you everything you need to know.
 
This recent run of good results must be a real kick in the tits for the Moyes out Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Not only does it make it even more obvious he will still be here next season, but some of the football has been half decent, so you can't even knock him for that.

How do you figure that?

Most likely the board have already made a decision on moyes future whether he stays /goes, with only an against the odds CL win likely to change their minds if he is to go.

So why would a few wins against poor sides when the pressure is off change their minds.

We have indeed been playing better football at times, which is what happens when you play good players like Mata, Kagawa & Januzaj together, so credit to moyes for that, wish he could have figured it out a few months ago.

I know it will be impossible for many to give Moyes any credit for these results and you will probably blame weak opposition, players playing for themselves etc, but take out the City & Liverpool results and we have looked a steady side of late. You can only beat what's in front of you.

So if we take the bad results where we looked woeful out of our recent games and only focus on the games where we have beaten average sides like west ham, villa, newcastle when the pressures off, then yeah we do look like a steady side, but most teams could say that really. We still look poor against good sides which has been the case all season.

You say people will begrudge moyes credit wheres its due and yeah thats a fair argument, on the flip side though don't you think it's possible you could just be giving him too much credit.
 
Most likely the board have already made a decision on moyes future whether he stays /goes, with only an against the odds CL win likely to change their minds if he is to go.

So why would a few wins against poor sides when the pressure is off change their minds.

Honestly, we have no idea how the board will respond. This set of people has never been in charge of a situation like that. There are so many variables there, it's impossible to deduce anything.
 
Playing Kagawa full game means he is not in plans for the Bayern game - probably Fellaini again

Most of this praise today baffles me. If a class topper stopped studying, failed the pre tests and then barely scraped through the finals after some late effort, sorry but that is still a massive regression

I am not a Moyes hater just to clarify, it is simply that I think he is not good enough

That's for sure something I'm afraid of. My mates and I discussed about it during and after the game; we were baffled that Kagawa got the full 90 minutes and all wondered what about the Bayern game. Just for the sake of sending "positive waves", we were saying out loud "Think about it, Moyes."

Everyone here is just saying that we're glad to see such beautiful football today, but we are also aware that anything moving away from today's approach will get the axe back on top of him. Good analogy with the student thing BTW.

Even if we go after a new manager (which I still believe to be a good thing), today's game should be for keeps to work with if any.
 
i think what we are now witnessing is the Moyes taking the bull by the horns and finally realising what his best teams are and tactics, he is definitely getting a feel for the club and imo he is a brilliant tactical minded coach with a bright future here, he has deserved this chance so lets give it to him! He is living upto his potential and he'll win the Champions league with conviction... next season it's the Title, Learning truely from the Master that is SAF, soon to be SDM?!
 
I'm arguing that he should be given a bit more time to get it right, rather than defending his performance this season, which has been way below what most people - including me - expected. And 'Give him time' is nothing that Fergie and Charlton haven't said themselves.



I didn't say they definitely would've. I just pointed to the fact that they had been improving year on year for 3 seasons, and so seeing them continue to improve under Moyes wouldn't have been very surprising.



Maybe you're reading my posts with beer goggles on, because i've never said anything of the sort.
- Don't quote SAF when you think he's (an important) part of the problem.

- So you don't agree with Moyes who said anybody would have struggled this year because of the ageing squad, even if SAF was still here?
 
i think what we are now witnessing is the Moyes taking the bull by the horns and finally realising what his best teams are and tactics, he is definitely getting a feel for the club and imo he is a brilliant tactical minded coach with a bright future here, he has deserved this chance so lets give it to him! He is living upto his potential and he'll win the Champions league with conviction... next season it's the Title, Learning truely from the Master that is SAF, soon to be SDM?!
We've been run ragged by Liverpool, City, and Bayern in the last few weeks.
 
i think what we are now witnessing is the Moyes taking the bull by the horns and finally realising what his best teams are and tactics, he is definitely getting a feel for the club and imo he is a brilliant tactical minded coach with a bright future here, he has deserved this chance so lets give it to him! He is living upto his potential and he'll win the Champions league with conviction... next season it's the Title, Learning truely from the Master that is SAF, soon to be SDM?!

:lol:

This is the best RAWK impression I've seen on the CAF for some time
 
We were looking gash before the Mata free kick. After that, Newcastle just gave up.

Give Moyes some credit for a tidy win today, but this in no way overcomes an inexcusable debacle of a season. What would overcome it, however, is going on to lift the CL trophy. That's not in the cards, but if that does come to pass a lot of us who have been critical of Moyes, that includes me, will have a lot of shit eating to do.
 
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People seem to be worried about him reverting towards Young/Val but they've played less and less as the season has gone on and will still both finish with less minutes this season than last.

Real issue is what he does with Rooney, Mata, RVP. We have the players to support Mata behind the striker, we don't have the midfield nor the fast direct wingers to support Rooney there IMO.

Moyes won't drop RVP or Rooney and I'm not sure many managers would.
 
Moyes has yet to show his true colours, and with luck he will. Either way, next season will almost certainly be his defining one.
 
On its own there is little wrong, except starting Young. But then he kept Kagawa on for a full 90min when we'll definitely need him on Wed especially when he claims that Rooney is a doubt.

I hope so.

We dont know what injuries he may have had or if some players needed more rest than others. However at face value you're right.

I loved the game though. Tactically wise we were flawless. I havent enjoyed a United game like I did today for quite some time
 
i think what we are now witnessing is the Moyes taking the bull by the horns and finally realising what his best teams are and tactics, he is definitely getting a feel for the club and imo he is a brilliant tactical minded coach with a bright future here, he has deserved this chance so lets give it to him! He is living upto his potential and he'll win the Champions league with conviction... next season it's the Title, Learning truely from the Master that is SAF, soon to be SDM?!

What is it that he has done to deserve it? Was it Stoke away?
 
Today was positive, you have to give credit. Good attacking play, good possession, there was more pace in our attacks. Chico given a run out and he scored and looked happy this time after he did. Mata producing goals and assists and Moyes left them at it instead of trying to shut up shop. Januzaj getting another goal, Wilson on the bench, it was a very positive day due to a lot of his decisions and it comes after a good performance and result against the best team in Europe that showed some good tactical awareness, focus and discipline, so again credit where it is due, I for one have given him enough stick when he deserved it, that last couple of games have given him some credibility.
 
Moyes has earned a 24 hour break from bitter criticism. By my calculations he has 18 hours left!
 
He should be sacked in my opinion, his style of football is not attractive enough for a team like United. It is a dull boring try not to lose rather than try to rip the arse of your opponent style of play. And he also has no idea of tactics at the highest level. And talks bullshit to the press, like we aspire to be like City. We do not aspire to be like City we aspire to be like the team we were before Moyes got his arse in the chair.
 
Honestly, we have no idea how the board will respond.

Agreed but i never stated i knew what was going to happen one way or the other, thats was basically what i said in the post you quoted.

This set of people has never been in charge of a situation like that. There are so many variables there, it's impossible to deduce anything.

Well some members of the board no but the glazers have been in a situation like this before though a few times actually, they have sacked five coaches at the Buccaners including 2 under performing coaches in the last 2 years, waiting both times until the end of the season before terminating their contracts.

Now that doesn't mean they will definitely sack moyes, but those who believe that moyes not being sacked thus far means he's definitely here next season should consider the above information before speaking in absolutes.
 
The thread reaches triple lucky numbers and the belief is Moyes has turned a corner. Coincidence?
 
i think what we are now witnessing is the Moyes taking the bull by the horns and finally realising what his best teams are and tactics, he is definitely getting a feel for the club and imo he is a brilliant tactical minded coach with a bright future here, he has deserved this chance so lets give it to him! He is living upto his potential and he'll win the Champions league with conviction... next season it's the Title, Learning truely from the Master that is SAF, soon to be SDM?!
Jesus wept.
 
The thread reaches triple lucky numbers and the belief is Moyes has turned a corner. Coincidence?

Does it mean we need to make it to 888 to get a lucky result?

Oh wait, he's not Chinese.
 
Today is what we could be witnessing week in week out, with a manager who had an attacking philosophy and who had the conviction to back up that philosophy.

I really hope this is the future, but I just can't get to excited with Moyes in charge. Him taking of Fellaini early pretty much confirms he'll start in Munich, which tells you everything you need to know.
To be fair, who exactly would you start alongside Carrick?

Though it just goes to show the issue goes all the way back to June whereby he'd decided he wanted to raid his former mid-table team to fix Manchester United's problems.
 
To be fair, who exactly would you start alongside Carrick?

Though it just goes to show the issue goes all the way back to June whereby he'd decided he wanted to raid his former mid-table team to fix Manchester United's problems.

Yes, the fact that he bought Fellaini on deadline day having allowed his price to increase during the summer certainly suggests he was first priority for Moyes.
 
To be fair, who exactly would you start alongside Carrick?

Though it just goes to show the issue goes all the way back to June whereby he'd decided he wanted to raid his former mid-table team to fix Manchester United's problems.

There would have been nothing wrong with us signing Coleman or Barkley and nothing has changed in that regard. Jones is the player which could start alongside Carrick, if Evans and Smalling were fit.
 
To be fair, who exactly would you start alongside Carrick?

Though it just goes to show the issue goes all the way back to June whereby he'd decided he wanted to raid his former mid-table team to fix Manchester United's problems.

Jones, Cleverley, Giggs, Fletcher....basically anyone but Fellaini. Infact, I think Jones/Carrick worked much better then Fellaini/Carrick....which is depressing as that effectively means we paid £27 million to make our midfield worse.
 
Concerning that Moyes thinks we've struggled at home because we've been too gung-ho. Bloody hell. We've been anything but.

Also the expectation he talks of at OT is a reflection of his own mentality rather than the players who have always been fine with the 'expectation' at OT. I think the issue is with Moyes there. He's expected to set the team up to attack and struggle but I can't believe he thinks we've been gung-ho.
 
Jones, Cleverley, Giggs, Fletcher....basically anyone but Fellaini. Infact, I think Jones/Carrick worked much better then Fellaini/Carrick....which is depressing as that effectively means we paid £27 million to make our midfield worse.
Spot on.
 
Concerning that Moyes thinks we've struggled at home because we've been too gung-ho. Bloody hell. We've been anything but.

Also the expectation he talks of at OT is a reflection of his own mentality rather than the players who have always been fine with the 'expectation' at OT. I think the issue is with Moyes there. He's expected to set the team up to attack and struggle but I can't believe he thinks we've been gung-ho.

Where did he say this mate post match presser?

He thinks we have been too gung-ho? Jesus he can't really think that can he, most games at OT we've looked timid.

This team was built to go on the front foot and take the initiative in games, i feel moyes has tried to shackle them at times and set us up to stop the opposition instead of letting them express themselves, this may have caused the team to go into games in two minds, which might explain why we looked so pedestrian and devoid of creativity at times.

Gung-ho feck me, we're Manchester United.
 
- Don't quote SAF when you think he's (an important) part of the problem.

When have I ever said that Fergie is an 'important part of the problem'? Seriously, you need to stop making things up.

- So you don't agree with Moyes who said anybody would have struggled this year because of the ageing squad, even if SAF was still here?

I think Moyes has been a man under extreme pressure, and some of his quotes have reflected that. I haven't agreed with all of them, but am prepared to give him a bit of leeway.
 
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