We'll see if he can build on that, only 4 more draws to save himself (and the club).
Moyes So Far!
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I give him credit for getting the counter-attacking tactics right, Bayern didn't work De Gea all that much. But I think we saw his limitations in the second half, when we had the initiative and should have done more with it. The only change I could see was to put Fellaini further up the pitch and target him. Also, Young instead of Januzaj was disappointing.
He gets credit when its deserved and he certainly deserves credit tonight.
I meant credit to you guys. 
So we can cohesively stunt and compete with the most potent team in Europe with a massively depleted team, how do we set about routinely beating west brom, Southampton, Newcastle and Fulham etc, and look a match a for the top 6. Opinions and insight very much fecking welcome!
Think we're getting there in terms of consistency against the lesser teams. With regard to the big teams, well one player, if its the right one, could be the difference. I honestly believe that. Whether Moyes turn his own failings around and also actually show some of his strengths I have no idea.
Nothing has changed tonight, on the contrary, Moyes does well when we are the underdogs, set up the team to defend well and counter, but has no clue what to do when we are expected to dominate attack and win. Again just like a mid table team. (Everton)
It'll be interesting to see how he'd set up a year from now if he does indeed have his £200 million team... or however much he's going to spend.
How would we feel about Moyes should he Di Matteo the Champions League? Obviously we'll have to allow him more time as a result, but I won't feel any more confident he is the man to take Manchester United forward.
Million quid question we ask ourselves & most of us on here dont trust Moyes bringin in top players will make any difference.
But, i have to say, we havent lost in Europe & had a better record than Bayern comin into tonights Champions League campaign, maybe he's put all his eggs in one basket to get into the Champions League next season by winning the thing!
Thats not my view of course, because thats mental, but maybe he has that mentality that we've overlooked?!
... You need to tell me how you've managed to erase that night in Greece from your memory! I'll gladly take that option
If he wins the Champions League he has to stay. I'll definitely change my opinion from sack in the Summer to give him another season.
But, objectively that will change little about my doubts about his ability to get the team to play at a consistently high level for 38 games, while managing to force enough wins to make us competitive in the league. His tactics at the moment will probably get good 1-1s against good sides (although he also failed at that multiple times during the season), but what if we played a bit less good sides where the 1-1s are not enough?
Unfortunate name lad
I dont feel anymore confident than most do, but after tonight - i'm willing to give him a break. Lets just see how it pans out til the rest of the season & then make a proper judgement on his ability to lead us!
The plus point would be we'd be able to attract players we wouldn't if we just finished 7th and trophyless.
We're not going to win the CL without some very good tactics and preparataion from Moyes to be fair so obviously he'd deserve more time if he did win it and there'd be good reason to have more faith in the man.
I'd feel like building a statue of him in my garden.
Fair point guvnor. Cuffs on!
I havent forgot about that result, but we've moved on from that - 2 games later man. We've improved gradually with each of those games...
He'd get another season and you couldn't really object to it but he still wouldn't be right for the club, just like Di Matteo wasn't right for Chelsea.
I'd be in the same boat as you & @Danny1982 ...He'd become a hero and I'd instantly champion him for another season, or two. But it'd be in a sort of Forlan way. Like a loveable mascot I wanted to do right by rather than as someone I trusted, or genuinely believe would turn us back into one of Europe's big boys. The very fact I'm saying "turn us back into" when we were only in the CL final 3 years ago is a huge part of the problem. Our expectations now are ludicrously low.
Besides, being good defensively and hard to beat at home is something we all assumed Moyes was good at to begin with. That he's just come good at it in one game in April isn't cause for a complete about turn. But it's a step forwards. Or at the least back towards where he should've been to begin with.
I think I'd agree with this. Moyes almost becoming a variety of legend similar to Forlán is a brilliant thought.
If he somehow managed to win us the Champions League in his first season after the shower of shit hes served up all year and the pressure hes been under no way could we sack him. We couldn't even ask for it.
I would even vow not to criticize him for 12 months, not even when we are 1-0 down to southampton at home next season and we look like we have absolutely no game plan beyond smashing crosses into the box, or even when moyes changes nothing for over an hour expecting what clearly hasn't been working to somehow magically start to work if we just do it enough times, if i seen we were finally making our first subs in the 76th minute only to see young & cleverley stripping off i would be in serious danger of breaking my vow but i would bite my fecking lip and console myself with the fact we are champions of europe and Moyes somehow, some way made that happen.
Still wouldn't think he was the right man for us though, that is a long held belief that flukeing one trophy would not change.
Why is Ferguson in heaven with Sir Matt?
Seeing PSG thumping Chelsea in the CL.......In hindsight you'd have to think that Laurent Blanc was probably the outstanding candidate to take over from Fergie with his ties to Utd and phenomenal playing career......And Blanc was only PSG's fourth choice manager after Villas-Boas, Capello and Pep had turned them down before they turned to Blanc....that's quite amazing when you think about it...he was most certainly there for the taking if we wanted him
For people who were worrying that Caf is the new RAWK, well start worrying now.
Needless melodramacity!
Characters:
Alex Ferguson - God
David Moyes - Son of God
Pep Guardiola - Devil
Our God has moved on, his son has endured torture in his first season but now the second coming of Moyes is upon us. In Bavaria, he will deal such a mighty blow to the devil, people will claim Nostradamus prophesied it.
Alex Ferguson - God
David Moyes - Son of God
Pep Guardiola - Devil
Our God has moved on, his son has endured torture in his first season but now the second coming of Moyes is upon us. In Bavaria, he will deal such a mighty blow to the devil, people will claim Nostradamus prophesied it.
You could've left the Shanks & Paisley pix on there, 'Nev.
Lord Fergie is omnipresent. That includes heaven and earth. You should know that!
He did well last night, all things considered. I wouldn't want this to become the norm under Moyes, and for us to become serial underdogs. But for now, it'll do.
He did still manage to do a couple of questionable things mind. Bringing on Young and keeping Fellaini on.
He did still manage to do a couple of questionable things mind. Bringing on Young and keeping Fellaini on.
Yeah fair point forgot about that.
Im still waiting to see how we di against Everton and Southampton.
I expected us to get thumped by City/Liverpool given their form and our issues but i do think we're starting to look more choesive.
My opinion was give him til December but i think we're capable of a run with the games left.
I expected us to get thumped by City/Liverpool given their form and our issues but i do think we're starting to look more choesive.
My opinion was give him til December but i think we're capable of a run with the games left.
Are you questioning the late Sir Alex's passing?
Jesus, you people!, Cantona must be turning in his grave reading this.
Opta Facts
- Manchester United have earned fewer points this season than in any previous Premier League campaign and are guaranteed to finish with a lower total than in any of Sir Alex Ferguson's 21 campaigns.
The above is exactly why Moyes is a disaster. Even if he wins the last 6 games he still has a lower total than ANY of the last 21 years. 72 is the max points he can get this season.
If you want to look at it from a positive point of view, in 96-97 72 points would have been enough to win the league. United won with 75 points.
Currently reading Fergie's '6 Years at United', which was published in 1992, before he'd won his first league title. Here's what he says in Chapter 2:
Ferguson, Alex (2013-06-06). Alex Ferguson: 6 Years at United (Kindle Locations 146-153). Mainstream Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Which all sounds very familiar, and is likely a big reason why Fergie is adamant that Moyes should be given time.
Ferguson, Alex (2013-06-06). Alex Ferguson: 6 Years at United (Kindle Locations 146-153). Mainstream Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Which all sounds very familiar, and is likely a big reason why Fergie is adamant that Moyes should be given time.
We've had a great season...for Everton.
That is why Moyes has to go.
That is why Moyes has to go.
The circumstances are totally different. Ferguson walked into a sleeping giant that had perhaps grown comfortable in its status as a cup side. A first-team focused club with most players either not good enough or lacking basic personal discipline to achieve what they wanted to that required restructuring.
I don't see how any of that is relevant to the job David Moyes walked into. Where were the kids being given their chance in the league cup this year?
We've had this debate a million times now. But the fact is that in the first 3 or 4 years after Fergie took over United, our average points total per season, and our average league finishing position, got worse, not better.
So that by 1989/90, in his own words, 'the knives were out and for a period it seemed I might become yet another statistic in the pursuit of success at Old Trafford'.
@NessunDorma I havent read that but he makes similar comments in Managing My Life and that is the essence of why I have been so determined to keep the faith with Moyes, despite the strength of the forces pulling me to a contrary position. Unfortunately there is no way he is going to get 3 or 4 years to find his feet, the world has changed, the media glare is more intense, social media has brought fans closer to the team than ever before, expectations are higher, patience is lower, people need immediate gratification these days. Im sure the frustrations would always have been there but these days they snowball so quickly because of sites like this and Twitter. Conversations that were once confined to the pub now rage 24/7, whipping people up into a state of indignation well beyond what it would have been back in the 80s. So managers are going to have to learn to get to grips with things faster, which probably means we should not be looking at any managers that have not managed a club with similar expectations before.
But that's because there was something to sort out. I don't get what's to sort out at the club now that would justify a similar period of grace. If we walked into the United of 1986, fine. But he hasn't. What is he taking time out to sort out?
An Irish journalist made a similar point in a well-written (albeit incredibly negative) piece on Moyes last week.
I think he's a bit over the top with some elements of what he's saying but can't find much to disagree with overall. Which is depressing.
http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...manager_to_blame_for_the_club_s_collapse.html
If you can't be arsed with the whole piece (although it is worth finding a few minutes, if you want to rid yourself of any remaining doubt he should be sacked anyway!) here's the bit which is on very similar lines to what you just posted.
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