Moyes So Far!

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Talking Vulture said:
That's it in a nutshell. This twat isn't going to change our style of play. He's fecking useless.
He's never won 5 league games in a row. Staggering statistic. Even more staggering when Everton managed it yesterday
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Lol. another fact is that Evertons highest ever points tally under Moyes was 65. They need only 6 more points from their remaining 7 matches to beat that this season. He is only gone a short while and Everton are already improving. When I see his hopeless idea less face gawping at the match I could cry.


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BennyBlanco said:
To be honest I hope, if thats what hes best at, (building defensively sound, organised teams) then he should set up his team and play that way regardless, so often this season I swear to god he's tried to be Sir Alex mk#2, except, he isn't Sir Alex, nobody is, least of all him, no point changing your entire philosophy to try and emulate someone else, he should stick to the principles that got him the job in the first place, the same ideals that won him 2-3 manager of the year awards and caught many positive reviews along the way.

At least then, if and when he fails/not deemed good enough for this club, he could at least look back without regrets and say "I did it my way." trying to emulate someone you're not, abandoning everything that got you job isn't going to end well.
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You have a point there, if he had made us defensively better that would be something, then you can work on the forward play. However our defence has been atrocious. Is that because it needs major changes/or impacting injuries. He will be hoping our glass defenders can stay fit to get them organised.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
In hindsight Moyes should have taken a year under SAF to learn about us. SAF leaving suddenly meant he was not as prepared as he should have been. The management of this team not takes some preparation. The club was big when SAF took over, now it is huge.
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That was never going to happen because if we brought Moyes in with Fergie still here, everyone would have known retirement was on the horizon.

Would it have helped? Sure, but at the end of the day, football is not a perfect world and coaches always end up getting jobs in less than perfect circumstances. There's just no excusing how badly Moyes has done.
 
Ringo 07 said:
There's 2 things Moyes needs to do in this job if he wants to survive........First of course is to get a top number 2. I have a feeling that he is gonna bring Queiroz back over the summer.
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I don't see Carlos coming in to be Moyes's number two...

The issue is bigger than that, anyway. A top coach wouldn't help much unless Moyes gave him a lot of rope and tons of control over football matters. Can he afford to do that, so soon into his tenure, when he has yet to assert himself? Can his pride handle it? Can he actually bring in a number two and just disconnect himself from training, tactics, etc?

I just don't think it's a solution. Moyes is a hands-on manager, he does his own training, etc. That's fine, that's the man and those are his ways. If those ways aren't good enough for United, we don't need to give someone else half of his job. We need to give someone else all of it.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
In hindsight Moyes should have taken a year under SAF to learn about us. SAF leaving suddenly meant he was not as prepared as he should have been. The management of this team not takes some preparation. The club was big when SAF took over, now it is huge.
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The thing is, while it would've helped, Moyes was still given an entire summer. He had no less time than the likes of Mourinho, Pellegrini etc who went into their new jobs. Yeah, taking over from Fergie was a bigger task, but if a manager needs a season of shadowing someone else to see how they do the job to avoid finishing 6th/7th instead of 1st, they're probably not up to the job.
 
Cheesy said:
The thing is, while it would've helped, Moyes was still given an entire summer. He had no less time than the likes of Mourinho, Pellegrini etc who went into their new jobs. Yeah, taking over from Fergie was a bigger task, but if a manager needs a season of shadowing someone else to see how they do the job to avoid finishing 6th/7th instead of 1st, they're probably not up to the job.
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They had both been at the madhouse that is Real Madrid. Moyes was at Everton, there is no comparison to the pressure at this job or the Real job. Could you imagine the Real fans if he was unveiled as manager there?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
In hindsight Moyes should have taken a year under SAF to learn about us. SAF leaving suddenly meant he was not as prepared as he should have been. The management of this team not takes some preparation. The club was big when SAF took over, now it is huge.
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I disagree. He may have learnt a few things (language for example - like Guardiola) but I doubt that it would have changed significantly that much.

The problem is very clear, he just isn't that good. One year under Ferguson - while it may have improved him (or not?) - wouldn't make much difference. When you are at around 50 it isn't that you learn a lot of things and change completely your style.
 
Revan said:
I disagree. He may have learnt a few things (language for example - like Guardiola) but I doubt that it would have changed significantly that much.

The problem is very clear, he just isn't that good. One year under Ferguson - while it may have improved him (or not?) - wouldn't make much difference. When you are at around 50 it isn't that you learn a lot of things and change completely your style.
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As I had mentioned before it may have been a pity he didn't become Fergies 2nd in command all those years ago. He was a lot younger and not as set in his ways.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They had both been at the madhouse that is Real Madrid. Moyes was at Everton, there is no comparison to the pressure at this job or the Real job. Could you imagine the Real fans if he was unveiled as manager there?
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But if we're using the fact that he had only been at Everton then surely he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They had both been at the madhouse that is Real Madrid. Moyes was at Everton, there is no comparison to the pressure at this job or the Real job. Could you imagine the Real fans if he was unveiled as manager there?
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Which is why we should have been looking at coaches with experience at the highest level. As if replacing Fergie wasn't an issue enough, not having coaches at the levels we should be at was even worse.
 
Revan said:
I disagree. He may have learnt a few things (language for example - like Guardiola) but I doubt that it would have changed significantly that much.

The problem is very clear, he just isn't that good. One year under Ferguson - while it may have improved him (or not?) - wouldn't make much difference. When you are at around 50 it isn't that you learn a lot of things and change completely your style.
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Im not defending Moyes here.
This is an observation with respect to cliches. I am now 52 and hitting 50 doesnt mean you stop learning or are set in your ways. I coach completely differently now than when I did just 5 years ago. Last season I went on 6 different types of coaching course. I note that among the coaching circles I am involved in most of us are of similar ages and the transformations and changes in thinking and adapting to the needs of the job mean we are constantly learning and changing. The idea that when people get to a certain age they are set in their ways is quite wrong.
 
Queiroz has managed Real Madrid, so wouldn't come back as number 2 to Moyes. What a notion!
 
Rednails said:
Anyway the one thing we can thank Moyes for is upping the noise level in the stadium these days. Although I have to admit it sounds a bit hysterical sometimes.

Being a mid-table club takes some getting used to though. I mean, we have to wait till the end of MotD to see our match now, unless we have been playing a top 4 side. And today I had to wade through 9 pages of the sports section before getting to our report. Not good enough! :mad::rolleyes:
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I know we're all doing the "look how sh!t we are" routine. But we'll finish 6th, or 7th, just above midtable I'd say
 
Ringo 07 said:
There's 2 things Moyes needs to do in this job if he wants to survive........First of course is to get a top number 2. I have a feeling that he is gonna bring Queiroz back over the summer. But I was thinking if we really wanted to bring in the innovation and style we all crave then Luis Enrique could be a top guy to bring in as a number 2 if we had any way of poaching him from Celta Vigo.....I'm sure we could offer him more wages here than he is on there to be a number 2.....he may not have proven to be the best manager but he is meant to be a master when it comes to attacking formations.

But knowing Moyes he'll probably promote Phil Neville as his number 2 as will be gone by Christmas after blowing another 200 million
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If moyes stays i just cannot see him changing his coaching team to do so would be him pretty much admitting he made a mistake in sacking Phelan & Rene, no chance moyes is going to hold his hands up on that one plus i think it would make him look a bit weak like he needs help to coach this team.

Also the board won't be able to make him take an experienced assistant like Queiroz on because again it would dilute his authority and despite making it look so at times this season, i don't think moyes is a stupid man he would probably guess right off the bat that if they asked him to take an experienced former manager as an assistant he would know they were just a caretaker manager in waiting incase the board decide to pull the trigger on him during the season.

Happened with Grant at chelsea and Rene at fulham off the top of my head.

Though i agree he looks like he needs help with tactics, just can't see him swallowing his pride and asking for it though.
 
I'm not surprised if Giggs is getting pissed off. He is probably the one left who has contributed the most to build United and make it what it is today, and now he can only sit by and watch Moyes and his cohort piss it all away spectacularly.

It'd be more of a surprised if he WASN'T falling out with him.
 
This time next year this thread will have doubled in size but the mood and sentiments will still be same. We are the only club in the world that would continue with a failing manager and the only fans who will quietly accept mediocrity out of a sense of tradition and loyalty. Those 2 things ceased to exist in football when the Premier League was formed 2 decades ago
 
Stack said:
Im not defending Moyes here.
This is an observation with respect to cliches. I am now 52 and hitting 50 doesnt mean you stop learning or are set in your ways. I coach completely differently now than when I did just 5 years ago. Last season I went on 6 different types of coaching course. I note that among the coaching circles I am involved in most of us are of similar ages and the transformations and changes in thinking and adapting to the needs of the job mean we are constantly learning and changing. The idea that when people get to a certain age they are set in their ways is quite wrong.
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Thanks mate.

Guess I was wrong, so I eat my words. I am not sure that I have seen on the top level a manager changing his style that much (after first few years when they usually tinker a bit until they decide pretty much what formation and tactics to use) so this would have been a bit more correct (if it is) rather than saying that a coach who isn't in the beginning of the career doesn't learn much.
 
mic.m said:
This time next year this thread will have doubled in size but the mood and sentiments will still be same. We are the only club in the world that would continue with a failing manager and the only fans who will quietly accept mediocrity out of a sense of tradition and loyalty. Those 2 things ceased to exist in football when the Premier League was formed 2 decades ago
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Do you really think we are accepting mediocrity?. This forum and other Utd forums are bursting at the seams with threads of discontent. The majority from what i can see would like to see Moyes gone. I dont think Utd fans are accepting mediocrity at all. The match day fans are doing a great job of trying to lift and support the team during games but that doesnt mean they are accepting the current problems.
 
Revan said:
Thanks mate.

Guess I was wrong, so I eat my words. I am not sure that I have seen on the top level a manager changing his style that much (after first few years when they usually tinker a bit until they decide pretty much what formation and tactics to use) so this would have been a bit more correct (if it is) rather than saying that a coach who isn't in the beginning of the career doesn't learn much.
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For manager over 50's with decades of experience, they might change to certain level, but the core of his principal stay the same. Fergie went from gung-ho approach in European games, to more possession based style. But his core philosophy on how his team play is still similar to the 90's: attractive, fast attack with bodies in the box (as Scholes suggested), with abundance believe of winning the game.

Then you compare it with Moyes, as Tim Howard said, of being hard to beat by trying to stop the opponent as his main philosophy. Rumor is, Giggs' discontent is down to this also.

The big difference is all there to see, if people being open minded and want to see. Now the question is, is Moyes philosophy really the 'United way'? For sure, not United that I love for decades.
 
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Talking Vulture said:
That's it in a nutshell. This twat isn't going to change our style of play. He's fecking useless.
He's never won 5 league games in a row. Staggering statistic. Even more staggering when Everton managed it yesterday
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Horrible shitc**t. :mad:

What'd you reckon would be the consequences of holding up a Moyes Out banner in the next few games? Ban from the stadium? Would be the worst they could do eh?
 
When we aren't playing I feel a lot more optimistic about Moyes :lol:. Currently in the "he can still come good" side of my fickle-o-meter.
 
We were underdogs against liverpool and now we are favorites against the best team in the world...you gotta love Moyes!
 
So the Moyes PR machine is putting the Kroos to United rumours in the tabloids every few nights to keep us all believing that he can deliver the big boys in teh summer and therefor should get more time

According to the mirror tonight Bayern have absolutely no intention of letting Kroos go and will offer him a much better deal soon.....That's gonna leave MOyes looking pretty stupid again and will maybe resort him to lining up Osman to play with fellaini in the Utd midfield for the start of next season

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-toni-3319171
 
Ringo 07 said:
So the Moyes PR machine is putting the Kroos to United rumours in the tabloids every few nights to keep us all believing that he can deliver the big boys in teh summer and therefor should get more time

According to the mirror tonight Bayern have absolutely no intention of letting Kroos go and will offer him a much better deal soon.....That's gonna leave MOyes looking pretty stupid again and will maybe resort him to lining up Osman to play with fellaini in the Utd midfield for the start of next season

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-toni-3319171
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If he signed Osman, someone would take a contract out on him.
 
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