One season when the term top 4 was still pretty much loose - Newcastle were 3rd or 4th the season before, weren't they? Once we had established 4 good teams in England they didn't come close (understandably).
Moyes So Far!
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Alright.I know we are not allowed to comment on posters but there needs to be a rethink on your tagline. Not the nice guy part, which I think you are.
I personally don't think replacing SAF's coaching staff was a mistake well at least not his biggest one. This club worked with coaches taking the training and seeing the manager on the training pitch rarely, now moyes is taking training it is not unreasonable to assume the players subconsciously think of him as their coach and not their manager. That manager figure they had is gone could explain why they look like they are lacking leadership.
I have read numerous times of players past and present saying they were terrified of ferguson when he did venture onto the training pitch even as far back as the cliff days when he had a window that overlooked training, and i can see how they thought that, in most work scenarios you have a supervisor you see everyday and a manager/boss/owner you wouldn't see so often, which one would most people be more afraid of?
I know we are not allowed to comment on posters but there needs to be a rethink on your tagline. Not the nice guy part, which I think you are.
It really gets me when people say that he managed to finish top 4-6 with Everton. He finished 4th almost 10 years ago when there wasn't any established big 4 and teams like Bolton looked like they could make it there at one point or another and never came close to repeating that feat. He got them into the top half consistently, around 7th usually, that's all. He wasn't a miracle worker there, he was a solid mid-table manager (like he's been at United this season).
That, and I hate him too. He's been destroying my favourite club for the best part of a year now, never taking the blame.
I don't get it either when his apologists come up with "He consistently finished 4th-7th". He's done it ONCE, years and years ago.
It's like an amateur golfer once shooting a 3 under par and his fans all think he should turn pro despite him never ever doing it again.
Yeah and then he proceeds to blame players ("I pick the team", yeah and you are supposed to set the team up too) and say that he needs to rebuild suggesting they aren't good enough. Then again I'm probably over-analyzing things, I just don't like the man.
I hate when I read that sacking Moyes now would be knee jerk.
Spurs sacking AVB was knee jerk.
Fulham sacking Meulensteen was the very definition of the term knee jerk.
Sacking Moyes after nearly an entire season of major under achievement is the sensible option.
Moyes doesn't do himself any favours at all, if he was to come out and say
"look I've made many mistakes this season but I have a vision and ambition for Manchester United to be playing good-quality first class attacking football and I believe along with the board that this will be achievable in the very near future. With a few additions in the summer we will once again be delivering the level of football that these wonderful fans deserve".
I think that we would all be far more tolerant of him.
Instead we get him trying to shift all of the blame away from himself and onto everyone and everything else.
That is unacceptable and cowardly. Admit your mistakes in life and people will respect you for it!
Spurs sacking AVB was knee jerk.
Fulham sacking Meulensteen was the very definition of the term knee jerk.
Sacking Moyes after nearly an entire season of major under achievement is the sensible option.
Moyes doesn't do himself any favours at all, if he was to come out and say
"look I've made many mistakes this season but I have a vision and ambition for Manchester United to be playing good-quality first class attacking football and I believe along with the board that this will be achievable in the very near future. With a few additions in the summer we will once again be delivering the level of football that these wonderful fans deserve".
I think that we would all be far more tolerant of him.
Instead we get him trying to shift all of the blame away from himself and onto everyone and everything else.
That is unacceptable and cowardly. Admit your mistakes in life and people will respect you for it!
Indeed, it should have been a condition of the appointment. Instead he brought in a bunch of relative nobodies who look as much out of place as their boss does. This and giving him an unprecedented 6 year contract was unfathomable. It was as if they had a total blind faith in Moyes to step up into another world altogether and take on this massive job and be a success when there was nothing in his CV to suggest that had the experience or the ability to do so. Absolutely incredible.
And even more incredibly the Glazers seem to accept the current situation and aren't doing sod all about it.
The revisionism of United history is remarkable at the moment.
Apparently United's history has always been about persisting with mediocrity in the pursuit of stability. Which doesn't really tally with Massimo Taibi...
Apparently United's history has always been about persisting with mediocrity in the pursuit of stability. Which doesn't really tally with Massimo Taibi...
Dave Sexton would have won the European Cup with more time...
The Scousers would have been back on their perch years ago if they only had the patience to give Roy Evans a real go at it.
All about time mate. If Arsenal had only persisted with Bruce Rioch...Arsene who?
Exactly, in fact Wimbledon would have been the dominating team in England now if they gave Egil Olsen more time...
Can we make Giggs caretaker for rest of the season?
Seriously consider kagawa. Moyes you fecking idiot these games are made for him you bloody dimwit!
Moyes generally finished where a club of Everton's stature should finish, his average Premier League finish with Everton was 8th. He was the manager of a club that was fair deal bigger than the teams who finished below him.
Fwiw, George Burley was once named manager of the Year after taking Ipswich to fifth, only missing out on a Champions League spot on the very last day of the season.
Giggs just gets it doesn't he... love him!
I'm glad he finally gave up that "Liverpool are favorites cr*p".
That's right Giggsy! You tell him!
So I guess it's fair to say that Shinji won't sniff the ball in this one.
Giggsy should probably have said that we used to play football in the right way. Under Moyes we look more like Stoke.
Can we just sack moyes now and give giggly the caretaker role? We might have a chance then.
Yep, appears that despite showing what a player he can be these past few weeks, he hasn't a chance in hell of starting this. Valencia it is then.
He's yong and lernin
After Busby it was the first two managers who didn't last long. Who knows how long Tommy Doc would lasted if he hadn't been a naughty boy. Maybe in that case we wouldn't have even had Dave Sexton. Even Big Ron was given some time, winning two cups, however even then we knew what we wanted and that was the league. Our standards and expectations have been lowered and that should not happen. Then you had to win the league to get into European Cup/CL, now you have four shots at it. That should be the very minimum.
I say every big match that I hope he goes for it but I think it's inevitable he'll go defensive; it's a rational approach in normal circumstances but we're abysmal at playing without the ball. It doesn't help with Fellaini in the team - that was evident in both ties versus City.
There's 2 things Moyes needs to do in this job if he wants to survive........First of course is to get a top number 2. I have a feeling that he is gonna bring Queiroz back over the summer. But I was thinking if we really wanted to bring in the innovation and style we all crave then Luis Enrique could be a top guy to bring in as a number 2 if we had any way of poaching him from Celta Vigo.....I'm sure we could offer him more wages here than he is on there to be a number 2.....he may not have proven to be the best manager but he is meant to be a master when it comes to attacking formations.
Also we need to poach the psychiatrist Dr. Steve Peters from Liverpool....The bloke has been responsible for transforming the fortunes of Liverpool, Ronnie O'Sullivan and Team Sky. The man must be a phenomenon
But knowing Moyes he'll probably promote Phil Neville as his number 2 as will be gone by Christmas after blowing another 200 million
Also we need to poach the psychiatrist Dr. Steve Peters from Liverpool....The bloke has been responsible for transforming the fortunes of Liverpool, Ronnie O'Sullivan and Team Sky. The man must be a phenomenon
But knowing Moyes he'll probably promote Phil Neville as his number 2 as will be gone by Christmas after blowing another 200 million
Yet he isn't, is he? He's not in his 30's/early 40's. He should know better.
He has done a great job there, but who would we need him for the team or the manager?
C'mon mate stop being so harsh. As Moyes has said himself even Fergie would struggle with this team, and with all due respect Guardiola had a year out to learn German and he's inherited the European Champions. He just needs time... apparently.
In hindsight Moyes should have taken a year under SAF to learn about us. SAF leaving suddenly meant he was not as prepared as he should have been. The management of this team not takes some preparation. The club was big when SAF took over, now it is huge.
Maybe, after all it took him about a year to learn about our players despite taking them at training all season since last July...
...or at least that's what they tell me about him.
Anyway the one thing we can thank Moyes for is upping the noise level in the stadium these days. Although I have to admit it sounds a bit hysterical sometimes.
Being a mid-table club takes some getting used to though. I mean, we have to wait till the end of MotD to see our match now, unless we have been playing a top 4 side. And today I had to wade through 9 pages of the sports section before getting to our report. Not good enough!
Being a mid-table club takes some getting used to though. I mean, we have to wait till the end of MotD to see our match now, unless we have been playing a top 4 side. And today I had to wade through 9 pages of the sports section before getting to our report. Not good enough!
The only other defensive manager I can think in football history that was given an open cheque book to sign whomever they wanted is Maninci - and he was as dour at Man City as a dour defensive manager could have been with unlimited resources and rightly got the boot after serial underachieving despite a limited bit of success.
I hope Moyes doesn't blow 200 million quid and still make us look dour and defensive next season. I hope he understands the philosophy of this club and brings in an exciting number 2 to save his ass.
I hope Moyes doesn't blow 200 million quid and still make us look dour and defensive next season. I hope he understands the philosophy of this club and brings in an exciting number 2 to save his ass.
City played brilliant football in Mancini's penultimate season, we were the ones who went defensive. They were crushing teams left right and centre.
Of course he will, that's his mentality and his way of doing things. Will Guardiola start playing like Big Sam next year? Will Klopp have his teams set-up like Tony Pulis? of course not.
Managers don't change that dramatically and David Moyes is no different. He's not going to have a road to Catalonia moment and change his entire footballing philosophy, is he?
That's it in a nutshell. This twat isn't going to change our style of play. He's fecking useless.
He's never won 5 league games in a row. Staggering statistic. Even more staggering when Everton managed it yesterday
Seriously? Is the world playing some horrible trick on Manchester United? I feel like I'm in a Dali painting, and f*** knows what's going on.
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again:
To be honest I hope, if thats what hes best at, (building defensively sound, organised teams) then he should set up his team and play that way regardless, so often this season I swear to god he's tried to be Sir Alex mk#2, except, he isn't Sir Alex, nobody is, least of all him, no point changing your entire philosophy to try and emulate someone else, he should stick to the principles that got him the job in the first place, the same ideals that won him 2-3 manager of the year awards and caught many positive reviews along the way.
At least then, if and when he fails/not deemed good enough for this club, he could at least look back without regrets and say "I did it my way." trying to emulate someone you're not, abandoning everything that got you job isn't going to end well.
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I would love to see a clip of the whole presser. Anyone has it pls post it up
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