What should speak volumes about Moyes' inability to get the best out of his team is the fact that Everton will have more points under Martinez in his first season than they had in any of their seasons under Moyes. Nevermind the fact he overachieved with limited resources, he couldn't quite get the best out of the players he had over there and basically took them nowhere - they were a solid mid-table side and that's it. It's extremely baffling why anyone would ever think that he could possibly improve enough to be an asset at Manchester United, it just won't happen in a million years.
Moyes So Far!
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He doesn't seem likable at all to me. He seems smug, arrogant and full of himself. This is another issue I have with him, it's difficult to like him when he consistently defends HIMSELF above all else.
In my wildest dreams Jurgen Klopp punches Moyes in the face repeatedly until he resigns, then takes over and hugs all players.
So is that something to look forward to? If he goes we will all be deliriously happy.
He might have scouted us and played against us, but he doesn't know them as people, who trains well, who doesn't. As they say, you don't know someone until you live with them.
The reality of the situation is starting to dawn on us all, Moyes has complete immunity from the sack this year, Bayern will knock us out, based on the reality of the two teams performances in big games this year, its just a question of how many the put past us, and still Moyes won't get sacked, it's pointless to wish for a heavy defeat in hopes of a change, because it just won't happen.
The more interesting game for me is the one at Goodison coming up, where 40,000 Evertonians will no doubt, from start to finish riddicule him, and God alone help him if his team doesn't turn up that day, the reaction would be beyond humiliating.
The reality is he's going to get the summer come what may, to rebuild, but again we see nothing, literally nothing that indicates a turn around could be possible next year, and at which point the moneymen at our club may just be starting to bite their fingernails at the reality of missing Champions League revenue for a second season running, then we'll see if the clubs mantra "We're different, we're better, we stand by our manager" actually rings true.
Until that point i'm not getting my hopes up of a managerial switch, I'm strapping myself in for another year of this horror show, sad but the reality of the situation.
The more interesting game for me is the one at Goodison coming up, where 40,000 Evertonians will no doubt, from start to finish riddicule him, and God alone help him if his team doesn't turn up that day, the reaction would be beyond humiliating.
The reality is he's going to get the summer come what may, to rebuild, but again we see nothing, literally nothing that indicates a turn around could be possible next year, and at which point the moneymen at our club may just be starting to bite their fingernails at the reality of missing Champions League revenue for a second season running, then we'll see if the clubs mantra "We're different, we're better, we stand by our manager" actually rings true.
Until that point i'm not getting my hopes up of a managerial switch, I'm strapping myself in for another year of this horror show, sad but the reality of the situation.
I am just hoping all the sniping coming from Everton fans and players has made him angry and he will be that fired up it transmits itself to the team.
Everton will smell blood, they will likely be in contention for top 4 and they know Moyes inside out, they know his style, they know what to expect. They will absolutely batter us over there, 4-0 like.
It's almost beyond doubt now that come the start of next season United need to have installed a manager who has a proven track record of success at the top level, who has the personality, charisma and tactical nous to manage a club of United's stature in world football. One would hope that the new man will bring with him a trusted back up team to replace the nobodies Moyes brought in. Giggsy can retire and take up a management role elsewhere which will, hopefully, signal the start of a very successful career in that field. Likewise Phil Neville. We can then start over a new leaf and, with a healthy kitty to work with, the new manager can start going about attracting top talent to re-build the side. Almost certainly a manager of experience and stature will help considerably in that quest whereas Moyes will struggle. This move needs to be done sooner rather than later. Let's hope the club grasps the nettle quickly. Any delay along the lines of "another season to give him more time" could prove very costly in the medium term and could make the eventual job of replacing Moyes that much harder.
What about Hindi?Give Moyes 20 years off, and let him learn German, French, Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Danish, Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese.
You would hope that after 11 years he would know the Everton players as well.
I thought that before they came to OT and beat us for the first time in a million years.
He will try to make it hard to them to win.
Everton now play nothing like they did under Moyes. He wouldn't have a clue how to implement such a style of play let alone counteract it.
Am I the only one that thought Everton didn't play horrible football last year? Geez. He has Mirallas and Pienaar on the wings, Baines and Coleman at FB, they hardly played like Stoke. It's likely they'll score 5/10 more goals this season overall but the addition of Lukaku over Jelavic accounts for that on its own.
edit: Should be noted that I still think Martinez has done an excellent job - and part of his credit is getting good players like Lukaku on loan. But that doesn't mean Everton played horrible football all the time under Moyes.
edit: Should be noted that I still think Martinez has done an excellent job - and part of his credit is getting good players like Lukaku on loan. But that doesn't mean Everton played horrible football all the time under Moyes.
I thought that after I made my post.
They didn't play badly at all, as you say Martinez has got Lukaku, if Moyes had him last season, would they have finished even higher, his goals and style of play have been vital to Everton.
I wonder how it would have affected Everton if Lukaku had stayed at West Brom for another season. It's strange how Chelsea have moved him onto a bigger club, he has done well and in the Sunday papers it was mentioned about selling him. Are they going to make another mistake like Sturridge.
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That will be the time when a loss can truly be a win.If they brought the wrong manager in to replace him, that mood could change quickly again.
One of things that may work in Moyes favour next season, but will work against him this summer, is finding a replacement.
No Board of Directors would consider giving til December on the basis they can sack him if it doesn't work out, for the simple fact that no replacements would be available. You could end up with no-one available to take over, and the only people who want to not having enough experience. I love Giggs but its total guesswork thinking he might be able to take over. We literally have no idea how that could work out.
The time to replace a manager is in the summer. That makes this summer a higher risk for Moyes. The Board have to be convinced that Moyes is going to not just get CL football, but challenge at the top of the table. Or at least convinced that he'll do a better job than any other available manager. But if he does stick it out, short of another complete car crash, he'll be given til next summer for the same reason he stuck out this season.
They didn't, but they've played some tumescent stuff over the years, I generally avoided Everton games when United were not the opponents, perhaps watching the Merseyside duels but thats about it, they've never been a particuarly exciting team at any point over Moyes decade there, more of a grind out results machine, Martinez football has been very sexy at times this season, there's no denying it, but its been built on the solid foundation that Moyes built and drilled into the side, the real test before Martinez can truely be annointed with the messiah title will be improving the side as the back four starts to age.
Are there enough people on that board to understand this? Or are they going to take the advice of SAF, SBC and David Gill, the former two might not want to admit they were wrong and it could end up a disaster, it might not, but it could.
If they brought the wrong manager in to replace him, that mood could change quickly again.
Life is a box of chocolates. Sometimes you get the good ones, and sometimes you get Moyes.
And that is the problem. It seems, on the face of it, that there are no dissenting voices. The Glazers relied entirely on the Fergie/Gill partnership to keep things ticking over competitively whilst not letting go of the purse strings - so why should they trust anyone else's views? Woodward would no doubt support Moyes too. If this were Tampa Bay, Moyes would have gone by now but because Fergie and to a lesser extent Charlton say give him more time, with Woodward backing them up, it seems as if Moyes will be given another season at least. Either that or the Glazers step in and say enough is enough but they probably wouldn't do that until halfway through next season - assuming things don't improve radically. The longer they leave it the more problematic this is likely to become.
Perhaps he didn't know who trains well and who doesn't not that would excuse his mismanagement of this squad this season, but even if that were the case he is acting like he knew nothing about this team or club which is dishonest on his part in my opinion, most managers come in with an idea of what they want to do in terms of ins and outs, they take pre-season training and matches assess the squad then buy/sell who they think they need to. Why couldn't moyes do this.
You don't need a year to prepare or to take over the european champions to be successful as moyes suggests, and his quotes about guardiola were ridiculous.
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In hindsight those comments were worrying and a little bit strange at the time, he acted like he had been on the moon and had never seen or heard of any of our players.
Moyes ''They tell me, Ryan giggs is it? They tell me ryan is an experienced player who has won a lot of trophies, well i don't know about any of that but over the next year i will assess him and see what he can bring to the team.''
The major difference being that O' Neill was given much more money to spend than Moyes. And it was when Lerner decided to tighten the purse strings that O' Neill threw his toys out of the pram, perhaps because he didn't fancy trying to get Villa into the top 4-6 on a budget, like Moyes had to.
This is where keeping even one of Fergie's coaching staff would have been a massive help to him. They knew the players inside out. That might end up as his biggest regret. All the people at the club who could advice him on this have gone. SAF wasn't always at training so not sure if he would be much help.
In terms of charisma O'Neill is on a different level all together than to Moyes. I prefer O'Neill to Moyes but they are both dinosaurs and both of them would need to spend a few seasons learning the ways of modern attacking football before being ready for a top club. O'Neill is the best motivator out there but his out of date tactics are his Achilles heel.
Moyes did not get Everton into top 4.
YOu might be spot on here. No organisation replaces its top people just because the CEO has been changed especially a winning team. The argument could be its football... different animal. Really? Its not about people?
He did. Do not let your hatred cloud your sanity.
The Lukaku defence is a funny one, I mean, Martinez went out there and got him. It's like judging any manager and then saying, yeah but he got lucky because he brought in "x" player.
I don't think he's the right guy, but let's not make up facts.
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