Moyes So Far!
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Passing on Mourinho in favour of Moyes is the worst decision ever, a worse decision than the Blazers picking Sam Bowie (who?) ahead of Michael Jordan.
Plenty? I doubt you'd find anywhere near 25% in 03/04, never mind the 90% we're seeing on Moyes...
True, we should ask him for advice once Moyes is sacked.To be fair he has had plenty of practice at it over the last 10 years
Sam Bowie would have been an excellent player if he hadn't broken both his legs in 2 years
Blazers and injuries, seriously. It was a bad decision in hindsight, but wasn't crazy at the time. Oden over Durant as well, the Blazers are the unluckiest team in the universe.Yea that's totally comparable to what we've seen. Well done.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-season-training--believe-doesnt-easier.html
Football the Matt Busby way.
Dunno what the Blazers is but if we had the option on Mourinho and we passed him up for this cnut...
Sam Bowie would have been an excellent player if he hadn't broken both his legs in 2 years
Anywhere near Michael Jordan level?
Fact is we passed on one of the greatest of all time for a mediocre midtable manager.
Souness was never a top class class manager, only got the job because he played there and was so good as a player. Hodgson was always a lower table manager, baffling that they brought him in ever and it was very predictable that they'd be shit with him. Scolari was 4th when he got the sack, and in all the cups still. Much better then Moyes. Pretty much for all of them you can say that they did a lot better then Moyes has done at United, probably playing better/more attacking football and not being continually humiliated against any top half team. There's really nobody that has had the chance to do as bad as Moyes because most have been sacked for much less so you can't compare anyone with him because we're the only ones stupid enough to stick with somebody so obviously out of his depth. Ridiculous.
Funny how people give slight digs and underrate our old manager and all of our players in defence to Moyes. It's like they want to defend him under all costs that they're willing to criticize anything and anyone just so they can't be branded as knee jerk fans (we're long past that point) or for the tiny chance they can say "I told you so" 3 years down the line.
someone just asked if its true that people wanted fergie out and then asked if it was 1988... not sure what you think im comparing to
what? the lad asked when people wanted fergie out, was it 1988, and im just saying it was in 2003 ish that fergie out was doing the rounds. just stating simple fact where is your thought process taking you here?
The closest example is Benitez at Inter, he took the Treble winners to 6th place by December (13pts behind 1st placed Milan - but with 2 games in hand), and was sacked.
This been posted yet? Mr. Bobbins on Guardiola:
“He had a year of preparation before he took the job in Munich,” Moyes said. “It gave him the chance to learn German, watch the games, so I think he did take over maybe a bit more prepared and ready. Also, with respect, he took over the champions of Europe which means they had a lot of things in place.”
“He had a year of preparation before he took the job in Munich,” Moyes said. “It gave him the chance to learn German, watch the games, so I think he did take over maybe a bit more prepared and ready. Also, with respect, he took over the champions of Europe which means they had a lot of things in place.”
I really do find it amazing that he himself has suggested several times that he knew next to nothing about our team and players before he got the job.
Right... so Moyes didn't get the chance to learn English (frankly his English skills, or at least his PR skills in English is a lot worse than the likes of Mourinho and English is like Jose's 3rd language?) or watch Premier League games... it's all Sir Alex's fault, should have lined him up back in May and managed us this season and Moyes gets time to prepare.
Also, he took over the champions of England which means we have nothing in place.
Poor Moyes, we should be thankful we're 7th."It gave him the chance to learn German" .... sweet Mary mother of Jesus.
I wonder what he makes of Mourinho at Chelsea, he didn't get a season out to learn English (okay he already speaks better English than Moyes) or watch Premier League games... and he took over the 3rd placed side which by definition has less than nothing in place.
Reminds me of the famous quote by Jack Walker to Kenny Dalglish: "Why do you want to sign Zidane when we have Tim Sherwood?"Anywhere near Michael Jordan level?
Fact is we passed on one of the greatest of all time for a mediocre midtable manager.
Sounds like something he would do. I remember when he was being touted as a potential successor to SAF... oh dear.Didn't Martin O'Neill turn down Falcao in favour of signing Emile Heskey?!
Not necessarily aimed at you, but I've seen quite a few people say stuff like it. Playing down Sir Alex's achievements, say he would've struggled when there were no signs at all that would be the case, or comparing his start to Moyes. The truth is, is that Sir Alex was one of a kind. Just because he did doesn't mean Moyes can come back from this (much worse then Sir Alex's start as well, completely different situations). It's as if that certain people are backing Moyes so much that they don't care who they end up criticizing as long as they are seen as pro moyes. Yours wasn't really criticizing him but its putting it in a completely different situation, when we already won loads with Sir Alex, and were still consistently in the top 3. That's not comparable in any way to how Moyes has done.
He's right when would he have got the chance to see us play? Well ok his team played against us twice a year for 11 years, and he scouted us before those games, and probably watched us on the tv a few times as well, but apart from all those times that he watched us how could he have possibly knew anything about us, he needed the first year to get to know everyones names, next year what position they play, right-footed-left footed etc. 5 years from now he'll know this team inside out.
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Right... so Moyes didn't get the chance to learn English (frankly his English skills, or at least his PR skills in English is a lot worse than the likes of Mourinho and English is like Jose's 3rd language?) or watch Premier League games... it's all Sir Alex's fault, should have lined him up back in May and managed us this season and Moyes gets time to prepare.
Also, he took over the champions of England which means we have nothing in place.
The direct inference of what he said is that we did not have a lot of things in place at the club.
I refuse to believe there was a more stable football club in the world than Manchester United under Sir Alex. Absolutely everything you heard was how everyone was buzzing to go into work everyday. What didn't we have in place for this nob?
One thing that Everton fans have been saying this season is how expert he was at their club at making excuses and shifting blame from himself onto everyone else. I don't accept this bollox about him being a decent man just out of his depth. He's a cnut.
Ya his stock fell fairly quickly after Villa. In saying that he is a massive upgrade for the Rep of Ireland in comparison to Trap!
It seems nothing is ever his fault, the squad is aging even though only 4 players out of 25 are over 30. We weren't European champions so we had nothing in place. The fixtures list was unfair, the refs are unfair, the grass was the wrong shade, the sun was too bright...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-season-training--believe-doesnt-easier.html
Football the Matt Busby way.
Dunno what the Blazers is but if we had the option on Mourinho and we passed him up for this cnut...
To be fair though, professional footballers shouldn't be that out of shape doing ladders (100, 200, 300, 200, 100). We did those when I was running in school, except we did up to 400m. I don't see why it would be part of training at a professional football club though, much less Manchester United.He's not that different from Moyes to be honest. Look at his record with Villa..
Aston Villa's league finishes:
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2005-2006: 16th (before the took over)
2006-2007: 11th (first year with the club)
2007-2008: 6th
2008-2009: 6th
2009-2010: 6th (last year before resigning for problems with the board)
So another 5 years at Aston Villa, and we might be looking at a mirror picture of Moyes at Everton.
I think I just found Moyes' successor.
Oh, please no!
I'm staggered as well at how poorly the transition has taken place. Having Moyes learn on the job on how to manage and win at a big club is ridiculous. It highlights, what I believe are some fairly serious problems at board level for United. I was reading other day that apparently Sir Alex has no direct contact with the Glazers, which if true boggles the mind. You would think as fellow directors they would be in regular contact, at the very least in regular monthly board meetings. How on earth is the board meant to make decisions for the good of the club if they have no regular contact with one another? You would've thought that the person that was ultimately responsible for appointing Moyes would have some sort of regular dialogue with the owners of the club. The main crux of the article I'm referring to was that the Glazers will make the call on Moyes. So why was Sir Alex giving him the job. Seems like there is no cohesion at the very top. At least with Abramovich, love him or loathe him, at Chelsea the buck stops with him.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing with Moyes?you re very good at finding excuses..
I'll play devil's advocate here.
In the period of 2004-06, Fergie was repeatedly criticised from within our fan-base. Not only were we failing to really challenge for the league, there were frequent chants around Old Trafford calling for a return to the traditional 4-4-2 formation and then there was the infamous incident in the airport - "If you don't like it, go and support Chelsea."
Anyone who was around at the time and/or read Dan Taylor's book covering the 2005/06 and 2006/07 seasons will know just how much pressure Ferguson was under during that period.
Although, I do agree that I can't think of another manager who has gone into a big club and taken them from champions to 6th or 7th in one season. Clearly, the pressure which Fergie experienced after a couple of third place finishes and a League Cup success is far different to what Moyes is experiencing now. If Moyes had finished third and won the COC, we would be celebrating a very successful first season, I think.
That's what I had in mind before the start of the season. I thought it would be a decent start for this transitional period if we make top four and a very good start if we make top 3 and win the CO/FA cup. I can't believe how many United fans laughed off my prediction at the time and said we'll be challenging for the title!
He certainly acted that way for a long time after the appointment, which I find staggering.
I'm stilled shocked by that 'yeah, people tell me that about him' about Hernandez's movement upfront in September, after the Liverpool League Cup game. You don't even need to be the United manager in order to know that.
Well, Fergie is a director but isn't actually on the board. Still, if they've given him such power then things should be different. Maybe the Glazers just thought we'd get Fergie's man in, we'd get Woodward as CEO or whatever his job description is now, and then it'll be smooth sailing again just like it was with Gill and Ferguson, when they rarely had to get involved in the football side of matters.
Give Moyes 20 years off, and let him learn German, French, Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Danish, Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese.
I agree, especially that quote about "Fergie would also struggle" and "having an ageing squad" seems like the ramblings of a doomed man. Unless of course the immense pressure really has gotten to him, and he has finally gone insane.
Moyes seems is a likable chap, so i hope for his sake he does the right thing and steps down voluntarily at the end of the season.
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