It doesn't need any miracle, Sherwood is keeping them above us.
Moyes So Far!
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German tactical innovation at Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund lost on the ignorant English
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...und-lost-on-the-ignorant-english-9223608.html
here's just a piece of the article.....it's a great great article and very true ......................
-Stereotypes have a ring of truth. Jürgen Klopp’s Footbonaut, a key element of Borussia Dortmund’s development of players with instinctive technique, peripheral vision and spatial awareness, is his version of Vorsprung durch Technik – advancement through technology.
It is a simple concept which costs around £2million: a player is isolated in something resembling a cage-fighting ring with a 15 metre radius. A computerised system launches balls at him from eight directions. He must have the clarity of thought to make the right decision at speed, and the control to hit one of 72 panels, which lights up at random.
Such innovation is not in vogue in the English game, although a Premier League player of my acquaintance is inordinately proud of recently having lost half a stone undergoing a single course of colonic irrigation.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...und-lost-on-the-ignorant-english-9223608.html
here's just a piece of the article.....it's a great great article and very true ......................
-Stereotypes have a ring of truth. Jürgen Klopp’s Footbonaut, a key element of Borussia Dortmund’s development of players with instinctive technique, peripheral vision and spatial awareness, is his version of Vorsprung durch Technik – advancement through technology.
It is a simple concept which costs around £2million: a player is isolated in something resembling a cage-fighting ring with a 15 metre radius. A computerised system launches balls at him from eight directions. He must have the clarity of thought to make the right decision at speed, and the control to hit one of 72 panels, which lights up at random.
Such innovation is not in vogue in the English game, although a Premier League player of my acquaintance is inordinately proud of recently having lost half a stone undergoing a single course of colonic irrigation.
If he stays for another season or two and completes his job of taking us midtable and wasting our (rumoured) big budget this summer, I really can't see a quick way back for us except to challenge the TV deal.
If Sir Alex can ever explain to us why he didn't choose Mourinho.
It's so painful just thinking about it.
I've heard Valencia has his own custom made one with pictures of various PL left backs that light up instead.
I predict 8th. The current top 4 and then the teams I mentioned will all be above us next year if we persist with Moyes.
He's certainly a man of contradictions - a tight Scot with an strong sense of value, who broke transfer records when when he felt like it, and oversaw massive salary negotiations for Rio, Keane, Rooney and RVP when he joined. But he's been consistent on the agent issue (unless you think there's more to Bebe's transfer than meets the eye) so the idea that he viewed £6m, even out of say a £150m available budget, being paid to an agent as wasted money is entirely possible.
He'll get us to 6th and surpass all expectations. And so we'll have to give him another year.
Well, City and Chelsea will probably help us stay 7th by signing the top players from Southampton.
I've had similar thoughts since these £200m media briefings started making regular appearances - if there really was so much money available to be spent (a "war chest" you could say...) as we were told every summer then why the feck didn't Sir Alex use it? Was the intention so he could leave his successor a lump-sum to spend themselves on rebuilding the squad? Why not use that money himself whilst we were on top so he could leave his successor a better team to inherit? Nasri, Hazard, Sneijder and others were missed-out on due to money issues - why, if they were targets, and the money was actually there to be used? Why do we seem to repeatedly fail to build from a position of strength?
I know we've had some fantastic years recently and I'm grateful, but the idea that there really was a tonne of cash open to Sir Alex to spend but he held-back just infuriates me - what could've the club under Sir Alex have achieved if he'd actually used it?
My thoughts exactly. My own opinion is that Fergie operated largely with one hand tied behind his back financially. Yes, he bought Berbatov but how many players did we lose because of those 'money issues?' You've named three that would have strengthened us considerably.
you are assuming that replacing a manager is plug and play stuff...it s not always like that. Even the best in business had their failures..
a few years ago, Capello had an almost perfect cv,then he took on the England job...
there s no guarantees that van gaal and klopp will be a success in the pl
It's not? Sherwood of all people is keeping Spurs above us, beat us at OT as well.
Pellegrini hadly had that amazing a CV, look how he's doing?
There's no guarantee that anyone will work in any job, but one can normally make a pretty good guess. Mourinho being success anywhere he goes, Moyes not being upto United standard are 2 pretty popular views even before Moyes arrived at United.
Oh please, do you seriously think if Leighton Baines, or indeed anyone else at Everton, had really wanted to follow Moyes to United then they would have been able to stop it? At the very least the agent of Baines would have instructed United to keep bidding.
Give us 20 years.
popular views are not enough....people in the street like fans are not always the best judges...just take a look at politicians who get selected through popular views
popular views are not enough....people in the street like fans are not always the best judges...just take a look at politicians who get selected through popular views
Let's see, online polls wanted Mourinho as our manager, the footballing directors did not.
I wonder which one would have turned out better.
Has any big name, popular manager really gone anywhere and done as bad a job as Moyes had?
With Moyes?
And his successor McLeish.
Let's see, online polls wanted Mourinho as our manager, the footballing directors did not.
I wonder which one would have turned out better.
Has any big name, popular manager really gone anywhere and done as bad a job as Moyes had?
I wrote it before, that sometimes it's so bloody easy. Fergie the football man chose Moyes. Abramovich in 2004 just went or the hottest young manager around. Simple.
Actually, that won't happen, the downturn in stock prices will soon have the Glazers looking for an exit plan and whoever buys the club will sack Moyes.
keep bidding? I assume each club have a limit up to which it would be prepared to go. Re other players interested,we may never know but you cannot make sweeping statements and say no other player was interested
Exactly, at the moment Abramovich certainly has proven he knows more about appointing managers than Sir Alex.
online polls wanted fergie sacked 2 or 3 times. You re just making a case based on one example - works on progress.Let's see, online polls wanted Mourinho as our manager, the footballing directors did not.
I wonder which one would have turned out better.
Has any big name, popular manager really gone anywhere and done as bad a job as Moyes had?
When was this, do you have a link or just making it up as you go along? Don't tell me there are online polls back in 1988.
You can't even name one example of a big name manager going anywhere to completely crash and burn like Moyes has done, can you?
I really doubt this. It may have happened on the eighties but at that time there weren't online polls.
Mourinho or Moyes was such an easy option to be fair. Like choosing between Ronaldo and Milner (with the guarantee that Milner won't ever ask to leave, while Ronaldo may ask).
Klopp to Arsenal...
If that's happened, while United keep Moyes; I'm 100% sure I'll get banned from the Caf for repetitive use of abusive language.
That's one more reason I hate how we are still stuck with all the Britishness thing and all the cons that go with it.
F***ing hell, we are Manchester United... a club that's supposed to have antennas all over the world, consistently looking everywhere for players, pieces of technology, medical expertise, and anything that would help our club grow to no end. I'm seriously fed up with anything people can link to traditionalism with no valid reason that it would work.In all my years of being a football fan, never.
clough - Leeds; souness Liverpool, dalglish Liverpool,Hodgson Liverpool, scolari Chelsea, lippi marcello inter, ...there are a lot more really.
how old are you? 10?That's one more reason I hate how we are still stuck with all the Britishness thing and all the cons that go with it.
In all my years of being a football fan, never.
Nah, Moyes says he's modernizing the club. The lads run 10k in training every day and work on their shape. Don't need to see a ball 'til matchday.
Sad but purely true. Next time, Fergie and Charlton can both step aside.
Now hanging onto Moyes when Van Gaal is available is like persisting with Miller and turning down Robben (because Ronaldo is no longer available).
Me too...
Exactly, some may not be a perfect fit and leave after a while, but I cannot think of one top class manager who's crashed and burnt as badly as Moyes has done this season.That's one more reason I hate how we are still stuck with all the Britishness thing and all the cons that go with it.
In all my years of being a football fan, never.
The closest is Benitez at Treble Inter, guess what, he's neither top class and sacked quite soon.
Sorry to disagree, but these weren't even close. I don't remember the other cases.Hodgson and Dalglish were miles better than Moyes here. Hodgson too the club when they had finished seventh and didn't had a penny to spend. Dalglish actually won a small cup and signed the likes of Suarez and Henderson (and Carroll, Downing and Adam). Actually Kenny was okay though not good, while Hodgson was shit, but still superior to Moyes who had an infinitely better team to start with and spend 65m on new signings.
Scolari was shit, but if I remember they were still on UCL zone (when the league was actually strong) when he was sacked.
how old are you? 10?
I became a football fan later than most people here, but it has been 15 years now that I keep an eye on what's done best anywhere in the game. I'm calling out the closed-mindedness of some of the key people leading our club that is reflected in a number of things, namely the manager and training methods. If you think you can mock me or display any form of arrogance to impress me, you're mistaken.
Clough was too long ago.
Souness was a top class manager before he joined Pool?
Dalglish (I assume 2nd stinti) - top class manager after over a decade out of the game?
Hodgson, top class?
Scolari? Fair point, guess what, he's sacked and they haven't looked back.
Lippi? OKay he took Inter from 8th in 1999 to 4th in 2000 and was sacked, I don't see how that compares to what Moyes has managed.
nothing personal mate
you re very good at finding excuses..Clough was too long ago.
Souness was a top class manager before he joined Pool?
Dalglish (I assume 2nd stinti) - top class manager after over a decade out of the game?
Hodgson, top class?
Scolari? Fair point, guess what, he's sacked and they haven't looked back.
Lippi? OKay he took Inter from 8th in 1999 to 4th in 2000 and was sacked, I don't see how that compares to what Moyes has managed.
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Hodgson and Dalglish were miles better than Moyes here. Hodgson too the club when they had finished seventh and didn't had a penny to spend. Dalglish actually won a small cup and signed the likes of Suarez and Henderson (and Carroll, Downing and Adam). Actually Kenny was okay though not good, while Hodgson was shit, but still superior to Moyes who had an infinitely better team to start with and spend 65m on new signings.
Scolari was shit, but if I remember they were still on UCL zone (when the league was actually strong) when he was sacked.
It's telling that we're now arguing over the level of Moyes's catastrophic tenure against other historically colossal failures. So-Moyes may not be the biggest failure ever-what a pedantic debate. To say @Kakeru may not be correct misses the larger point-that we're now legitimately placing Moyes's tenure as either the greatest, or among the greatest failures in footballing coaching history.
you re very good at finding excuses..
Does any of those you mentioned even come remotely close to Mourinho in terms of being highly rated? I'll give you the Lippol and Scolari ones.
Like I said Lippi took them from 8th to 4th, not great and sacked after the season, but still miles and miles better than what Moyes has done.
Scolari took Chelsea from 2nd in 2008 to 4th when he was sacked in Feb 2009, still in the CL and FA Cup, again, miles and miles better than Moyes.
I honestly think his might be the worst managerial appointment in top-division modern football history. It has to be right up there.
plenty wanted fergie out in 2003/2004
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