I'm not sure why people are so worried about Moyes' spending. He's brought two proven Premier League players in already, one being a truly world class talent on his day. The players we've been linked with are certainly quality. What we should be worried about is Moyes' apparent plan to utilise these signings and his general tactics. I'm still unsure we'll see the best out of Mata under Moyes.
Moyes So Far!
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I remember hearing Law talk about the Busby years in another context - saying that Busby was very easy to follow in terms of tactics, because he basically just told 'em to go out there and do the best they could! Probably an exaggeration, but still - it's clear that the transition from Busby's style to chalkboards and specific instructions for defending corners would have been great.
I'm sure Moyes wont get the best out of him. Or the likes of Kroos if we sign them. Hopefully, he signs top drawer so that when he is actually sacked, the incoming manager has good players to work with.
Reminds me of Sir Alex saying the last thing he told the players before he sent them out was to go out and enjoy themselves.
They don't seem like they are enjoying themselves under Moyes. As Howard, Pienaar, Barkley etc. have made clear they are much happier under a regime where the emphasis is having confidence in yourselves and attacking than Moyes' safety first approach. The United squad looks like it would be too.
Fear's an interesting thing. I remember Queiroz talking about big games - derby matches, Liverpool, CL games and the like - and saying how great they are for the coaches and the players. Because they're exciting, challenging and that excitement overrules the fear.
Whereas, he said the coaches always worried more about the "ordinary" games, the ones they were expected/supposed to win because any kind of failure in those is a big deal for a top team.
It's an interesting mindset.
Whereas, he said the coaches always worried more about the "ordinary" games, the ones they were expected/supposed to win because any kind of failure in those is a big deal for a top team.
It's an interesting mindset.
:lol i bet your reaction would be different if moyes said the same things
yes..and most players would also enjoy the famous hairdrier treatment too..
An interesting manager to listen to is Simeone at Atletico. Basically he's stuck to the same line all season - no, we can't win one of the big trophies, but we can win the next game. Repeat.
Whatever Simeone says to his players away from the cameras I'm absolutely certain they all walk out on the pitch with the same, "but we can win this game," ringing in their ears.
I'm guessing Mourinho's Chelsea players hear the same thing from him.
I guess big games need no motivation. Players can take the supposed easier games lightly.
No. I also would not have said poking someone in the eye was mind games. Jose lost it. He's lost it before, he'll lose it again. He isn't used to not winning.
Yes, that's what stood out against Liverpool and City - our fearless, well motivated, excited, confident players
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Are you saying that if United stick with MG far longer, United would have been one of the best team in the world, like under Fergie? What was MG track record with other team(s) after United?
Again a misconception. Did you listen to 'Red Wednesday' last week on BBC Radio Manchester? They had a sports psychologist that used to work with Fergie on and he was saying Fergie used to lose it at the players once or twice a season. The rest of the time he spent building their confidence up, putting an arm around them, making them feel part of a United family, giving them self-belief to play. He said Moyes is a reactive manager who doesn't seem to have that psychological skill and is under so much pressure he isn't thinking clearly about what his next move will be in terms of motivating his players. If you aint listened to it I'd download the podcast.
Sounds interesting and yes please.
I do hate how instead of trying to work with what hes got hes quicker to talk about transition and next season, a top manager would have installed belief into them
This season is an anomaly. We have been too scared to lose at OT period and have looked very nervous irrespective of the opposition.
It's possibly part of the problem of giving a manager a 6 year contract and making him pretty much un-sackable in his first season.
I just go back to the Tim Howard article I posted earlier about what's changed at Everton since Moyes left: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-howard-praises-everton-boss-roberto-martinez
I've underlined the key bits:
Tim Howard has paid tribute to the methods of manager Roberto Martinez, with the Everton squad brimming with belief.
Since succeeding David Moyes at Goodison Park, Martinez has helped to build on the foundations put down by his predecessor.
The Toffees are very much in the hunt for a top-four finish, with just two points separating them from arch-rivals Liverpool and a place in the UEFA Champions League spots.
Howard credits Martinez with having pushed Everton back towards that elite group, with the Merseyside outfit playing without fear.
The American goalkeeper said: "No matter what game we go into, the focus has not at any point this season been on the other team - it has always been about us.
"You have to do this 40 weeks of the year, it is nice not to come into work every day thinking 'Oh, that's looming ahead'.
"The manager keeps us bright and bubbly and focused on ourselves. Not always having to look over your shoulder at who is coming next is good.
"We work on ourselves and it's a difference. The manager will have some specific areas in which he thinks Tottenham are weak, or Sunderland, Crystal Palace or whoever are weak.
"We'll train on trying to exploit them, as opposed to 'Here is what they are going to do to hurt us and this is what we are going to do to defend against them'. That is not in the manager's nature.
"The way his mind works, it is like the move A Beautiful Mind. He always sees holes in the other team. He doesn't see the danger, he seeks the weaknesses and gets us working on that.
"We have a pattern to our play and a style that we all believe in and we have seen that it works.
"The positive for me is that every time we step on the pitch we know how we are going to win."
All elements that were seemingly missing at Everton under Moyes. All elements clearly missing at United under Moyes.
Our players know they can make it hard for the other team too.
i ll have a look at my crystal ball and get back to you mate ,
seriously unlike many ppl over here I don't know what will happen in the future.
Well, they can try...
I'm worried that he is going to but players to fit his plan, he may buy talent but there is no guarantee that they would fit into the plans of another manager. We could have 5 or 6 players on big money contracts, we might not have much money left for a new manager.
@ #07. Don't know if you re interested but Howard had some nice words about moyes too..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...avid-Moyes-gets-best-players--Tim-Howard.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...avid-Moyes-gets-best-players--Tim-Howard.html
Is Red Wednesday a 110% toe the club hierarchy line show still? Haven't tuned in one since about 2009. It must be absolutely unbearable these days if so.
We've no idea what his plan is yet though, do we?
No, it's the best kept secret in football.
bbc psychologist report
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/26533130
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/26533130
He doesn't have one, you would have seen a clear indication of what it is after a few months.
It's so secretive not even Dave himself knows it.
He has always been a fundamentally reactive manager. He doesn't have a plan for how his teams should play football, because it all depends on what the other team is doing. We need to try to make it hard for them to play. That's his plan.
No. They don't toe the line. This week Rowetta from the Happy Mondays was sounding off about Moyes saying he needs to go and only Pete Molyneux was willing to give him more time. Everyone was realistic about his performance and failings.
This wasn't the guy they spoke to this week. This article is uses the words of a guy who worked with Moyes. The guy on Red Wednesday this week worked with Fergie.
I don't think he's capable of doing at united what Rodgers is currently doing at Liverpool, which is the real shame. As long as there's potential, as a fan your okay with things not being ideal. But it's really hard to imagine a David Moyes team playing such fluid, expansive, and progressive football. United fans envious of Liverpools manager. Ah, how times change.
Let me see if I understand. Some of our players who did well under Fergie have to go because they don't listen to Moyes. They will be replaced by players who performed well under their manager, but they will listen to Moyes.
What is the guarantee that our new signings will buy into Moyes's tactics and training methods any more than the players they're replacing?
Another thought that's been bothering me. When Fergie said there will be tough times-he didn't say there will be tough times this year. My guess is that Fergie meant that at some point in Moyes's term there will be trouble-so stick by him when times get rough. That people have interpreted Fergie's comments as some secret code meaning the squad he was leaving was not good is a stretch, at best. Fergie didn't say anything of the sort.
OK-rant over.
What is the guarantee that our new signings will buy into Moyes's tactics and training methods any more than the players they're replacing?
Another thought that's been bothering me. When Fergie said there will be tough times-he didn't say there will be tough times this year. My guess is that Fergie meant that at some point in Moyes's term there will be trouble-so stick by him when times get rough. That people have interpreted Fergie's comments as some secret code meaning the squad he was leaving was not good is a stretch, at best. Fergie didn't say anything of the sort.
OK-rant over.
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How many players have to dislike the manager before the club have no choice but to side with the players do we reckon? 3 or 4 players we can get rid of.. When it gets into double figures, or basically the whole squad (bar Rooney) then I think we have problems. I think the latter is the scenario we're currently in.
Except Rooney and his 300,000 reasons, does anyone actually like Moyes?
Just a bit of context on a £200m spend.
City spent £490m in 4 years squad-building to get a FA Cup, and another £80m to get a League.
Yes, the net spend was lower (£400m to win an FA Cup), reflecting the fact that many of the early purchases didn't work or didn't fit and were sold on. But still, it's a reminder that it takes more than money to make a team.
City spent £490m in 4 years squad-building to get a FA Cup, and another £80m to get a League.
Yes, the net spend was lower (£400m to win an FA Cup), reflecting the fact that many of the early purchases didn't work or didn't fit and were sold on. But still, it's a reminder that it takes more than money to make a team.
depends on the players concerned - rumours are suggesting it s the senior players. Some of them might be on the way out anyway (Río,vidic,evra?).
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