Moyes So Far!

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stevoc said:
Gill said a few years back that we would need a manager with title winning and champions league experience to replace SAF this criteria must have been forgotten about, and supposedly gill wanted mourinho but no one else did i have heard also, in the interview woodward gave with i think it was andy mitten.

He basically explained the process of choosing the next manager they asked ferguson he recommended moyes they all agreed they then discussed a few more managers but only to rule them out as they already knew who they wanted. Well at least thats how i remember the story.
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I am not sure how board members work but I am sure they would have looked at other candidates with more experience. But looks like fergie's support was the most important factor. Also, the glazers must be more than happy to back someone suggested by fergie, if shit hits the fan then they can always unanimously blame fergie and make him lesser part of future plans
 
entropy said:
I am not sure how board members work but I am sure they would have looked at other candidates with more experience. But looks like fergie's support was the most important factor. Also, the glazers must be more than happy to back someone suggested by fergie, if shit hits the fan then they can always unanimously blame fergie and make him lesser part of future plans
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As i said im sure other names were discussed but i doubt seriously and i don't think any were approached or interviewed. Once SAF recommended moyes that was pretty much it i reckon they have said as much.

Yeah the glazers infact the whole board seemed happy enough to just go with SAF's choice instead of a proper selection process.
 
stevoc said:
As i said im sure other names were discussed but i doubt seriously and i don't think any were approached or interviewed. Once SAF recommended moyes that was pretty much it i reckon they have said as much.

Yeah the glazers infact the whole board seemed happy enough to just go with SAF's choice instead of a proper selection process.
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Even for fergie to decide on Moyes it must have taken time. He must have been deliberating about his successor for ages. It is the most important decision he was ever going to take.He must have looked at the top brass of coaches around before making the final decision. I don't think fergie immediately wrote down Moyes as the first choice. He is close with Jose and must have discussed with him about the united job, he must have met pep as well but what were the deciding factors for him we will never know. Let's just hope we see why he choose Moyes in the coming months and next season.
 
entropy said:
Even for fergie to decide on Moyes it must have taken time. He must have been deliberating about his successor for ages. It is the most important decision he was ever going to take.He must have looked at the top brass of coaches around before making the final decision. I don't think fergie immediately wrote down Moyes as the first choice. He is close with Jose and must have discussed with him about the united job, he must have met pep as well but what were the deciding factors for him we will never know. Let's just hope we see why he choose Moyes in the coming months and next season.
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People joke about the Scottish thing but I have a feeling his being british played a big part.
 
entropy said:
Even for fergie to decide on Moyes it must have taken time. He must have been deliberating about his successor for ages. It is the most important decision he was ever going to take.He must have looked at the top brass of coaches around before making the final decision. I don't think fergie immediately wrote down Moyes as the first choice. He is close with Jose and must have discussed with him about the united job, he must have met pep as well but what were the deciding factors for him we will never know. Let's just hope we see why he choose Moyes in the coming months and next season.
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All that could well be true but to be honest i am still very sceptical that when asked to choose his successor, of all the coaches in the world SAF chose a scottish manager who also happens to be his friend, not saying moyes isn't a good manager but if i was on the board that would have rung a few alarm bells for me, and i would have asked him for a shortlist for the board to choose from instead of recommending just one man for the job. Thats my opinion anyway
 
I can tell you, this moyes shite was hanging around for the last 13 or 14 years if my memory serves right. After winning the CL Fergie threatened to resign thrice after his fall outs with the PLC, there was a section that were rambling about an intellectual in Preston.

When we went through some troubled times in 2003, Fergie himself was openly backing this guy who had hardly finished a season at Everton.

If not for Fergie's backing he wouldn't have got the nod. Its tad easy to figure out why Fergie and Charlton had vetoed out for Maureen who would've brought down the club to disrepute, but appointing him was a bizzare decision considering the quality of football he was offering at Everton all these years
 
entropy said:
It must have been last on the list. If fergie started with just British managers, that would have been a shitlist
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I don't think so. I feel it gave him an edge. It's one of the few things that explains his appointment. I don't think he started with British managers but over the years Moyes impressed him and that him being British helped big time. Turns out, with Moyes at the top, it was a shitlist.
 
stevoc said:
All that could well be true but to be honest i am still very sceptical that when asked to choose his successor, of all the coaches in the world SAF chose a scottish manager who also happens to be his friend, not saying moyes isn't a good manager but if i was on the board that would have rung a few alarm bells for me, and i would have asked him for a shortlist for the board to choose from instead of recommending just one man for the job. Thats my opinion anyway
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Like I said earlier the glazers must be more than happy to blindly appoint fergie's choice. It gives them a chance to say "well you were wrong about Moyes" and move fergie off the board with regards to further managerial appointments. I mean, just look at the list of board members,Gill probably only got in because his name starts with a G but fergie and SBC are the last ones standing. It's a g thing homie.
 
vijay said:
I can tell you, this moyes shite was hanging around for the last 13 or 14 years if my memory serves right. After winning the CL Fergie threatened to resign thrice after his fall outs with the PLC, there was a section that were rambling about an intellectual in Preston.

When we went through some troubled times in 2003, Fergie himself was openly backing this guy who had hardly finished a season at Everton.

If not for Fergie's backing he wouldn't have got the nod. Its tad easy to figure out why Fergie and Charlton had vetoed out for Maureen who would've brought down the club to disrepute, but appointing him was a bizzare decision considering the quality of football he was offering at Everton all these years
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Is this for real?
 
entropy said:
Like I said earlier the glazers must be more than happy to blindly appoint fergie's choice. It gives them a chance to say "well you were wrong about Moyes" and move fergie off the board with regards to further managerial appointments. I mean, just look at the list of board members,Gill probably only got in because his name starts with a G but fergie and SBC are the last ones standing. It's a g thing homie.
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Well i've suspected the whole hoo hah about moyes being fergusons man could have been a ploy by the glazers to protect themselves, i am not actually sure if Ferguson , Charlton and Gill are on the board though i think they are just directors.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I don't think so. I feel it gave him an edge. It's one of the few things that explains his appointment. I don't think he started with British managers but over the years Moyes impressed him and that him being British helped big time. Turns out, with Moyes at the top, it was a shitlist.
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I dunno, I will probably wait before making a final judgement on moyes
 
entropy said:
I dunno, I will probably wait before making a final judgement on moyes
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Fair enough. I don't know about "final" judgment, but personally I've always thought Moyes was simply not good enough whether before his appointment or after.
 
entropy said:
This is exactly the kind of statement I am unwilling to make just yet or maybe I am just sick of reading it so very often
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That's weird. I'm not "sick of reading your opinion". So why do you feel so defensive over yours?
 
And it's not about your "lack of desire" or "restraint" to make " such statements". You probably never shared my opinion, based on his Everton days, that Moyes wasn't at united's level. It's called a difference of opinion rather than a difference of inclination or virtue.
 
entropy said:
Boy you are quick to take offence. I meant sick of reading "but personally I've always thought Moyes was simply not good enough..."
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Nah I was implying you took offense given the content of your last post.

Why are you sick of that exactly? Because he's united manager and don't like the idea if it or because you disagree with it strongly and feel he's a great manager?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Nah I was implying you took offense given the content of your last post.

Why are you sick of that exactly? Because he's united manager and don't like the idea if it or because you disagree with it strongly and feel he's a great manager?
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It's just the repetitive nature of that statement. At ease now captain AB100
 
entropy said:
It's just the repetitive nature of that statement. At ease now captain AB100
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Or seemingly the consensus of it given it comes from different people. But I get that as someone who doesn't hold the view it can't be nice to keep reading.


I am calm?
 
At the very least he hasn't lost the players, we wouldn't have won 4-1 if he had. Was listening to the Football Weekly podcast before and they were convinced otherwise but I disagree. At the end of the day despite losing in pretty horrid fashion to both Liverpool and City we've still won 4 out of the last 6. I feel if Moyes had lost the dressing room things would be in worse shape. I'm not trying to sugar coat what has been a awful season but I don't believe things are so bad that Moyes can't right them. He seems to be a winner with Mata, Kagawa and Rooney in attack and we actually look like scoring when they're on the pitch.

Interesting what David James wrote in the Guardian about how he thinks Moyes is coaching United how he used to coach Everton. Seems a fairly accurate observation to me. Terrific away form but absolutely clueless when it comes to home matches where we are expected to dominate.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Or seemingly the consensus of it given it comes from different people. But I get that as someone who doesn't hold the view it can't be nice to keep reading.


I am calm?
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Maybe I don't like consensus. I prefer different pov even if they might be right or wrong. I like a bit of madness of dreams that comes with being a united fan.Sometimes I like shitloads of sugar to go with my black coffee, so sue me!!
 
ninety said:
At the very least he hasn't lost the players, we wouldn't have won 4-1 if he had.
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Trying to look at results through the eyes of 'has he lost the players or not' is not right, for my money. the 0-3 defeats didn't show he lost the players just like yesterday's win doesn't show he hasn't. They are still professionals, and they are simply better than Villa.
 
Looked to me like he's lost the players, you would expect them to fly out of the blocks in a game like that in an attempt to save the boss. Moyes was expecting it to, according up his post match (there will be quotes) but it was all as pedestrian as a friendly from us, the difference was Rooney yet again. Moyes is going to need to clear this whole squad out but for a few players, utterly fear inducing thought.
 
It'd be incredibly shit if we made wholesale changes to the squad on the whims of an incompetent manager.
 
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“A lot of the stuff I do is a building plan – I’m here to build a team which I’ve done in the past: take it forward and introduce young players, that is what I am trying to do,” Moyes said.

Guardiola also inherited a daunting legacy and, if anything, Bayern have improved, but Moyes is quick to stress the differences.

“He had a year of preparation before he took the job in Munich,” Moyes said. “It gave him the chance to learn German, watch the games, so I think he did take over maybe a bit more prepared and ready. Also, with respect, he took over the champions of Europe which means they had a lot of things in place.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-United-in-awe-of-Bayern-Munichs-success.html

So what did Moyes take over, a Sunday league side? Did Fergie leave nothing in place..?
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This is what fecking pisses me off about him. Who the hell did he take over? A league 1 side?
 
I'm also worried that ex-players such as Giggsy will venture out on their own rather than become part of the setup, we need these people about the Club not only for the first team but for the young players coming through.
 
I dunno, if Moyes gets sacked only because of the fall outs with ex players, then many of these players should also pack their bags, before a new manager takes over. For managers like Van Gaal, Capello or Terim it should be alright, they know how to handle a boys clique and ostracism but young managers say that Argie at the Saints or Toffee Bobby to Laudrup all would be bit apprehensive if they're offered the job.

This ill fated adventure with Moyes has done a massive PR damage.
 
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Amir said:
Trying to look at results through the eyes of 'has he lost the players or not' is not right, for my money. the 0-3 defeats didn't show he lost the players just like yesterday's win doesn't show he hasn't. They are still professionals, and they are simply better than Villa.
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I agree that one result doesn't mean much. And just because we won doesn't mean the players like playing under him. But I believe that there is a glimmer of hope for Moyes. Obviously sitting at seventh on the table isn't good enough and if he keeps it up he'll get sacked at some point. But I'm not as pessimistic as some on here. I believe he has the potential to improve and make us more consistent. How likely that is I'm not sure. I'm of the belief that as things stand, the Glazers won't sack Moyes at the end of the season and he'll be given some portion of next season to prove himself. And I think there still is a chance that he will prove himself worthy, though I agree its probably somewhat remote.
 
LARulz said:
This is what fecking pisses me off about him. Who the hell did he take over? A league 1 side?
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Always fecking complaining. Never his fault, players let him down, not enough quality. His smugness infuriating.
 
Mel_F said:
What in the actual feck? Is he purposely winding up the fans? What is this shite that he's saying? Excuses after excuses after excuses.
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It is the only thing he is good at it. Brainwashing the fans. He did it all the time at Everton and convinced them that the seventh place is like winning UCL trophy. He has already brainwashed the likes of nahelai who are impressed by Moyes dignity. The dignity of talking more bullshit in a year than Mourinho in a decade, the dignity of blaming everyone bar himself, the dignity of giving the perception that he took a Sunday league team.

Moyes classy? Only if that word has been devalued more than Zimbabwe dollar.
 
ninety said:
I agree that one result doesn't mean much. And just because we won doesn't mean the players like playing under him. But I believe that there is a glimmer of hope for Moyes. Obviously sitting at seventh on the table isn't good enough and if he keeps it up he'll get sacked at some point. But I'm not as pessimistic as some on here. I believe he has the potential to improve and make us more consistent. How likely that is I'm not sure. I'm of the belief that as things stand, the Glazers won't sack Moyes at the end of the season and he'll be given some portion of next season to prove himself. And I think there still is a chance that he will prove himself worthy, though I agree its probably somewhat remote.
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The only chances that he will get for glimmers of hope is when we play our closest rivals. Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and City. Unless he can mix it with them there is no point having him at the club. If he aspires to be the top team in England he will have to be able to beat those teams, at home and on the road. So far he has failed miserably, but there is no question he will get at least one more run of fixtures against those sides to prove himself. Personally I think he will get the full season next year with the new signings. I just hope he doesn't bring in/move on too many players and upset the dynamic of the squad irreparably. Time will tell.

But with Liverpool gaining all the time he will need to move fast if he is to defeat the rise of evil and stop the forces of darkness descending on the premiership and casting a horrific cloud of destruction on all the good work that has been achieved under supreme football lord Ferguson in reaching the dizzying heights of the perch.. Dramatic enough?
 
LARulz said:
This is what fecking pisses me off about him. Who the hell did he take over? A league 1 side?
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In any work situation, how would employees feel if their manager publically implied they were shit?

Other than Guardiola, all these managers took over new clubs this season: Pellegrini, Mou, Blanc, Ancelotti, Martinez. Didn't take them a year to 'assess' their squad and buy who they needed, did it?
 
Ralph1386 said:
In any work situation, how would employees feel if their manager publically implied they were shit?

Other than Guardiola, all these managers took over new clubs this season: Pellegrini, Mou, Blanc, Ancelotti, Martinez. Didn't take them a year to 'assess' their squad and buy who they needed, did it?
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Exactly. Imagine you go into work tomorrow and your boss is all on you saying 'you aren't good enough, if I had better guys than you working for me this place would be running so much better'. You listen to him talking to other people to explain why he's not getting more out of his team and he's like 'I'm so busy just figuring out the set up left by the previous boss I haven't even got time to whip this lot into shape, and lets face it we need 5-6 new, better workers to change things around anyway'.

People say its the players fault but they forget for the players its a job. And nobody, regardless of how talented, is going to excel in a work environment where they are made to feel miserable every day. You get treated badly by your boss and you will perform badly. Its not rocket science. That's why companies spend so much money sending their senior staff on management courses and stuff.
 
Ralph1386 said:
In any work situation, how would employees feel if their manager publically implied they were shit?

Other than Guardiola, all these managers took over new clubs this season: Pellegrini, Mou, Blanc, Ancelotti, Martinez. Didn't take them a year to 'assess' their squad and buy who they needed, did it?
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Your 100% there, and how unprofessional would you be considered if you did that with your staff. Senior management would have your guts strung to the HR dept. door as a warning to anyone else who would think about doing something similar.
 
ninety said:
I agree that one result doesn't mean much. And just because we won doesn't mean the players like playing under him. But I believe that there is a glimmer of hope for Moyes. Obviously sitting at seventh on the table isn't good enough and if he keeps it up he'll get sacked at some point. But I'm not as pessimistic as some on here. I believe he has the potential to improve and make us more consistent. How likely that is I'm not sure. I'm of the belief that as things stand, the Glazers won't sack Moyes at the end of the season and he'll be given some portion of next season to prove himself. And I think there still is a chance that he will prove himself worthy, though I agree its probably somewhat remote.
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I'm not ruling it out. He's a good manager, he's done well at Everton, but he came to United like some sort of novice and I'm still staggered by it. We're playing better stuff now against the weaker sides which is nice, though why it took him months to realize what sort of lineups he should be selecting is beyond me. At the same time, we became progressively worse against the better sides.

He may learn, he may improve, but the signs in his first season hint it won't be quickly enough for him to justify his position. We certainly shouldn't be waiting four-five years until he comes up to par.
 
Sarni said:
Always fecking complaining. Never his fault, players let him down, not enough quality. His smugness infuriating.
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Ralph1386 said:
In any work situation, how would employees feel if their manager publically implied they were shit?

Other than Guardiola, all these managers took over new clubs this season: Pellegrini, Mou, Blanc, Ancelotti, Martinez. Didn't take them a year to 'assess' their squad and buy who they needed, did it?
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Has any press person asked them about this? I know he referred it to Guardiola and while thats a shitty excuse I expect the press would have just nodded. But asking about Pellegrini and Martinez and asking why they did so well must be a valid question which deserves answers. As does Pochetino at Southampton, he just rolled up mid way through the season last year and did extremely well. Pulis is another at Palace, came in at an actual difficult time and has done well.
 
Ringo 07 said:
'And now when the Everton faithful look back on the Moyes years at Goodison they talk about how he held them back and made negative substitutions that cost them points. Martinez has also shown trust in young Ross Barkley – largely sidelined by Moyes – and he has been outstanding.'

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All true.

Plus it'd be hysterical if Clev moves to Everton and starts looking like the Tom Cleverley who played in last seasons 3-2 wins at Wasteland and Stamford Bridge again.

Moyes will probably blame that on someone else too. Not my man management skills, Tom Cleverley just didn't buy into what I was trying to achieve blah, blah, blah.
 
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