Moyes So Far!

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Everything about Moyes this season I've seen tells me that he's not fit to manage Manchester United, really. We've gone from being champions by 11 points to a laughing stock of the footballing world in the space of 9 months.

I sincerely hope we're looking for a backup behind the scenes and all the talk of "giving Moyes time" is some sort of a decoy, but I highly doubt it.
 
An Irish Red said:
The bold don't do Moyes an favours when you are trying to big him up (don't know much about Oviedo).
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Distin has been a great player for them. Yakubu was excellent for them before he got injured, Pienaar was brilliant value first time round, and Howard has been one of the best GK's in the PL for years...no idea what you're talking about.
 
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Just seen a Scouser with a banner saying 'Brendan Rodgers - the carefully chosen one' at the Liverpool vs Spurs game. They're loving this.
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Hopefully they get very close, only to be pipped at the post
 
#07 said:
“A lot of the stuff I do is a building plan – I’m here to build a team which I’ve done in the past: take it forward and introduce young players, that is what I am trying to do,” Moyes said.

Guardiola also inherited a daunting legacy and, if anything, Bayern have improved, but Moyes is quick to stress the differences.

“He had a year of preparation before he took the job in Munich,” Moyes said. “It gave him the chance to learn German, watch the games, so I think he did take over maybe a bit more prepared and ready. Also, with respect, he took over the champions of Europe which means they had a lot of things in place.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-United-in-awe-of-Bayern-Munichs-success.html

So what did Moyes take over, a Sunday league side? Did Fergie leave nothing in place..?
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The excuses get laughable by the minute.

Does Moyes not know English? Hasnt he been watching the PL? Didnt he take over the league champions? Didnt we have a lot in place that he's decided to uproot?
 
Winrar said:
Everything about Moyes this season I've seen tells me that he's not fit to manage Manchester United, really. We've gone from being champions by 11 points to a laughing stock of the footballing world in the space of 9 months.

I sincerely hope we're looking for a backup behind the scenes and all the talk of "giving Moyes time" is some sort of a decoy, but I highly doubt it.
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We can't be seen to be letting him know he's useless, he will just stop performing altogether, at least as it stands we're getting results against cannon fodder.
Rather unlike what Moyes has been doing re the players.
 
Lu Tze said:
Distin has been a great player for them. Yakubu was excellent for them before he got injured, Pienaar was brilliant value first time round, and Howard has been one of the best GK's in the PL for years...no idea what you're talking about.
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None of them are anything special. James McCarthy is a better signing than any of them. Coleman, Baines and Mirallas were great signings but including the likes of Pienaar is just stretching it a bit.
 
Steven Seagull said:
I can't figure out if he's just extremely dim or whether he's so certain of his position here that he's acting like a smug twat on purpose.
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A little from column A and a little from column B perhaps.

Or maybe he has just lost the plot would explain all the ill judged quotes hes coming out with on a now regular basis.
 
Varun said:
The excuses get laughable by the minute.

Does Moyes not know English? Hasnt he been watching the PL? Didnt he take over the league champions? Didnt we have a lot in place that he's decided to uproot?
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Come on Varun. If you don't understand what he is saying, you basically don't understand football. After all it's the football heads at our club who have hired him and constantly maintained he is the man for the job!
 
Our next 4 games are Bayern, Newcastle-Bayern-Everton all away.

4 possible games that we could lose. Would that be enough?
 
Steven Seagull said:
I can't figure out if he's just extremely dim or whether he's so certain of his position here that he's acting like a smug twat on purpose.
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I think it's neither. To be fair, would you expect another manager who has so spectacularly taken a championship winning team down the slippery slope the season after to want to show his insecurities in public?

The fact that David Moyes has made some frankly peculiar statements for a man in charge of a club like Manchester United - the one about aspiring to be City was odd and completely inappropriate, to name one - tells us more about what he is like under pressure. His other statements don't indicate smugness or thickness to me - he is bad at handling the scrutiny and stress that come with this job.

He is showing his insecurities in public but he doesn't want to. It's just that as a number of us thought some time back when his name was being thrown around that he is not Manchester United management material. I'd like to think differently but he just doesn't handle the responsibilities that his position and hefty pay demand. For me it is nothing personal as he seems a good man and I respect the way he walked out there onto Old Trafford with his head held high.

What else can he do but express self belief publicly? I just wish he would stop saying things that are demonstrably inaccurate such as the supposed contrast between a European Cup winning team and a team that won the Premier League just before he took over.

It is wrong that he is doing this. As some people have pointed out here and in different threads, the managers fit to manage top teams get the best out of their players. They don't deflect criticism by misrepresenting what they came into. I don't respect David Moyes for this kind of excuse making and it is troubling to hear his statements to the media along those lines.
 
MUFC07 said:
Our next 4 games are Bayern, Newcastle-Bayern-Everton all away.

4 possible games that we could lose. Would that be enough?
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Shit, I never realized we had that run of games. All of which are easily ones where we can lose and in all probability, will.
 
ryansgirl said:
I think it's neither. To be fair, would you expect another manager who has so spectacularly taken a championship winning team down the slippery slope the season after to want to show his insecurities in public?

The fact that David Moyes has made some frankly peculiar statements for a man in charge of a club like Manchester United - the one about aspiring to be City was odd and completely inappropriate, to name one - tells us more about what he is like under pressure. His other statements don't indicate smugness or thickness to me - he is bad at handling the scrutiny and stress that come with this job.

He is showing his insecurities in public but he doesn't want to. It's just that as a number of us thought some time back when his name was being thrown around that he is not Manchester United management material. I'd like to think differently but he just doesn't handle the responsibilities that his position and hefty pay demand. For me it is nothing personal as he seems a good man and I respect the way he walked out there onto Old Trafford with his head held high.

What else can he do but express self belief publicly? I just wish he would stop saying things that are demonstrably inaccurate such as the supposed contrast between a European Cup winning team and a team that won the Premier League just before he took over.

It is wrong that he is doing this. As some people have pointed out here and in different threads, the managers fit to manage top teams get the best out of their players. They don't deflect criticism by misrepresenting what they came into. I don't respect David Moyes for this kind of excuse making and it is troubling to hear his statements to the media along those lines.
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I can understand what you are saying. But I see it as him trying to be more aggressive in the face of natural and perfectly reasonable criticism. Seems like he wants to show to the world he will not accept shit from anyone.

This just reeks of the AvB debacle at Spurs where he would come out with a whole lot of crap which did not include the main factor for his failing and that was his awful management.
 
MUFC07 said:
Our next 4 games are Bayern, Newcastle-Bayern-Everton all away.

4 possible games that we could lose. Would that be enough?
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They could well be make or break for Moyes.

If we put up a good effort against Bayern and win those two league games then I think things will look a lot rosier. If the opposite happens then it could well be curtains for him.
 
MUFC07 said:
Our next 4 games are Bayern, Newcastle-Bayern-Everton all away.

4 possible games that we could lose. Would that be enough?
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Imagine if Liverpool are crowned champions while we get kicked out of the Europa League zone by a defeat against Everton. That would be the icing on the cake.
 
Im not sure losing against bayern would be that detrimental to his job. Its just so expected. It will have to be losing against smaller inferior sides. Im fairly certain we will have him until the end of the season, i dont think there are any games left where losing would make that much of a difference at this stage. It will...bizarrely be something off field that will do it, either mass protest from the fans or big dressing room fallout. Neither i can see occurring anytime soon
 
devilish said:
Imagine if Liverpool are crowned champions while we get kicked out of the Europa League zone by a defeat against Everton. That would be the icing on the cake.
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For whom? Liverpool supporters 'cause it won't be anything apart from sickening to my guts for me.
 
Dracula said:
Im not sure losing against bayern would be that detrimental to his job. Its just so expected. It will have to be losing against smaller inferior sides. Im fairly certain we will have him until the end of the season, i dont think there are any games left where losing would make that much of a difference at this stage. It will...bizarrely be something off field that will do it, either mass protest from the fans or big dressing room fallout. Neither i can see occurring anytime soon
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I don't think even that makes any difference to be frank. We have lost to a fair few "inferior" sides this seaso who, not so surprisingly, are sitting above us this season.
 
Its going to have to be us as fans that do it. Feel sorry for the matchgoing fans whoare between a rock and a hard place, and its terrible that internet forum fans dare to give them grief, as if those on here somehow can see more of what is going wrong than those at the stadium can.

Matchgoing fans are showing support for their team, that includes the manager. Theres no class in booing at OT.

Yet those that think matchgoing fans dont realise moyes has to go are mad.

We just have to think about the right way of going about it
 
The thing is that leopards don't change their spots. I know someone who used to work at Preston NE in the office. Whilst he was held in great esteem because he got them promoted, he was apparently awful to work for because he had an unshakeable belief in his own judgement. He would not listen to constructive suggestions and always got his own way. That is not the sign of a good manager or leader.
 
Rednails said:
The thing is that leopards don't change their spots. I know someone who used to work at Preston NE in the office. Whilst he was held in great esteem because he got them promoted, he was apparently awful to work for because he had an unshakeable belief in his own judgement. He would not listen to constructive suggestions and always got his own way. That is not the sign of a good manager or leader.
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Goes with what the RI article has said
 
Rednails said:
The thing is that leopards don't change their spots. I know someone who used to work at Preston NE in the office. Whilst he was held in great esteem because he got them promoted, he was apparently awful to work for because he had an unshakeable belief in his own judgement. He would not listen to constructive suggestions and always got his own way. That is not the sign of a good manager or leader.
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That, in itself, is a good trait for any leader. You cannot doubt or second guess your own decisions else you will never be able to make one. But the second part where he would not listen to any suggestions is really alarming.
 
Liverpool on course for the title, Everton with a genuine shout at Champions League football, all the while we lie in 7th place. Urgh.
 
I've got this bad feeling that Moyes will be allowed to stay on, and in a few years he just might win the league and all the current Moyes apologists will go "see, we told you he just needed time".

Might not be very realistic, considering it needs Moyes to ever win the league.
 
Following on from the Bob Cass story in the Mail today, he replied to a couple of questions on twitter...

Are the Glazers thinking about sacking Moyes?

Not at all.

Any idea what it will take for them to consider sacking him?

If he wastes the £200m he'll get to spend in the summer.
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:nervous:
 
niMic said:
I've got this bad feeling that Moyes will be allowed to stay on, and in a few years he just might win the league and all the current Moyes apologists will go "see, we told you he just needed time".

Might not be very realistic, considering it needs Moyes to ever win the league.
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I've got a bad feeling, we'd turn into Liverpool and let our standards drop. We'd be cheering 4th place like a trophy.
 
Dominos said:
Following on from the Bob Cass story in the Mail today, he replied to a couple of questions on twitter...

- Any idea what it will take for them to consider sacking him?
- If he wastes the £200m he'll get to spend in the summer.

:nervous:
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But that wouldn't bring back those £200m, would it?
 
Today marks the first time since 2006 that United haven't been leading the premiership after 32 games. I'm aware of this stat because I noticed ages ago how we'd regularly have a mini-slump at this exact point in the season, but even so it's a pretty clear sign of the sheer dominance of those seasons, and just for the sake of comparison:

06/07: 78pts, 3pt lead
07/08: 76pts, 5pt lead
08/09: 74pts, 3pt lead (w/ game in hand)
09/10: 72pts, 1pt lead
10/11: 69pts, 6pt lead
11/12: 79pts, 8pt lead
12/13: 80pts, 12pt lead
13/14: 54pts, 17pt deficit

This thread seemed the most obvious place to share this.
 
Chabon said:
Today marks the first time since 2006 that United haven't been leading the premiership after 32 games. I'm aware of this stat because I noticed ages ago how we'd regularly have a mini-slump at this exact point in the season, but even so it's a pretty clear sign of the sheer dominance of those seasons, and just for the sake of comparison:

06/07: 78pts, 3pt lead
07/08: 76pts, 5pt lead
08/09: 74pts, 3pt lead (w/ game in hand)
09/10: 72pts, 1pt lead
10/11: 69pts, 6pt lead
11/12: 79pts, 8pt lead
12/13: 80pts, 12pt lead
13/14: 54pts, 17pt deficit

This thread seemed the most obvious place to share this.
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Wow, never noticed that. And in that time we lost the title just twice. Once by a point and the other by GD. Just shows the incredible squad we have.
 
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