Moyes So Far!

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Apparently this what what being a United fan is all about. Think someone is wrong for his job, that he's harming the team, tell that to everyone you know, to the guy next to you at the stadium, then sing your heart out for him.

While I can understand the idea of support if you believe in Moyes or unsure about him, if you believe he's wrong for us, then that is weird attitude.

@Amir-I'm 52 years old. I've been following sports since I was 6. I follow baseball, basketball, football, soccer, rugby, cricket-basically anything in which someone keeps score. In all my years following sports I have never seen any fanbase applaud a manager that they think is not doing a good job. It boggles my mind that this could be happening at United.
 
@Amir-I'm 52 years old. I've been following sports since I was 6. I follow baseball, basketball, football, soccer, rugby, cricket-basically anything in which someone keeps score. In all my years following sports I have never seen any fanbase applaud a manager that they think is not doing a good job. It boggles my mind that this could be happening at United.

Yeah, well, we're better than everyone else. We used to be better in that little green area in the middle of the stadium, but that's gone now, so we're focusing our "bestness" elsewhere.
 
Yeah, well, we're better than everyone else. We used to be better in that little green area in the middle of the stadium, but that's gone now, so we're focusing our "bestness" elsewhere.

Has to be. Best masochists on the planet. Great.
 
Moyes has messed with my mind. I was actually desperate for a City win this evening. I feel dirty.
 
Our matchday fans gave Moyes a standing ovation and booed the plane even though they are unhappy with him. That means everyone instead of criticising the man should quietly endure his version of football until he leaves the club. You can't publicly endorse someone then lay into him anonymously on the internet. Thats hypocrisy.
 
I'm finally catching on now.

When we win it's because we should have beaten them anyway. When we lose it's because Moyes is hopeless.
A f*cking pillow could be the manager and we'd still win games because of the quality in the side. So basically yes, that statement is accurate.
 
who is stopping you from voicing your opinion? Every thread over here is bombarded with anti moyes stuff, with some posters even openly expressing their hatred. Twatter is full of abuse vs moyes. What s wrong with most match going fans not doing so? different people with different opinions - no one is forcing anything on anyone. No?

I do so wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. If anything the only person here who seems to have a problem with people holding different opinions is you.
 
I do so wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. If anything the only person here who seems to have a problem with people holding different opinions is you.
Sorry mate, never intended to offend you but you said that club and hardcore fans are preventing ppl from voicing their opinion in another post. No?
 
Yeah, well, we're better than everyone else. We used to be better in that little green area in the middle of the stadium, but that's gone now, so we're focusing our "bestness" elsewhere.
It's one season, if you are going to be like this after one season of mediocrity there is no hope. If it is the same next season then fine. Everyone keeps saying they are not spoilt. Well let me just say you are. You could get your big name manager and if he gets these sort of performances you will all be calling for his head. You all say you won't, but you will, you can't help yourselves.
 
Our matchday fans gave Moyes a standing ovation and booed the plane even though they are unhappy with him. That means everyone instead of criticising the man should quietly endure his version of football until he leaves the club. You can't publicly endorse someone then lay into him anonymously on the internet. Thats hypocrisy.

There's a difference between supporting United and "endorsing" Moyes. And there's a difference between being unhappy with the football and the results - and firmly believing that Moyes will be the ruin of Manchester United.
 
Sorry mate, never intended to offend you but you said that club and hardcore fans are preventing ppl from voicing their opinion in another post. No?

They are. Why else would they guard the Chosen One banner and harass people at the game who want to boo on threats of "plastic fan if you dare boo"?
 
True. The other concern is the prime targets go elsewhere and he settles for second-tier replacements. You just know Toni Kroos is going to sign a new deal with Bayern, etc.

Even if he doesn't. If Kroos is genuinely available this summer do you think United will be the only side in for him..?

Without the offer of Champions League football we ain't got much to sway him besides cash, and the likes of PSG can easily outdo us on that.
 
They are. Why else would they guard the Chosen One banner and harass people at the game who want to boo on threats of "plastic fan if you dare boo"?
how people are being "harassed"?
 
It's one season, if you are going to be like this after one season of mediocrity there is no hope. If it is the same next season then fine. Everyone keeps saying they are not spoilt. Well let me just say you are. You could get your big name manager and if he gets these sort of performances you will all be calling for his head. You all say you won't, but you will, you can't help yourselves.

I don't want a big manager. I want a good manager, I want the right manager, and while it wasn't a shock to see us drop a bit this season, there's no excusing what we've seen. But we went along with it, lowering and lowering the bar. There comes a time when you say 'enough'. All I wanted in the last couple of months was to see some progress. Well, I think we have - finally, Moyes is picking better teams. Our matches against the big guns show he still doesn't really know what to do with it. I don't know how it happened because he's been a manager for years and years, but it honestly feels like we've taken a novice.

It's not about being spoiled, believe it or not, it's about wanting what's best for Manchester United. We believe Moyes isn't it. How simple is that?
 
Match going fans are no more pro or anti-Moyes than those on the forums. Whilst at the ground you support the team and the manager. I personally think today's reaction at Old Trafford was trying to convey to those responsible for hiring the plane is there are more reasonable ways of conveying your opinions without beating your chest or being irrational.
 
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I don't want a big manager. I want a good manager, I want the right manager, and while it wasn't a shock to see us drop a bit this season, there's no excusing what we've seen. But we went along with it, lowering and lowering the bar. There comes a time when you say 'enough'. All I wanted in the last couple of months was to see some progress. Well, I think we have - finally, Moyes is picking better teams. Our matches against the big guns show he still doesn't really know what to do with it. I don't know how it happened because he's been a manager for years and years, but it honestly feels like we've taken a novice.

It's not about being spoiled, believe it or not, it's about wanting what's best for Manchester United. We believe Moyes isn't it. How simple is that?

If he hasn't learnt from his mistakes next season I will agree with you. People are forgetting how badly we have played over recent years. The defence, is a problem and was last year as well. That is why we had all those come from behind wins because they put us in a hole. If we had the RVP of this season playing then, we would have lost a number of those games. Injuries to vital players at the wrong time have caused us problems this season. Yes Moyes has made mistakes, but I hope next season we are competitive again, if not he will then deserve to go.
 
He won't panic buy. This window has been the focus all season long. Woodward has clearly been lining up targets throughout the season, and I wouldn't be surprised if we made a number of signings including a LB, CM and CB before the world cup.

If you're a selling club the only reason you would sell a player before the world cup is if the player in question is not there. If you have a player who might have a good tournament, you keep them. If they do, their price goes up. If they don't it'll probably stay the same.
 
Match going fans are no more pro or anti-Moyes than those on the forums. Whilst at the ground you support the team and the manager. I personally think today's reaction at Old Trafford was trying to convey to those responsible for hiring the plane is there are more reasonable ways of conveying your opinions without beating your chest or being irrational.
I agree there, again I think people are misinterpreting things.
 
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If he hasn't learn from his mistake next season I will agree with you. People are forgetting how badly we have played over recent years. The defence, is a problem and was last year as well. That is why we had all those come from behind wins because they put us in a hole. If we had the RVP of this season playing then, we would have lost a number of those games. Injuries to vital players at the wrong time have caused us problems this season. Yes Moyes has made mistakes, but I hope next season we are competitive again, if not he will then deserve to go.

My issue with the back line is that it really improved in the second half of last season. It played a big part in making sure we don't lose and the gap even increase it during that period. Rio had a good year, Vidic was excellent. It's hard to accept the sudden drop off. Then you get Carrick and RVP, who haven't been at their best when fit, and you wonder.

My issue with giving him a second year is I think there were mostly negative signs this season and that by this time next year he'll have sunk his teeth far deeper and if it goes the same way there can be some real long term damage. Money lost through bad spending would be a big issue. And I can already see the excuses set for next season: It was a World Cup year, it was hard to get players/we couldn't get the players I wanted, we missed a lot of players in pre season, we made a lot of changes... I do fear a lot of people will accept that just because they want this to succeed and maybe for us to prove we're a little different.

I just don't get this season. We have played better stuff in recent weeks, but while making lighter work of the lesser sides, we'd become far, far worse against the big guns. I've no answer.
 
My issue with the back line is that it really improved in the second half of last season. It played a big part in making sure we don't lose and the gap even increase it during that period. Rio had a good year, Vidic was excellent. It's hard to accept the sudden drop off. Then you get Carrick and RVP, who haven't been at their best when fit, and you wonder.

My issue with giving him a second year is I think there were mostly negative signs this season and that by this time next year he'll have sunk his teeth far deeper and if it goes the same way there can be some real long term damage. Money lost through bad spending would be a big issue. And I can already see the excuses set for next season: It was a World Cup year, it was hard to get players/we couldn't get the players I wanted, we missed a lot of players in pre season, we made a lot of changes... I do fear a lot of people will accept that just because they want this to succeed and maybe for us to prove we're a little different.

I just don't get this season. We have played better stuff in recent weeks, but while making lighter work of the lesser sides, we'd become far, far worse against the big guns. I've no answer.
If he doesn't get signing tied up early, yes I agree he may have big problems. I also agree that a lot of people do want him to succeed, why would someone deliberately want him to fail? Getting rid of a manager can make things better, but it can also make things ten time worse. Everyone is going on about Klopp. If some of the other big teams are after a manager he might not chose us. Everything that is happening to Moyes might actually but some off.
 
If he doesn't get signing tied up early, yes I agree he may have big problems. I also agree that a lot of people do want him to succeed, why would someone deliberately want him to fail? Getting rid of a manager can make things better, but it can also make things ten time worse. Everyone is going on about Klopp. If some of the other big teams are after a manager he might not chose us. Everything that is happening to Moyes might actually but some off.

Other big teams? You forget who we are. This is the biggest job in the world. Only been offered the chance to manage Barcelona would make Klopp think twice IMHO.
 
People are forgetting how badly we have played over recent years. The defence, is a problem and was last year as well. That is why we had all those come from behind wins because they put us in a hole. If we had the RVP of this season playing then, we would have lost a number of those games.

I kinda see what you're saying. And a fit and firing RvP this whole season could have made a difference, particularly in that run around Xmas of home defeats.

But that only tells half the story. Only the most optimistic fan would think that our performances this year have been even close to last year's.
 
If he doesn't get signing tied up early, yes I agree he may have big problems. I also agree that a lot of people do want him to succeed, why would someone deliberately want him to fail? Getting rid of a manager can make things better, but it can also make things ten time worse. Everyone is going on about Klopp. If some of the other big teams are after a manager he might not chose us. Everything that is happening to Moyes might actually but some off.

I think some people especially want Moyes to succeed because it would be a nice story from different angles. And he's also likely to stay a very long time if it does work out.

Klopp? I really like him, but I don't know how many times he can tell the world he doesn't want to leave Dortmund before people catch up.
 
Other big teams? You forget who we are. This is the biggest job in the world. Only been offered the chance to manage Barcelona would make Klopp think twice IMHO.

I'd go further. Given the insistence on the way Barcelona play, I doubt Klopp is right for them. Vertical play at speed, lots of rapid counter attacks and one touch football - that's how Klopp likes to play and that's how we like to play. Klopp is ideal for our club.
 
Match going fans are no more pro or anti-Moyes than those on the forums. Whilst at the ground you support the team and the manager. I personally think today's reaction at Old Trafford was trying to convey to those responsible for hiring the plane is there are more reasonable ways of conveying your opinions without beating your chest or being irrational.

How are fans supposed to translate their concerns about Moyes if they aren't allowed to display anything remotely anti-Moyes in the stadium? It's not like the board is going to go around reading RedCafe and RedIssue to gauge fan sentiment. Without that plane today, coupled with the continual support of the crowd, I'm fairly certain the board wouldn't know that most fans don't actually want Moyes at the club any more.
 
Our matchday fans gave Moyes a standing ovation and booed the plane even though they are unhappy with him. That means everyone instead of criticising the man should quietly endure his version of football until he leaves the club. You can't publicly endorse someone then lay into him anonymously on the internet. Thats hypocrisy.
Those who want him gone but did the above deserve him and none of them have a single right to complain about anything he does or says for the rest of his tenure.
 
Other big teams? You forget who we are. This is the biggest job in the world. Only been offered the chance to manage Barcelona would make Klopp think twice IMHO.
If Real blow up, that job might come up. What if Wenger doesn't sign his contract? Yes we are a very big club. The other clubs that like sacking their managers might provide him with plenty of options or he could just stay at Dortmund who aren't too shabby. Klopp would be ideal, but it depends which managers want a ready stocked team or as in our case a team that need some retooling. I haven't forgotten how big we are, it's the fact that there are other teams out there now with bottomless pits of money. I would hope someone like Klopp wouldn't be attracted by them, but would prefer a club who has tradition and has earned their success the right way.
 
Match going fans are no more pro or anti-Moyes than those on the forums. Whilst at the ground you support the team and the manager. I personally think today's reaction at Old Trafford was trying to convey to those responsible for hiring the plane is there are more reasonable ways of conveying your opinions without beating your chest or being irrational.

Its genuinely surprising the amount of people who don't get this.

There are plenty of match going fans who want Moyes out. However, they don't think flying a plane over the ground is the best way to express it. They don't think booing Moyes ahead of a game that could end embarrassingly if they don't get behind the team is a good idea.

When you go to the ground you go to support. If we get more terrible results the fans might boo but United fans aren't big on that really. Even people booing Nani was looked down on after it happened. United is supposed to be more than that.

Its possible it could still kick off if Bayern absolutely hammer us. At this moment in time I think its more likely the ground would start to empty after the 3rd or 4th goal. If anything does for Moyes it'll be the sight of a half empty stadium.
 
Its possible it could still kick off if Bayern absolutely hammer us. At this moment in time I think its more likely the ground would start to empty after the 3rd or 4th goal. If anything does for Moyes it'll be the sight of a half empty stadium.
Today's empty seats should already be an indicator. I've never seen as many empty seats for a Premiership game as today.
 
Klopp? I really like him, but I don't know how many times he can tell the world he doesn't want to leave Dortmund before people catch up.

It is a lost cause. Before I posted my last longer post about this topic I debated with myself if it is really worth it and quite frankly it is not. People will believe what they want to believe no matter what. So let them believe that all it takes for him to drop the thing he worked on so hard for six years and run to Manchester is an offer coupled with a bag of cash.

He declined offers from the most prestigous club of the game (Real Madrid) and one of the richest (Chelsea)? Doesn´t matter, it is United. It goes against everything he stands for as a person and what he has shown in his entire career? Doesn´t matter, it is United. It makes no sense in light of his last contract extension five months ago? Doesn´t matter, it is United.

The most hilarious thing is, that even the entire German press believes his commitment to Dortmund. There has not been a single rumour from them about any club in the world since he signed his new contract. But like I said, people will believe what they want to no matter what.
 
Today's empty seats should already be an indicator. I've never seen as many empty seats for a Premiership game as today.
Wasn't that traffic related though? Or was that just coincidental?
 
Moyes can hope and pray all he likes, but until he actually changes his style, his outlook, his self, we are not winning the league. Next year he's going to be up against a Mourinho with a stronger team, a Pellegrini with a stronger team, Rodgers, Van Gaal, Wenger... David Moyes has not proved to be anywhere near the class of any of those managers.

Who can we possibly buy this summer that will mitigate the inherent flaws of Moyes' managerial ability? Kroos, Vidal, Gundogan are never going to happen. So, this Carvalho kid? A 21 year old from Portugal. He won't be enough. Moyes has proved to be incapable of getting the best out of 'just' good players, so he's going to need the very best. A few problems with that: the best want to play in the CL; the best want to play with good managers. Money, you say? Say Kroos becomes available, do you honestly think another team won't come in and match our offer? Chelsea, City, Madrid, Barca, PSG can match us and have much better prospects. And he'll probably stay at Bayern anyway.

We went for a manager who was supposed to provide stability - a conveyor belt of players intended to force our way to the top is not the way to create stability. Look at Madrid. Hundreds of millions spent in the last decade, and their success has been modest at best. The only stability Moyes will provide is a nice cushy position somewhere between 5th and 8th.

We need a manager who doesn't need the best players, but one that deserves them.

We need a manager with ambition, with adventure, with vision. Not a manager who finds virtue in defensiveness, who adheres to a style that has long been outdated.

Moyes isn't even good enough for Everton anymore - in fact, it looks like he was even holding them back - and he's most certainly not good enough for Manchester United.
 
Match going fans are no more pro or anti-Moyes than those on the forums. Whilst at the ground you support the team and the manager. I personally think today's reaction at Old Trafford was trying to convey to those responsible for hiring the plane is there are more reasonable ways of conveying your opinions without beating your chest or being irrational.
I actually think the forums represent the view of the fans better, because they are freer to express their opinions than the ones who go to stadium.
 
Today's empty seats should already be an indicator. I've never seen as many empty seats for a Premiership game as today.

It looked quite barren at 3-0 to City midweek. I think a hammering against Bayern will hurt people, a lot. In your mind you think its Bayern they're the best in the world, after so many years of Fergie though you still wanna dream the impossible dream. There will be lads tonight telling anyone who will listen that Bayern will smash us who on Tuesday afternoon will be saying we can do it.

Football's crazy that way. Plays with your emotions. You start believing it. We should expect it but if Bayern roll us up like an old carpet there will be a lot of shock and anger. It will hit hard. Its actually a really good thing we dont have a home game after this for awhile.
 
Today's empty seats should already be an indicator. I've never seen as many empty seats for a Premiership game as today.

Of course, the lorry overturned near OT didn't block up traffic at all, or have any influence on attendance.
 
I actually think the forums represent the view of the fans better, because they are freer to express their opinions than the ones who go to stadium.

Same.

The forums are certainly a good sample. Judging from this forum, and others around the web, there can be a definite inference made that a lot of United fans want Moyes out.
 
Traffic wasn't a big issue around the ground. More likely due to our Premiership season being over.
 
Moyes isn't even good enough for Everton anymore - in fact, it looks like he was even holding them back - and he's most certainly not good enough for Manchester United.
Moyes is Everton. He built that team and offered them stability while operating on a laughable budget.

The reason why Barkley is still upgrading his form and abilities despite the horrible injury is because Moyes offered him more than many managers couldn't.

If he was still there he would continue to steal points from Premier League's very best... including us, even if we were still under SAF with everything under control.
 
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