Moyes So Far!

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Amir said:
Why? What's the point? We've been turning corners all season, we've already seen wins, sometimes good wins (mostly against mediocre sides), but we never build on it. If we continue like that, we'll carry on with Moyes for years because we'll keep on beating the Villa's of this world and hope a corner has been turned.
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I know. And personally, I don't believe in him anymore.

But, imo, whenever he wins he should be given a break, we all made our points about him when we lost (embarrassingly), but now he won. It's not the end of the season yet so we can reflect on everything happened during the season. We're still going. Today is a new day, and we won. Well done.

Now it's up to him to make the most out of this break, and extend it as long as he can. (and I'm not only talking about the CL games, but the remaining fixtures in the league as well).
 
Danny1982 said:
But, imo, whenever he wins he should be given a break, we all made our points about him when we lost (embarrassingly), but now he won. It's not the end of the season yet so we can reflect on everything happened during the season. We're still going. Today is a new day, and we won. Well done.

Now it's up to him to make the most out of this break, and extend it as long as he can. (and I'm not only talking about the CL games, but the remaining fixtures in the league as well).
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Newcastle are decent. It's also sandwiched between the two Bayern matches. This is when it ends and the cycle starts again.

I don't see the point in letting him go now so I don't mind waiting until the end of the season. But things need to be said now as well. The worst thing is to change your tune or at least voice/not voice an opinion following a good or a bad result. I've made up my mind about Moyes three months ago, and that's that. I've seen nothing to change my mind since so I don't see the point in shutting up after the better games.
 
MajorTom said:
I'm tired of having a contrasting opinion than some for today and especially as those opinions are going against fellow reds. He isn't destroying the club as we will always stand up next to the tallest of giants and never be in their shadow, quite the opposite. We can only judge him fully in the truest of time. Good win today and he showed his salt by coming out first to face the reaction. Credit where credit is due.
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Come on the fans have bloody pandered to his situation all season, as if the Stretty was ever going to do anything other than clap him when he came out. If there is one thing he has perfected its massaging the fans. When you say judge him in the truest of time what exactly do you mean by that? Just curious.
 
Moyes giving his usual propaganda in the post-match interview, declaring that the majority of fans are with him and they understand what he's trying to do.
 
Have to say, I'm not convinced Moyes is up to the job anymore, but the Stretty reaction to the pointless plane was great.
 
MajorTom said:
I'm tired of having a contrasting opinion than some for today and especially as those opinions are going against fellow reds. He isn't destroying the club as we will always stand up next to the tallest of giants and never be in their shadow, quite the opposite. We can only judge him fully in the truest of time. Good win today and he showed his salt by coming out first to face the reaction. Credit where credit is due.
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Wow that must be it then, he came out as the first one to face the reaction of fans, what a hero he is and how wrong could I have been in ever doubting him.

And yea what a brilliant win today, 4-1 to one of the weakest teams in the division and with a big truckload of luck aswell. If Benteke finishes his chances this game would have been another humiliation (I've lost count from how many we've already had this season). The result is ok, the performance was horrible, seen lots of mistakes, and our players didn't know anything else but crossing again to try and get goals. Like somebody said we tend to get goals despite our play instead of because of our play. We could have seen the same performance from the players and lost here today. It is far from good. If he has lowered our standards already as much as to call this a good win deserving of an applause than he has already destroyed us.

Wtf is the nonsense about standing next to the tallest of giants and never be in their shadow. This season we have been in the shadow of fecking Everton for that matter... What you are talking about is legacy coming from far greater managers than fecking David Moyes and he is rapidly destroying that legacy. All our good records have been destroyed this season. No team fears us anymore like they used to do. 3 points at OT is seen as an easy 3 points, our rivals are laughing at us and at best pity us but not of them are dreading us. OT is no fortress anymore it is a circus where everybody can come an get 3 points for free. In the CL no team, definitley not the big tall giants you refer to are afraid of us, we are second best against everyone of them even teams like Atletico and Dortmund, all were hoping they would get us and nobody considers us favorites for anything anymore. Sportively we are in alot of shadows atm, to say otherwise is just dellusional, and it is the Moyes his fault it has come to this.
 
Comsmit said:
Come on the fans have bloody pandered to his situation all season, as if the Stretty was ever going to do anything other than clap him when he came out. If there is one thing he has perfected its massaging the fans. When you say judge him in the truest of time what exactly do you mean by that? Just curious.
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Exactly what I said. He isn't going anywhere, not now and not in the summer. He is here for at least another season and maybe another after that if it happens to disappoint like this season has panned out. We aren't going to be in this position next season, though. Then we can comment about him with an element of certainty. We will be okay and David Moyes will be here when rays of Manchester United illuminate us again (that is if to say that they still aren't).
 
Raoul said:
We just won 4-1. The Moyes out brigade should be happy about that, rather than having a go at him.
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It's hard not to be pessimistic though, we've been in this situation multiple times this season. Promising win only to crumble again in the next game. He needs to build up a trust by showing consistent signs of improvement, not one-offs.

Sadly our next game is against the best team in the world, so it may prove difficult.
 
MajorTom said:
I'm tired of having a contrasting opinion than some for today and especially as those opinions are going against fellow reds. He isn't destroying the club as we will always stand up next to the tallest of giants and never be in their shadow, quite the opposite. We can only judge him fully in the truest of time. Good win today and he showed his salt by coming out first to face the reaction. Credit where credit is due.
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Some idiosyncratic expressions there - "truest of time", "showed his salt"....

Today was a home win against one of the weaker sides in the division. It could have been much closer had Benteke turned up. So, let him enjoy a victory and a good night's sleep but, until he manages to beat a team near the top end of the table, I think the evidence is still stacked against him.
 
Raoul said:
We just won 4-1. The Moyes out brigade should be happy about that, rather than having a go at him.
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Only to get trounced by any half decent side...

Doesn't change anything.
 
MajorTom said:
Exactly what I said. He isn't going anywhere, not now and not in the summer. He is here for at least another season and maybe another after that if it happens to disappoint like this season has panned out. We aren't going to be in this position next season, though. Then we can comment about him with an element of certainty. We will be okay and David Moyes will be here when rays of Manchester United illuminate us again (that is if to say that they still aren't).
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I think you might be in for a shock Major. I also don't feel you require two full seasons to comment on him with an element of certainty.

He's basically managing Manchester United as he did when he started out with Everton. He isn't adaptable in any way, shape or form.
 
Raoul said:
We just won 4-1. The Moyes out brigade should be happy about that, rather than having a go at him.
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Too little, too late. We cannot judge anything from one result, even against better sides than Villa. That would be a big mistake. Over the course of the season, he has proved he's not up to the job, 100%. And he hasn't shown anything throughout his tenure to convince us otherwise.

We need a manager who can get results when we really need them, not after the season is basically over. Barring a total miracle against Bayern, that is.
 
Loon said:
Have to say, I'm not convinced Moyes is up to the job anymore, but the Stretty reaction to the pointless plane was great.
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Equally, you could say the 'Chosen One' banner is also pointless, presumptious and arrogant.
 
I'm sadly past the point where one one good wins takes away my worries about Moyes. We've flattered to deceive half a dozen times this season, at least. If we get a good outing versus Bayern München on Tuesday, then I'll start to cut him some slack. We don't even have to win, just not be destroyed like everyone is expecting us to be.
 
Raoul said:
There have been times when I feel he's slowly molding us into something he can work with, which combined with 3-4 world class players this summer, could result in a complete turnaround. He just has to hang on this year.

Remember he finished 17 at Everton in his first year and took them to 4th the next.
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He finished 17th in his second season. He finished 7th in the first.
 
HYPOTHETICAL:

Would you take Liverpool winning the league this season...

IF we sacked Moyes and hired Klopp, along with £150m to spend this summer?
 
Raoul said:
There have been times when I feel he's slowly molding us into something he can work with, which combined with 3-4 world class players this summer, could result in a complete turnaround. He just has to hang on this year.

Remember he finished 17 at Everton in his first year and took them to 4th the next.
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Do you think Everton would take him back now? not in million years. They took the shackles of when Moyes left and are doing much better without him, even the players say they enjoy the more tactical training now that he's gone. And why do we always make the same mistake of comparing what happened more than 10 years ago, football has changed a lot since then.
 
Raoul said:
We just won 4-1. The Moyes out brigade should be happy about that, rather than having a go at him.
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The Moyes out brigade will only be happy if he gets sacked.

The only positive of todays win are 3 points which in the grand total of the season won't matter too much because we have already wasted our chances for top 4 and at most will mean the difference between EL or no EL and nobody is letting his sleep over that. The only positives Moyes could give us (beside getting fired) is starting to play decently with good performances and today wasn't a good performance, it was a bad one in truth we were lucky that Villa didn't finish their chances and forgot to made it hard on us.

I'll be singing his praise when he gets us to play exciting football and win 4-1 not when he is lucky enough to play bad and get and still get a decent result. Don't get me wrong I find results more important than performance, but this result doesn't mean anything anymore. Now if it were 4-1 versus a serious team like City or Liverpool that change things, but not versus Villa. His last game of significance this season is the QF versus Bayern if he somehow manages to pull us through that one, than things could really start to change, but not because of this stupid game versus Villa.

Its maybay cringeworthy but I'am starting to get annoyed by this stop and go form of United. I either want to see the team do consistently well and see them get confidient again, seeing a real starting XI of Moyes with a system that works and gets us good results week in week out also versus some of the big teams or I want him to be shown for what he truely is, which is a loser and I' wouldn't mind us seeing us losing week in week out if it meant that Moyes would eventually lose his job and we'd be getting another manager in the summer. But this stop and go results are not really helping the team, we win one but the next one is again a humiliating lose, which means we'r just standing still in the league while the rest is moving forward (so much that top 4 is now out of reach). Yet it does put pressure off Moyes and keeps him in the job.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'm sure David Moyes comes on the cafe to read your posts like. Still, you're obviously a super ******* for posting deluded nonsense about Moyes on the internet, eh?
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Each to their own. Maybe stop replying to me with absolute tedium. You seem quite upset for some reason. Victory today, and the sun is shining. What more do you want? You can reply again but don't expect a response. Have a good 'en.
 
TooBias said:
HYPOTHETICAL:

Would you take Liverpool winning the league this season...

IF we sacked Moyes and hired Klopp, along with £150m to spend this summer?
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YES !

It would be one league title to them and could lay the foundation for dozens for us. Klopp is a brilliant manager, he'd know how to get the best out of Kagawa. He'd know how to make Januzaj into a super star. He'd also have an attraction on Dortmund players, we could be getting Reus, Gundogan, Hummels etc if we wanted definitley if we supplied him with £150m. Imagine what kind of team he could build with those kind of players supplmented with Mata, Rooney, RVP etc, he'd be able to make us exciting again and he'd be able to make us effective aswell. The guy would own the PL with such a team and he'd have it in him to challenge the likes of Real and Bayern in the CL. He is the kind of manager that could truely make us great again. I would happily see Liverpool winning the title if it meant we'd get this in return.
 
ha_rooney said:
It appears Moyes has convinced enough fans that this squad is ageing and it really is Fergie's fault we're struggling this season. Was following this on BBC's commentary and a few people pointed the finger at Fergie, whilst my twitter timeline is full of ecstatic fans who reckon things are only going to get better (at least until Bayern spoil that party).

Personally, I still want him gone by the summer. He's shown nothing to demonstrate things will get better, even if we heavily invest in new players. Nothing against Moyes as a man, but as a manager he's out of his depth and, in my opinion, we're delaying the inevitable if we keep him on until next season.
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Pointing fingers at Fergie is just plain wrong. We won, nothing to dispute. Nevertheless, there was not much of a change today regarding a number of tactics on the field. I don't see how the man has proven anything so people would be convinced that our squad is shit nor he deserves any form of pity after everything he has done.

NoArroJusBeta said:
I just can't comprehend people still supporting him like today. What exactly are you praising him for, getting us from champions to 7th place, making us one of the most unwatchable teams on the planet ? Why is it that David Moyes doesn't have to earn his support like every other manager needs to at every other club ? The fact is people aren't supporting Moyes they are still supporting Ferguson, seeing Moyes as an extension of him. Just feels like people still can't let go and don't fully realise the situation the club is in. Our succescoach is gone and we have replaced him by the unproven David Moyes who has so far turned us into a complete mess. Yet none of it seems to be his fault and he is still getting the praise like he somehow did something to earn it, I guess that something is being chosen by Ferguson himself. If ferguson didn't pick him and if he didn't make his little speach at the end of last year, I bet you Moyes would have been firred months ago, he probably wouldn't have ever been hirred.
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This. And considering how many people even dared thinking of SAF coming back to replace Moyes, it shows indeed how a number of people aren't ready to accept the kind of change that yet would allow us to be back on top where we belong not only in terms of standings, but also in terms of footballing style.
 
Sir Alex Ferguson - “The religion at United was that when one of our players had the ball, we moved and all the others supported the play”

Haven't seen much of that under Moyes.
 
Does anybody feel like Rust in True Detective when it comes to United this season?

The OT crowd, forgetting Moyes' terrible record after a game against seriously weak opposition, getting outclassed by teams with any sort of quality. Time really is a flat circle. Everything is just repeating and repeating.

Watching the crowd cheer him when he walked out of the tunnel was like the scene in the church tent. Bizarre.

Feel like I'm in a dream. And like a lot of dreams there's a monster at the end of it (Moyes).
 
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