Was he referring to the time when he's "coaching" the players kicking the ball around during training? Most of the time when training pictures were shown, he appeared very joyous. That;s how he regarded as working together and having a great relationship?
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Was he referring to the time when he's "coaching" the players kicking the ball around during training? Most of the time when training pictures were shown, he appeared very joyous. That;s how he regarded as working together and having a great relationship?
My greatest fear is if he does strengthen and we pick up a little, maybe get top four next season and a little cup run and then for the next few years spend our seasons dithering about in and around top four without actually getting into the title race or threatening the big 3 in Europe, we have been part of the big 4 for the last decade or two and a club like United should be there, next season we almost certainly won't.
For me, the way he put it wasn't that convincing really. I mean "I have no reason to suggest anything else"?
Don't know. Don't want to read too much into it (especially that he hasn't been expressing his thoughts in the best ways recently).
Unfortunately because things are going badly the manager has convinced himself that the whole squad need ripping apart and more unfortunately he has convinced the players that they are not good enough either. The squad needed strengthening in the summer, just like any team who has just won the league, it seems to have gone from that to a major overhaul in a few months. If Rio and Vidic are going now, why not change them last summer, instead of letting them stumble their way through the season. The Evra/Baines debacle was ridiculous. If Everton didn't want to sell get someone else, not hang around until the last day of the transfer window. That was the window to change things.
Fabregas, SAF would have sussed that one out straight away, two novices in dealing with big money transfers were taken in and didn't realise he was stringing them along to get a better contract. e.g. Tony Kroos, I can see it all happening again.
Fabregas, SAF would have sussed that one out straight away, two novices in dealing with big money transfers were taken in and didn't realise he was stringing them along to get a better contract. e.g. Tony Kroos, I can see it all happening again.
He looks like he's just fecking about in each and every snip of his training sessions I have seen, it appears to have transpired onto the matchday field also.
I don't have a problem with him taking training, he is still a relatively young man in management terms and he does seem to enjoy it. These players have got used to coaches taking the training and not a manager. If he had better coaching staff with him would it be better, we just don't know?
He really has to be very daft not knowing the players were not playing for him (shown on the pitch). They don't need to tell him explicitly to show they are in defiant, do they!!! It looks like Moyes genuinely does not have any clues and it shows during interviews.
this is how i feel as well. in fact with each passing game.
I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I meant, or wanted to quote another post.
I have no problem with him training with the squad either. I was just commenting on the conviction with which he said that statement about the players having faith in him or having problems with him. I was expecting more "Absolutely...etc.".
"No reason to suggest anything else" sounded a bit weak to me.
I can understand all that. But I think 3 players max and there were more important areas of the pitch to strengthen first like CM and a CB. Cos they are the spine of the team and players take longer to get settled, therefore more of a priority. I just think any more than that would be too much all at once.
LB, some might not agree, but we had 3 players there. You might say they're not all that, Evra past it, Buttner and Fabio not up to it. But I think we could have at least got by with them for this season and then looked at it properly, or possibly up to the January window, depending on who was available. And Moyes failed to sign a new one and sold Fabio, so left us a bit short. RB, there was Rafael, Smalling and Valencia and a similar situation to LB. Could have got by with that and looked at it later on.
You also have to consider how they are managed within the system. We didn't really have a defensively minded back 4, compared to other clubs, it was more offensive. But that was up until this season and now we have a team who play like they are strangers. As for wingers, there's Januzaj and Zaha, but Moyes doesn't like Zaha cos he knows better than SAF, apparently, and wants to sell him. Could have easily sold Young cos let's face it, would we miss him?
it seems a bit odd we're planning to do this huge overhaul in a world cup year. a year when players away at the World Cup dont return to pre-season training until much later. I just cant help but feel bringing in 3-4 signings is going to put moyes under even more pressure if he stays. i cant get over the optimism when mata joined and then the dross which continued to follow.
there also seems to be this need amongst some of our fans to correct every single weakness in our team which is a very difficult task. many clubs would love to be in the position bayern are in where you could say they're well stocked in every position. but if it was easy to correct all the weaknesses in a squad, wouldnt clubs have complete squads by now.
if moyes can bring in a CM and a CB and in turn churn out better results, that's progress for me and i'd be willing to give him more time. but the idea of bringing in more than 3 or 4 or maybe even 5 with some departures is just too much change for me.
there also seems to be this need amongst some of our fans to correct every single weakness in our team which is a very difficult task. many clubs would love to be in the position bayern are in where you could say they're well stocked in every position. but if it was easy to correct all the weaknesses in a squad, wouldnt clubs have complete squads by now.
if moyes can bring in a CM and a CB and in turn churn out better results, that's progress for me and i'd be willing to give him more time. but the idea of bringing in more than 3 or 4 or maybe even 5 with some departures is just too much change for me.
He's 50...And why would he think he makes a good coach (techniques and skills etc) kicking the ball around teaching his players? A manager's duty is to observe and to deploy, and to consider strategy and planning.... and you cannot use the same strategy to play every team you face. Does he have a plan to handle different oppositions for example.
His mentality to play for not losing is the opposite of what Man United is about.
Aaaaah! Sorry. We will never know how the players feel, until someone leaves, either him or the players themselves. If he goes he will probably be told to keep his mouth shut.
Well, that is another puzzling question as to why we gave him the job.
Moyes So Fart...I read....
ahh well.
ahh well.
Giving him the job doesn't mean he has to NOT CHANGE. The whole idea is for him to adapt to us, not the other way round. Either he is still "trying" to figure out how to adapt or having no clues. Anyone coming to a a club like United should be able to show some confidence (and apparently, he has not shown the required confidence in the dressing room so the players were adversely affected)
He had let all of us (the club, SAF, players, and us fans) down.
Is there anyone out there, truly, who does not have a vested or reputational interest in Moyes and still believe he's the right man for this job?
No fukkin way.
I'm willing to wail it this out until May but this madness has to end.
The only thing that will change my mind is if we finish this season very strongly -- playing well against Bayern and running the table on our remaining league matches. That might happen and if it does I'll eat my words and put up a Moyes pic permanently.
Maybe I'm "spoiled" but our expectations have to much higher than anything Moyes has ever delivered in his entire career.
No fukkin way.
I'm willing to wail it this out until May but this madness has to end.
The only thing that will change my mind is if we finish this season very strongly -- playing well against Bayern and running the table on our remaining league matches. That might happen and if it does I'll eat my words and put up a Moyes pic permanently.
Maybe I'm "spoiled" but our expectations have to much higher than anything Moyes has ever delivered in his entire career.
Typical of the snide prick to try and shift the blame.
That'll get the fans back on side, just rip apart the legacy of the man they idolise.
What does he think we'll accept as the excuse that run-away title winners became mid-table also-rans in the space of a summer?
Magic?
What does he think we'll accept as the excuse that run-away title winners became mid-table also-rans in the space of a summer?
Magic?
Let's all just read the headlines and take quotes out of context. The context being that City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal have all been resurgent this season - thus making it a far more difficult league than last season. But nah, it's a lot easier to just cherry pick quotes and criticise Moyes.
Better taking a quote at face value than inventing a context and saying "look, here's the context" as you've just done.
How have you surmised that particular context for the quotes exactly?
Strangely enough so have Everton.
Christ. Not helping himself with those comments.
Usually don't take notice of these things but...he didn't need to say that.
Usually don't take notice of these things but...he didn't need to say that.
He really is determined to make it hard for every single fan, irrespective of both the camps.
Fergie won titles when he was transitioning through teams, the worst it got was about 3rd in the league. Moyes is an absolute charlatan.
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He has got a point with large parts of the squad. In fact he's got a lot of excuses to be performing below par. But not this poorly, in this manner.
What an idiot. If ever there was a way to get rid of the last few fans who still supported him... Every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.He does but, as you say, he's just exarcebated the issues while fixing none of them. Mourinho's got a few ageing players (Terry, Eto'o, Lampard) but he's got good performances from them. He went and got Matic to replace Lampard and he's been brilliant in the big games while our big midfield signing has really struggled against the better sides and the likes of Carrick and Van Persie have just completely dropped off from their really good form of last year. Moyes actually had one of the oldest squads in the league at Everton so it's strange that he's had issues with dealing with older players.
His stay of execution has gone on for so long that he's running out of things to say tbf. Every week he gets jumped on for saying the same stuff. He's taken the blame and been moaned at for being Captain obvious. He's said we need new players and been told he shouldn't slate the players. He could say the squad is great and be called deluded.
He can't really win. It's not even entirely through faults of his own making. It's a bizarre situation we're in. Man with little history to point to is in charge of crumbling empire and there's no signs of an overthrow. It's unprecedented.
He can't really win. It's not even entirely through faults of his own making. It's a bizarre situation we're in. Man with little history to point to is in charge of crumbling empire and there's no signs of an overthrow. It's unprecedented.
So a squad that is, for the most part unchanged goes from champions to seventh simply because of ageing to a few key players and some squad players. He doesn't help himself with these comments and excuses. Probably should have a word with his PR guy.
Don't get me wrong, he's made more cock ups than I ever thought imaginable. It's almost like he's purposely being a belligerent arsehole because he can. I'm just not sure what he can say to the media at the moment that would appease anybody, other than "I quit"
Oh, of course, I don't really care about his quotes even though I wonder whether they're reflective of what he's like with the players. I was just talking generally about how whenever I try to excuse him and think sensibly about the merits of giving him another year, it's difficult to think of many valid reasons why he got the job in the first place let alone why he should be trusted to continue after such a poor start.
He really didn't say that, did he? No-one could be that careless in the position he's in right now, could they?
True. It's almost impossible to negotiate the minefield of public comment now.
The only plausible explanation for our dire situation is - 'I'm doing a lousy job'. He can't say that, so he's left with a ragbag of unconvincing excuses, all of which he trots out from time to time.
Unprecedented is the right word. Managers who perform as badly as Dave are not normally called on to say anything. The board have put them out of their misery long since.
But Moyes says today that his style is what Manchester United have been all about over the years. That the club trusts him etc etc. He really is delusional.
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