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Moyes So Far!
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Why is Moyes completely expected to coach and run the club? That may have been the way Fergie did it, although even he began delegating more as time went on, but Moyes was given free reign to do as he desired. He could've hired four or five first team coaches if he wanted. Someone to take training, someone to do tactical drills, a defensive coach, an attacking coach, he had absolute carte blanche to build the regime he wanted. If the job is too much for him that's his fault. He chose to do it this way.
Everton have changed manager once in 11 years, they seem to be doing totally fine. I don't know how Martinez is doing things at Everton, in terms of how he arranges off field duties, but on the pitch the difference is clear. Players like Barkley and Pienaar have come out and said he's better than Moyes, more tactical and gives them more confidence. Again, Martinez is being judged mostly based on using someone else's players. He's made a few clever moves in the market, yes. But then Moyes has had two transfer windows already and hasn't shown that nous. Surely rather than pointing to the importance of Martinez's loans we should be asking why Moyes' only midfield signing is Fellaini, a player who controls the ball better at chest height than foot height.
Moyes has failed to put together any sort of coherent tactical plan besides get to the byline and cross. Moyes' defensive set up, especially at set pieces is useless and reeks off fear (nobody outside our box). Most of the players Moyes is working with have not known Fergie all their lives only Giggs, Clev, Fletch, Welbeck, Evans have been around that long. Most have been at most for half a dozen years, regularly go off and play well for their national sides, and come back and play rubbish for Moyes. So what does that tell you...?
Again, you're judging him different to every other manager on earth. Nobody else gets this kind of free pass for failure.
Stop playing with Moyes brain. He already thinks it's only a minority that wants him out. Silence to him will probably mean the fans are too engrossed with his lovely football.
I don't think trusting SAF on anything football is blind faith as he has done more then enough to warrant support. the fact that DM has thus far not worked out, does not make SAF judgement null and void. Lets agree to disagree on the blind faith thing cause I don't feel we will ever find a neutral ground on this point.
I suppose I judge fellani like I think of Evra and vidic where they had a horrible first few months at the club. Fellani joined the club and team that has looked short in confidence. Not just that, like DM, he was taking a huge step and the pressure of the step up coupled with playing in a team bereft of confidence and with savage injuries to boot it was never going to make it easy. If a person only saw Mata play football since he joined United they would most certainly not think hes world class, but we all know he is. . I don't know if Fellani will come good or get any better, but I don't think hes had the ideal stage to perform.
The truth is that whether we stick with Moyes or hire an alternative manager, there is an element of a gamble. Unless DM buys a bunch of turkeys, I don't see the financial risk in buying quality players that a next manager could use. You are correct in that the answer is that there is uncertainty whatever decision the club makes. Stick or twist. . With or without Moyes there is no guarantee that any other available manager will turn things around quickly. .
But I do believe that things might of been different had there not been a Chelsea, City, PSG, Monaco kind of threat. Uniteds owners are stingy f**ks who don't want to be bidding against bottomless pits. In times gone by, successful clubs attracted top players/managers by default. Now rich, barbaric (human rights violations in their countries) arabs trying to buy positive will can trump club success. I believe the clubs strategy was to try and build another legacy which would cost more initially, but less in the long term if DM could stabilise things (I know that's funny posting it now!) and build up a good scouting/youth network.
We shouldn't even be in a position of turning any corners at the end of March, against Aston Villa!
He is genuinely quite smug. Kind of unlikeable.
Turn enough corners and you end up back at the start. I think we've done 50 laps.
He's always been smug
"Oh plucky little David Moyes. Honest, modest and an example to all footballing men"
Jog the hell on!!
It's got to the stage where I know whats around the corner. I'm getting a nose bleed
Exactly turning corners? There's not enough of the finishing strait left to have any corners.
He'd get a job working in Forumla 1
Actually I think we are standing on the corner watching all the teams go by.
He doesn't look under any pressure, he's a very relaxed man.
He's not relaxed. He's in shock. A near catatonic state of trauma and stress induced stupor. He's going to be sectioned and carted out of there with The Chosen One flag wrapped around him as a restraining tool.
This is why I can't sympathise with him. "Poor guy, he's having a torrid time, works so hard, wow, much effort etc". Bollocks, he's always smugly reminding us his job is safe, that its the players (and not him) that need step up, all while grinning like a gimp. Gollum needs to be brought down a notch.
David Moyes is smug now, is he? ffs.
He's visibly gone through a lot of different emotions this season. Smug is not one of them.
He's visibly gone through a lot of different emotions this season. Smug is not one of them.
This. That fecking grin does it every time. Feel like punching it off him.
I don't completely disagree with your comments. In fact a lot of it is very well articulated and constructed. I don't think looking at Everton and saying "look at how well they are doing" automatically means that DM is a failure because its been in the same timeframe. Perhaps DM took Everton as far as he could with their budget, from low league in the table to top half of table.
What I do agree with you on is that I do judge Moyes on a different level to every other manager on earth because I don't think there's a comparable situation in relation to job scrutiny, job pressure and job criteria.
I think Jose would be on the United bench if the club wanted to simply just continue on with this squad of players. You don't have to have any knowledge of football to know this. I don't know exactly what they expected from DM, but I don't believe they didn't know his qualifications were not as prestigious as that of alternative managers.
That's why I don't judge DM in comparison to other job/clubs. He wasn't the obvious choice and wasn't chosen in a conventional way. So to expect comparable results is not exactly showing an understanding of the original decision/strategy. You can argue that results/performances are all that matters and you would be right, but the question is what exactly does the club expect (timeline) and how far are they willing to go with the manager before this project is binned.
If they hired him to perform things like Jose or finish in the top 4, well he's failed and will be sacked. I just don't think it was that simple. The club can either stick to its guns and trust its initial decision or it can default to conventional wisdom where everybody judges a manager on visuall results over a season.
He's driven this club into midtable freefall in the space of one season yet in every conference/interview he's there with that stupid grin on his face constantly reminding us he's not getting sacked and that he has a 'vision'. Now to top it off he thinks most fans are behind him when the evidence suggests the contrary. If he's not smug then he's just pathologically delusional, neither of which reflect well on him.
I agree with you there, unfortunately it is starting to get a bit personal. OK he might not be for us, but to wish physical harm on someone is not good.
He is a little bit smug. I don't think he's really that bothered with how the season's gone. His job's secure, he's gonna get a shedload to spend in the summer. He's almost untouchable.
That grin you are talking about looks more like a nervous grin to a smug grin to me. He must be under intolerable pressure. When you get people sending disgusting tweets to someone they mistook for his daughter, then it isn't good.
What's he said now?
I would say the exact opposite. He looks to me like a guy under enormous pressure, who knows that he might not recover from this tailspin.
The usual, although in a way piling the blame onto the players. You know the ones who aren't good enough, that he is going to replace with world class players.
The players intend to make up for their woeful displays against Liverpool and City by trying to beat Villa at the weekend.
If we go by hyperbole 'I take all the responsibility, but the players are playing like shit'. Basically, I have to say that I take responsibility, but the responsibility is on players.
I'm getting the smugness more from his words and rhetoric as opposed to his smiles alone, which you're right in suggesting might be nervously-induced. Still doesn't make him it less irritating mind you.
Naughty, Naughty.Fixed.Difficult to understand how Moyes is still in a job at United.
I think some people want him to burst into tears and say "I Kaneee take much more of it " . ..
People can question his qualifications to be our manager, but it's sad when people start name calling about his appearance, his family etc. It is not showing us in a good light.
The press are too easy on him, they never ask anything specific regarding how he intends to improve things, what kinda tactical change he's ready to make etc etc etc ... I know it may sound stupid from me but why wasn't he asked about the bloody plane and how it affects the team ? All we ever hear about banalities about "doing better" "the players are better than that" "we let the fans down".
We have a generic manager being asked pointless questions so automatically his answers are going to be rather pointless too.
Doesn't really matter,for whatever he says is seen as negative.
Yeah, that's where I draw the line. He doesn't deserve any of that. But I'm also not in the sympathy-porn camp with the "I feel for him.."
It's a job. He's under-qualified. It shows. When he'll be sacked he'll still have a cash pile and a number of mid-table clubs interested in his services.
It's not his fault he's under qualified for this job, he would never have won the things to make him qualified at Everton. He should have won something, but not enough. The board should have realised this, we are too big a club to employ a manager as an experiment.
I hate it when he continues to lay blame on the players. They won the League just 3 months before he took over. He is the manager. He is responsible for tactics and team selections. He had 2 transfer windows to make any necessary changes. Whilst he didn't inherit a perfect squad it is insulting for him and his supporters to lay blame on the players and Fergie's regime.
Moyes has said umpteen times that he takes the responsibility for what is happening. Equally, the only people who can turn things round are the eleven men on the pitch. So of course the onus is on them to play a bit better.
We were all pretty happy with a number of his team line ups, so I presume that comes down to the tactics. The problem is he seems in awe of the players and won't drop the star names. Trying to accommodate them all in the side. He needed to show courage and drop a player if it was better for the team. The players maybe needed to man up a bit as well. It is easy to just coast through games. They should be capable of changing a game, that is where a lack of a leader comes in.
He does after games, then in pre game press conferences seems to put the blame back onto the players. They should all take some blame.
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