May as well be a quote from every other press conference. He says the same thing every fecking week. I know its a small detail but he is just fecking cringeworthy to listen to.
Moyes So Far!
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Just watched his presser on SSN. He agreed with the question that from his outlook, it's just a minority against him, and that most United fans understand the long term rebuilding process.
Yes, he came out with that bullshit word again.
Yes, he came out with that bullshit word again.
For once, it'd be great to hear him explain how he's going to turn things around. I'm sick of hearing that so long as we keep doing what we're doing and working hard luck will turn for us. Its not down to bad luck we have been awful to watch this season and are deservedly in seventh.
Yeah. United definitely never 'wreck' other clubs fans heart by buying their star players.
Oh great, yet another coach for DeGea. I would actually keep Woods, he is the one coach coming out of this with credit. DeGea seems to like him as well.
Which is why fans at OT need to start booing the mofo during games.
I feel like they just copy and paste the same stuff everytime. Always we'll try to do better, Rooney comes out saying the defeat hurt and we have to do better, moyes saying we picked up some form after a win and are confident for the next big games, then an inevitable loss.
The much referred to Klopp interview posted yesterday (the interview is old though) is here again, for you lazy ones
4:22 is the juicy part
If we went for him, I think we'd get him
4:22 is the juicy part
If we went for him, I think we'd get him
Whats your point? He knows Steele and liked him too - ive got nothing against Woods and have not suggested he has done poorly. My reference to him leaving is down to his loyalty to Moyes. Most managers bring their own men in and i would expect the same would happen in the event Moyes leaves.
Players are looking to put things right. Again.
Watched that last night. He speaks enthusiasticly and his thoughts about attacking football are fantastic. Foremostly, he speaks like a winner.
This reminds me of BioWare when they were saying that only a 'small minority' of fans aren't happy with the ending of Mass Effect 3 despite that in their forum 92% voted that the ending is not acceptable and it had a rating of 2.8/10 on metacritics from users.
Mourinho tried before him, and failed miserably (although when you look at things now, you can get a different sense about what happened).
The board will first try to prove a point with Moyes (for a few years), and if/when he fails, then I think they will try to prove the same point, with somebody like Moyes. They're not going to go after an established manager imo.
I'm convinced that this is the only way to go now, if he truly believes he still has the backing of the fans he really is deluded.
If only.....
I think United need to make a club cultural shift away from the notion of the honest British manager. It served us tremendously up to the time Sir Alex retired but that old paradigm no longer applies.
I really don't understand how those responsible did not think about giving the players new impetus, the fresh challenge of playing for a new manager from European football.
There is an argument to be made that the players are a bit jaded from familiarity and Moyes simply reinforced it in the worst possible way by being the unimaginative choice, the supposedly solid British manager without the so called flaws of the 'fancy' European managers. As if successful German managers are in the wrong mould.
...and explains why some folk, rightly or wrongly, feel it necessary to fly a fecking plane around in front of him spelling it out. Mind you he's hardly going to come in and start saying "I think I've lost the fans yeh"
In Moyes' world, it's luck that wins you games. The football being staggeringly shit is nothing to him. Just need luck. LUCK. LUCK
I dont like that he talks so much about the players and their standards. Why not about his standards in regards to tactics, formation, training etc.
I could watch him talking about football all day long.
Some good points and I don't disagree with a lot of your sentiment .
The big gamble is that Moyes will never pull it together at the club, that is most certainly the case. .
The cost of the DM project could be huge, but you have to ask why a club would invest so much in a manager whom is not good enough? I genuinely think that the size of the job and the pressure has been something DM has struggled to get to gripes with. I also think that there are clearly things he could do better and some things he couldn't really of done to prevent. United is currently on a huge decline and its not easy to see how far things could go down before he could potentially turn things around . .
Yet, if I put on my business hat and look at risk v reward, I can only presume that the club is not supporting DM out of some misguided loyalty for SAF. You said yourself, the DM project could cost over 300mil if it fails. I just cannot believe that the club would invest so much in DM if he was as incompetent/incompatible as the team performances have suggested. .
People keep asking me how I could support DM when all visual evidence would suggest he just doesn't have what it takes to succeed. I do ask myself the same question sometimes, but I cant shake the feeling that there is more to come from DM and given the right chance to fix the wrongs of this season he can turn things around. I don't believe its blind faith, its trusting that he can fullfill the potential that SAF felt he had. He had no experience managing a top club and the reason I want to give him the summer to fix things is because I want to see what he is made of. I don't feel, for one reason or another, that he has been able to show us his capabilities. He is not a huge personality like Jose and was always going to work harder to prove to everybody (including players) that he could make the step up.
In my eyes, if we did not see ANY improvements next season and I would have my reservations. If DM brings in good players, then if he does not succeed at least he will be leaving the new manager with good players. Out of Fellani and Mata, it has to be accepted that one of those is most definitely world class while the jury is still out on the other. I expect more then a 50% success ratio this summer .
I imagine browsing Internet forums isn't part of his day job so I can see where his delusion comes from. The fact is that if it wasnt for the Internet we wouldn't really know how many were against him. The only the way of truly getting the message across is at the games.
Cringeworthy again.
Why does he spend so much time discussing next season? People are paying a lot of money, so why not worry about this season? Start showing you going to put it right.
We are going to lose to Bayern. I'm hoping we go out with a fight rather than showing no passion.
Why does he spend so much time discussing next season? People are paying a lot of money, so why not worry about this season? Start showing you going to put it right.
We are going to lose to Bayern. I'm hoping we go out with a fight rather than showing no passion.
It was another pointless presser in a long line of pointless pressers. This is a man under no pressure whatsoever from the board. His blasé and jovial cheery attitude to our diabolical season is absolutely infuriating.
"It's nothing to be worried about, we're rebuilding don't you know, you don't understand that because you're not football people". The man is an absolute pisstake. Rebuilding by finishing 7th or lower, aye good job foreman Moyes.
The players are not playing for you Moyes, wake up. Neither do they care what happens to you, their performances show that. There's a reason we have had the worst season in living memory. It's you.
Lets agree to disagree on that . .
I don't subscribe to the idea that an EPL manager should know the united squad inside out just because they managed in the same league!
Incidentally, if he had come in and gotten rid of 5 or 6 of the squad at the start, people would be calling him an idiot for radically changing a championship winning team. How could DM of known which players would perform for him and who would fit into his plans? Just look at Jose. . He got rid of chelseas two time player of the season because he didn't fit into his plans! Jose is also constantly whining about his striking options but he failed to get them sorted and nobody is making much of that fact.
Most managers need time to assess what they have and cannot just walk into jobs and make things work. Anyways, Ive said it consistently that its not really comparable comparing a squad of players who are used to regular managerial/player changes to a squad that's success was built by one man.
Actually shows how fickle fans really are . . they were relegation fodder when DM took over and they have thrown nothing but insults for him trying to move up in the world . .
Everton fans are acting like a hysterical wife throwing insults at their cheating husband . . I wouldn't be quoting them to add weight to your Moyes out argument . .
Wouldn't a wall of silence be better than booing Moyes? I still think booing and the like is not quite right for Red Devils at Old Trafford. Seems below Man United supporters.
This is simply not true. By and large most managers are handed a squad and told to make it work. Pep Mel hasn't been told by West Brom that its fine for them to go down so long as he assess the squad, likewise Felix Magath or our own Ole Solskjaer. Tim Sherwood won't get a chance to assess Spurs before Levy wields the axe. Tony Pulis turned Palace's season around with other peoples players. Pep, Ancelotti, Martino, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. are all competing for titles mostly with squads they, by and large, didn't build. In fact, there is no manager in world football who is given time to assess their squad before being judged.
Most managers go into jobs and are expected to get the best out of the squads they have. Was it Pochettino who bought Lallana, Rodgriguez and Lambert? You're holding Moyes to a different standard to frankly every other manager on earth. The whole country has since he got appointed.
Didn't play well? Give me a break. Annihilated by our two greatest rivals at Old Trafford in less than two weeks and it's always the same utterly appalling excuses. When you've taken a team of champions down to seventh place, have scored the same amount of goals at home as Cardiff and Fulham, and have a disgraceful record against the other teams in the top half of the table, there is something wrong that runs deeper than not playing well and being unlucky.
Completely inept manager, infecting the entire squad with mediocre, mid-table mentality and tactics. Please resign.
I agree . .
I do not understand booing your own team. Yeh it sends a message that you aren't happy, but passive aggression (silence) is a better alternative . .
Ooh FFS, They are having a fantastic season, playing some great football and have a chance of Champions League football, yet you think they're being hysterical.
Of course they have improved, the league table doesn't lie, and that's down to the new manager.
Good post, though not exactly a clear answer. Maybe because the clear answer is a bit terrifying, if we go with Moyes project and it fails with the cost of it around 300m then we will need to spend the next decade trying to recuperate. With no guarantee that we will in the end. Sounds familiar?
I don't agree with the last paragraph. I don't think that the jury is still out on Fellaini, the jury was never in for him. Similar to how Young, Downing, Carroll etc had never a chance to succedd in their clubs. Because they aren't good enough. We can mask this and hope for the impossible become possible, but Fellaini won't ever become good for us. The other problem is that while Moyes may sign some good players (everybody can to be fair with a lot of money) there is no guarantee whatsoever that the new manager will want those players. Especially when those players play mostly in the same positions. We had 3 great/excellent/potentially excellent No.10 and Moyes signed another world class No.10. It made no sense. A player who fancy plays in short passing when he completely play hoof the ball football. Only 5 months after we signed a hoof the ball to him footballer.
Another point is that you say that you don't believe in blind faith but trust that he can fullfill the potential that SAF felt he had. Is like a theist saying that he doesn't believe in blind faith on god, but believes because of the scriptures of holy books. Believing on SAF opinion, when anything else (not only now, but from the beginning) screamed that Moyes will be a disaster is the definition of blind faith.
The only point that I may agree (although you never said it clearly) is that there will be improvements next season. (Of course this part is entirely my opinion, although right now have been pretty correct on my predictions): Best case scenario: third-fourth place while being more than 10 points below the champion. Realistic scenario: Europa league zone. That will be a significant improvement on this year's results. Unfortunately it will also be Moyes' ceiling and not good enough for the most of United fans. Would be proclaimed the new prophet from a few others though.
Our club has always been after "raising talent" rather than "buying established talent", especially when it comes to SAF. They have done this a lot in the player signings, particularly in the last few seasons. We gambled on many young players, but the matter of fact, most of them didn't really come off.
We hit the jackpot once with a player (Ronaldo), but, that does not mean that we have been right in our intuitions about talent and potential in even close to 50% of the time. So it might not be a stretch to think that the club may have very well got it wrong here.
And while this might be a worthy exercise when you're signing players, I think it will be very costly for the club if they tried it with managers, especially if they're going to give every one of them 3+ years to manage the club, until they find the right one, among the un-tried ones.
Remind me how frequently those club change managers ? Remind me how much control and input the previous manager had in the club? Remind me what is expected of incoming managers of these clubs? Are they expected to coach or completely run a club?
I am holding Moyes to a completely different standard because he wasn't hired in the conventional sense to simply come in and work with what you have . . People cannot say "we should of chosen Jose" and then ignore the fact that the DM appointment was not comparable with coach's hired just to work with what they have . .
This is what I don't like, he comes out and says he is taking the blame, yet squarely puts the blame on the players for letting their standards drop.
We can perfectly compare SAF/Moyes situation with Moyes/Martinez situation though. If Martinez would have done a Moyes he would have been moaning that he doesn't know players while Everton would be rotting on the last position on the table.
Is anything of what he said wrong? Instead of insulting somebody just for attacking Moyes, try to read what he said, and reply to it.
Besides, I have seen some pro-Moyes fans here quote even rival fans (and pundits) just to add weight to their argument.
So we're turning a corner (again) bouncing back (again) against f**king Aston Villa....
Just a minority against him.....Smug!
Just a minority against him.....Smug!
This thing about raising talent. Every year the next big thing gets touted by fans, yet why do very few of them come through. Are we overrating our kids after watching them against other kids. Maybe our youth system and youth scouting is not as good as we all think. The odd one comes through. I know class of 92 was a freak, but I would have expected more. Maybe Moyes did as well.
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