Moyes So Far!

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Fergie won the League last season, so he had to be doin something right. Oh yeah - he signed RVP!

He did that. And he clearly got a thing or two right beyond that too. There are more ways than one to be successful in football. Verheijen is an arrogant twat whose criticism is completely one-sided. And he seems obsessed with discrediting anything United are up to - regardless of who is in charge.
 
Moyes could well be the most knowledgeable coach in football. However, if the players are not responding to his coaching, instructions, man management he's pretty much in trouble.
 
Fergie won the League last season, so he had to be doin something right. Oh yeah - he signed RVP!
And in the league last season, we scored 86 goals and RVP didn't score all of them single-handedly (he got 26). A phenomenal achievement, but maybe the rest of the squad deserve some credit for that too and the other 60.
 
He did that. And he clearly got a thing or two right beyond that too. There are more ways than one to be successful in football. Verheijen is an arrogant twat whose criticism is completely one-sided. And he seems obsessed with discrediting anything United are up to - regardless of who is in charge.

Totally agree, but i always find using a Rambo knife is the best way to skin a cat. The fur just skims off like butter on a hot knife!

I dont know the guy, but gauging from the comments on here - he's the type of guy that you'd stick the boot in his bollox to break in a brand new pair of steel toe-cap boots!
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.

Fulham.

Couldn't have been any more obvious that he has absolutely no tactical acumen.

A compete bastardisation of the 'United way'.
 
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Ah no..I'm all for a good Moyes bashing and getting him out of here ASAP but, this plane thing is on another level of lunacy :lol:

Sure we've feck all else to keep us entertained for the duration of the season - it would be rude not too to be honest...

The plane thing is funny as feck & it'll gain some amount of coverage. If i had the money, i'd do the same, but with:

"Hey Moyesy - i'm riding yer wife right now - she's one dorrrrrty bitch eh?"
 
True that :cool:

I dont know the exact stats, but i think RVP got a shit-load of winners though man..

You're right, and Hernandez got a few too. But it annoys me when people say RVP won us the title, like he did it on his own. We weren't very far off when City won it and in truth, we threw it away, dropping points against Wigan and Everton. Without RVP and Vidic that season. RVP was outstanding but we actually had many goalscorers (and quite a few OGs) and who created these chances?
 
You're right, and Hernandez got a few too. But it annoys me when people say RVP won us the title, like he did it on his own. We weren't very far off when City won it and in truth, we threw it away, dropping points against Wigan and Everton. Without RVP and Vidic that season. RVP was outstanding but we actually had many goalscorers (and quite a few OGs) and who created these chances?

:lol: I remember that.

On our list of top scorers that season we had "OG" in the top 3 at one stage. Hilarious altogether!

Jesus, i can recall defending us about being awarded OG's - "we put the ball in the danger zone & defenders had to make some kind of contact or one of our players would have - so it would have been a goal anyway.." :lol:
 
:lol: I remember that.

On our list of top scorers that season we had "OG" in the top 3 at one stage. Hilarious altogether!

Jesus, i can recall defending us about being awarded OG's - "we put the ball in the danger zone & defenders had to make some kind of contact or one of our players would have - so it would have been a goal anyway.." :lol:
Should have got some OG United shirts with an unused number on them....
 
I think Moyes could be guilty of wanting to be proven right and sacrificing much needed improvements to how we approach games as a result. It is striking just how many times, despite it rarely working and the examples of how a deviation has shown to lead to more fruitful outcomes, he immediately reverts to type. Is it that he is blind to the problems or is that he's just determined to do this his way? I think he lacks two important qualities; pragmatism and the awareness of his own limitations. Maybe he sees each as a weakness. Whereas one manager may accept that things aren't working and change course or acknowledge his own particular weaknesses in certain areas and take action to compensate for that, maybe Moyes find it hard to do either.

My methods don't work? Bull, I'll try them again and again until one day they do

My limitations as manager? Nonsense, I'm a top coach and I can manage this team even with a backroom staff complete novices at coaching either at this level or at coaching full stop.

If he was a bit more pragmatic and maybe a bit more aware of the skills-set required to manage this club then we may see a more dynamic awareness of our tactical flaws and a coaching staff that reflected someone conscious of their own inexperience at this level.
 
From Pete Molyneux - the man who held up the infamous Fergie banner, courtesy of the Guardian;

I do know results and performances are dreadful at the moment, well below what we expect and demand at United. But managers need two vital commodities to mould their own team - time and resources. Neither should be limitless but eight months is a ludicrously short period. United must give Moyes the summer to clear out the players he now knows can't, or won't, play for him and bring in suitable replacements.

Sure, he inherited the champions but that team was in need of regeneration, particularly in midfield. The Fergie factor and Robin van Persie's goals snatched back our title last season, but the team has gone backwards since we ruled England, Europe and the World in 2008. The loss of Cristiano Ronaldo, Carlos Tevez and Owen Hargreaves and the diminishing powers of Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs have been filled with potential rather than top-class talent. Perhaps Fergie knew Moyes would need to rebuild, hence the six year contract.

Moyes deserves another season before we start tearing down the citadel. So to those guys who are hung up about the banner and those considering Planespotting, I say choose class. Forget the gimmicks. If Moyes doesn't make progress then in 12 months I'm happy to waste another bed-sheet and half a can of black paint but let's see what he does first, eh?
 
Spurs defeat at home. We were sort of keeping up with the teams above us after Xmas but there was just no urgency from our players and inspiration from the touch line was non-existent. Traditonally we would be starting to put a run together but it kept on faltering after that. Plus it was yet another home defeat which just encouraged every team we were vulnerable at OT. Beginning of the end.

Newcastle at home, yes that early, the signs were there in previous matches that the players were having none of it, in that match though, with about 30 mins left you expected the siege, what transpired in my view is everything you are witnessing now and it will not change, no matter who is signed. The attacking winning mentality is gone. You have to be realistic here too on signings, in the Summer just past, while we were still a Champion team and heading into the CL, we were meant to be looking at fabregas, bale, ronaldo etc, get any of them? No chance. Now moving on from our stature then how attractive are we now to any impressionable young footballer with an agent in their ear, no CL football, and the joke of Europe, what player of any note in their right mind would come here. If Moyes is left in charge expect signings, third rate signings.
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.
Never wanted him in the first place, but the turning point where I really want him gone is his interview after Newcastle when he came out with the "make it difficult for them" remark. :mad:
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.
Stoke game where the last shred of optimism in me after signing Mata has eradicated.
 
Fulham for me. Ridiculous approach. Cross after cross without changing anything despite the approach not working.

His aspire comment after the City game...that's the straw that broke the camels back for me..he has no fecking clue what it is to be a Utd manager....seriously needs to feck of already....I really don't want him bringing his own players in....scary thought.
 
His aspire comment after the City game...that's the straw that broke the camels back for me..he has no fecking clue what it is to be a Utd manager....seriously needs to feck of already....I really don't want him bringing his own players in....scary thought.

I didnt want him to bring his own staff in more importantly... There lies the nucleus of the problem. McDonalds Staff working for a Michelin Star Restaurant!
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.
Olympiacos away. Team reaction after going 2-0 down. Team reaction after the game (interviews). Tactics during the game. Result...

Made me conclude with little doubt that Moyes has no control over the team, is a very poor motivator, don't know much about tactics and have no clear plan about to correct the situation.
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.


81 crosses

Feck me. that's fecking shameful and disgusting.

Ditto this.

82 crosses against Fulham showed his tactical and technical ineptitude that will never be fixed considering his 10+ years already in the PL, that game showed in super-liminal black&white colours proof that his coaching will never work out here, at best we'll be spinning our wheels for a good couple of years, its just how long we let this s**t continue and try to mask the problem by throw money at it before those who championed Moyes realise it all starts from his prehistoric coaching.
 
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I saw a good point from someone on twitter earlier, for those who keep saying give him another transfer window and then if it's not working come xmas get rid. The point this lad made, which is another good reason to sack him as soon as possible, is the fact that the managers who we should be looking at to come in could be on the move this summer, and by the time we sack him they won't be open to coming. Klopp and van Gaal especially could both be in new jobs in the summer.

Putting off this decision could take years to recover from, someone at United should be in touch with Klopp, get a verbal agreement and tell him how much he'll have to spend if he comes, and tell him to start preparing his transfer targets so we can get them done early.
 
I saw a good point from someone on twitter earlier, for those who keep saying give him another transfer window and then if it's not working come xmas get rid. The point this lad made, which is another good reason to sack him as soon as possible, is the fact that the managers who we should be looking at to come in could be on the move this summer, and by the time we sack him they won't be open to coming. Klopp and van Gaal especially could both be in new jobs in the summer.

Putting off this decision could take years to recover from, someone at United should be in touch with Klopp, get a verbal agreement and tell him how much he'll have to spend if he comes, and tell him to start preparing his transfer targets so we can get them done early.
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Agreed in general on the time side of it, christmas is such an arbitrary time to can someone - likely means you'll spend the rest of the season with an interim which has its own dangers, and means you've given someone only a few extra months and let them spend a transfer window's worth of money on players for their own system. If he's still here come the end of May, I'll be resigned to another full season or thereabouts. I keep getting worried that Arsenal will finally part with Wenger this summer and tempt Klopp over, that would really suck.
 
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Agreed in general on the time side of it, christmas is such an arbitrary time to can someone - likely means you'll spend the rest of the season with an interim which has its own dangers, and means you've given someone only a few extra months and let them spend a transfer window's worth of money on players for their own system. If he's still here come the end of May, I'll be resigned to another full season or thereabouts. I keep getting worried that Arsenal will finally part with Wenger this summer and tempt Klopp over, that would really suck.

Yeah, that would be the worst case scenario. Ofcourse fergie could always return as interim :drool:
 
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?

Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.

I don't even remember when he lost me the first time to be honest. I have been losing trust in him and then getting a flicker of hope on a game-by-game basis. But I feel the Everton and Newcastle defeats started ringing the alarm bells. And I do understand that what he says to the camera is hardly consequential, yet the way he said we will try and make it hard for Newcastle at OT really made me cringe.

Latest, I feel was the awful tactical way we set up against Liverpool at OT that almost made me certain of how poor tactically he is. It's not even that he is an up and coming new manager still getting to terms with how to set up teams with formations. He is a veteran and he was awful. I could see how they were tearing up our midfield from my armchair and he could not from the sidelines. It was seriously painful.
 
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