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Moyes So Far!
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What a dickhead.
I gave you all excitement, elation and ecstasy for five minutes. Again, I apologise. What a thread that will be though. 
No need for that, genuine mistake. Clown.
Out of curiosity, what was your source? Did some reputable get drawn in too?I gave you all excitement, elation and ecstasy for five minutes. Again, I apologise. What a thread that will be though.
I got a text then I saw a Paddy Power account had tweeted it, then I was duped by a fake Mark Ogden account.
The perfect storm.
Let's just spunk all we can at Klopp. I just watched that video and he is the most outstanding human being on the planet.
I saw that post and my excitement went through the roof, it'd be like winning a trophy.
If it were true, there will be hope at least for the next two three games... win against Villa, put up a good fight in Europe...
Anyone taking over would get us better result/performance.
It's funny when people have talked before about the whole Moyes/Fergie thing, and about how we've come to realise that beyond being Scotsmen, there's not too much that's similar between them.
Looking at Klopp, he seems like someone who resembles Fergie a lot more. Took over a club respectably sized in their country (Dortmund/Aberdeen) and was able to win some league titles ahead of the countries traditionally biggest club/s (Bayern/Celtic/Rangers), while playing exciting football with innovative ideas, and making an impact in Europe. Obviously Dortmund are bigger than Aberdeen, even though Scottish football wasn't as awful then as it is now, but the comparisons for Klopp/Fergie are much better than the ones for Moyes/Fergie. I think he'd be perfect, but I just don't see him leaving Dortmund for us in our current state.
I think managers can view things far more long term than players (in the longevity sense at least), so a season outside the champions league isn't quite as daunting as it would be for a player in their prime. The fact we're not currently as good in squad terms is obviously a problem, but I think it's also fair to say we have greater potential in the long term due to money and the club's pull (and lack of Bayern-ness). I'd never assume he would take it as Dortmund are a great side, and he's safe in one of the best jobs in europe if he stays. But, I'd like to think he'd be interested in being able to create a legacy here, and we'd be royally thick not to make every possible effort to get him here if he does.
Better than some of our title wins for me.
If we throw money at him then I think now would be the perfect time to get him. And I don't just mean throw money at him in the sense of filling his pockets, but by also promising him what he needs to improve the squad etc.
There is far less pressure for him (or anyone that follows Moyes, really). As depressing as it is, Realistically our aim for next season should be to get back into the top 4 and get us playing some proper football, which is definitely achievable providing we change the manager and strengthen our first team in the right areas. I wouldn't be convinced we could get it with we stick with Moyes.
We would also still have pulling power for some top players, we won't lose that straight away, and I'm sure he could easily raid Dortmund to bring the best with him. Again, are top players really going to want to play for David Moyes next season the more his reputation and our club's unravels?
TBF, we are yet to see why fergie choose him as his successor. But I think it would be very naive to assume that being scottish is the main reason behind the appointment. If Moyes turns it around, we can acknowledge why he was chosen but if he fails it will be the biggest unsolved mystery in the clubs recent history.
The comparisons between Fergie at Aberdeen and Moyes at Everon are a non-starter. Can you imagine Fergie (the man who tore into his Aberdeen side after winning a cup final) settling into the cosy high salary, low expectation comfort zone Moyes had with Kenwright for many years?
I'd like to think he's the sort of man who'd be interested in the challenge and would want to create a legacy, but if he's interested in that then what's to suggest he won't just stay at Dortmund and do it there? Obviously he may have more to spend here, but he's already shown he can win stuff there and he may decide to build his legacy there and aim for the CL. I'd love him here, but if he's willing to come here to create a legacy, then he might be willing to stay there and cement one.
It's not the only reason; I imagine longevity was another major one, but I get the impression the being Scottish was part of it, and Fergie saw himself in Moyes when there isn't all that much that's similar. While it'd seem strange, Fergie's messed up the occasional signing so it would hardly be beyond him to do the same with the manager, especially when you consider that Busby did.
Out of interest, if Moyes had been a Spaniard and had achieved identically to how he did at Everton with, say, a club like Villarreal or Bilbao, do you think he'd have gotten the job here?
Exactly, and it's why I find the Moyes appointment so strange. Part of me thinks Fergie saw similarities that just weren't there.
Don't do that again unless it's true. It's so cruel and depressing to find out that it's false.
Been wanting to hear that since the very day he was hired, but my brief moment of elation was followed by a rapid drop back to reality.
When the day of his sacking does come I aim to enjoy a flat out, full blown celebration and keep that feeling of elation deep within me for a long, long time.
By the way...anyone know how much it will cost us to sack him?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/home-record.html
That's bad. Really bad. Manchester United with 0 goal difference at home and managing 1 more point than Crystal palace and 2 more points than Cardiff City.
That's bad. Really bad. Manchester United with 0 goal difference at home and managing 1 more point than Crystal palace and 2 more points than Cardiff City.
The contract is private so no one knows. In light of the fact that we will most likely fall short of any target that could have conceivably been included in his contract (barring CL miracles), I would be surprised if it was more than one year's salary. Even if he does have a better arrangement which requires a negotiated settlement, it would stop when he finds a new job. And, despite the disaster of the last 8 months, he will easily find a decent premier league job as he is good manager for the right club.
No one knows for sure, but he's on something like 5 million a year.
It's true, but he has to do it with one hand tied behind his back there given the Bayern behemoth. As I said, I've never assumed him to be easy to snare, just that we should do everything possible to lure him over. 50/50 in my eyes. I think he'd win a couple of european cups here if he came. But I wouldn't begrudge him at all for wanting to do a Wenger at Dortmund.
He saw what he wanted to see. You can't blame him for it. People get older, they get more nostalgic, Fergie wanted to believe there was another 'him' who would take forward his legacy. Against cold hard facts he let sentiment and hopefulness cloud his judgement. He's a romantic, wouldn't be the first time, its part of why we love him.
Moyes has nothing in common with Sir Alex besides being Scottish and being hard working. Its quite clear that Moyes puts in a lot of effort but as he's working at the wrong things it doesn't matter. He lacks Sir Alex's charisma, Sir Alex's gift of understanding players' thinking, Sir Alex's grasp of Man Utd and what it means. Moyes is honest, to a fault, and he's not failing deliberately. He's just not suited for this level.
There's definitely a performance-related clause which would see him leave with less. Failure to achieve CL football would definitely be one.
Of all the things I can assume or accuse fergie of for the Moyes debacle, old age,senility and sentiment would be last on my list. He was our manager not long ago and was very well aware of what his job demands. He has built several squads during his career and has never been the sort to look back in terms of sentiment and emotion. He was ruthless, what makes you think he did a 360 when it came to making such a huge decision? Given his age, fergie must have been thinking about his successor for a long time before deciding on Moyes. Like us fans, I do not think fergie expected such a steep fall in performance levels after his departure.
Ingenious
If Moyes is fired I'll be honest and say I don't think I could demonstrate the same cautious optimism or patience for the next manager as I have Moyes. I'd want to see an immediate improvement. Even Atkinson's side played with a swagger.
It's everyones fault but Moyes though, apparently.
Bunch of tools, but there's clearly a tide turning after those Liverpool and City games. Getting shit on 0-3 by both of them at home was always going to cause a feck load of uproar.
Let's be honest, its pretty much guranteed you would see an immediate improvement.
I'd imagine we will know for sure once its mathematically impossible to get fourth.
Just wonder if the Glazers will activate it? I'm beginning to think he will get that money to spend in the summer and I'm no longer convinced he should.
Quick question for you all: When did Moyes lose you, if he has that is?
Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.
Breaking point for me was City and post-match comments. He just looks broken.
As early as the Stoke game, but the comments after the City game was the final nail.
Didn't want him from the start, but after he took over I was prepared to give him time (to win me over rather then me lose him). Never really got close to convincing me he was the right man, and the decisive point were the back to back home defeats at the start of December to Everton and Newcastle, especially after Newcastle. You'd expect a reaction after losing 1-0 at Old Trafford, but that Newcastle game was one of the worse games I've ever seen from United. No heart, no fight, thoroughly out played in our own backyard by a regular mid table team, and not for the first time this season.
I think for many fans (probably myself included) he never quite 'had' us. He was starting from a precarious position and this season has him hanging on for dear life.
I'd been on the fence since new year, Mata had given me a bit of optimism which had withered away soon enough. Liverpool was when I crossed the Rubicon, as it were.
I agree with all the animosity with Moyes & the team, but i dont know what folk were expecting against City. They are miles ahead of us in terms of form, so gettin beat by them shouldnt have been a surprise & folk shouldnt be acting like that result was the straw that broke the camels back - because the camel was in a feckin wheelchair anyway...
Newcastle. You'd think there would be some reaction to the Everton match, in which we were a little unlucky. There was nothing. The team was dead, totally lacking in ideas.
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