Moyes So Far!

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Kag said:
A player revolt with the support fully behind the players that brought them joy simply must happen now. Force the change.

I'm actively starting to dislike the bloke. He's banging on about rebuilding again. He was given a championship-winning team, full of great guys, full of winners, and has met this challenge like an absolute baby. He's played the blame game from the first day, whether it be fixtures, media or playing squad.

When he's an old man I'd like to think he'd regret the arrogant way in which he's met this challenge. Had he accepted it with some bollocks, with outward excitement, with an appreciation of what he had to work with instead of glum pessimism, perhaps things may have been different. Had he had the self-awareness to acknowledge what the club is all about and looked to change his Everton-like approach into a more progressive one, perhaps with the help of somebody a little more tactical, instead of his brick-wall pals then, again, it could have been so different.

Either way, he stays and we spend money, we might finish fourth, but he'll still be a loser and we'll just be delaying the inevitable.
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I doubt he'd take us to 4th even if he splashes 100m, he'd probably claim it's an immense improvement to go from 7th (or 8th) this season to 5th next season. :(
 
Kag said:
A player revolt with the support fully behind the players that brought them joy simply must happen now. Force the change.

I'm actively starting to dislike the bloke. He's banging on about rebuilding again. He was given a championship-winning team, full of great guys, full of winners, and has met this challenge like an absolute baby. He's played the blame game from the first day, whether it be fixtures, media or playing squad.

When he's an old man I'd like to think he'd regret the arrogant way in which he's met this challenge. Had he accepted it with some bollocks, with outward excitement, with an appreciation of what he had to work with instead of glum pessimism, perhaps things may have been different. Had he had the self-awareness to acknowledge what the club is all about and looked to change his Everton-like approach into a more progressive one, perhaps with the help of somebody a little more tactical, instead of his brick-wall pals then, again, it could have been so different.

Either way, he stays and we spend money, we might finish fourth, but he'll still be a loser and we'll just be delaying the inevitable.
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I think the Players would love to see him go, they're not revolting, but I don't think anyone would be sad if he's leaving

There's only 2 person that needs to support this (SAF and Bobby), once you get this 2, the rest will just a push of button away
 
Kag said:
A player revolt with the support fully behind the players that brought them joy simply must happen now. Force the change.

I'm actively starting to dislike the bloke. He's banging on about rebuilding again. He was given a championship-winning team, full of great guys, full of winners, and has met this challenge like an absolute baby. He's played the blame game from the first day, whether it be fixtures, media or playing squad.

When he's an old man I'd like to think he'd regret the arrogant way in which he's met this challenge. Had he accepted it with some bollocks, with outward excitement, with an appreciation of what he had to work with instead of glum pessimism, perhaps things may have been different. Had he had the self-awareness to acknowledge what the club is all about and looked to change his Everton-like approach into a more progressive one, perhaps with the help of somebody a little more tactical, instead of his brick-wall pals then, again, it could have been so different.

Either way, he stays and we spend money, we might finish fourth, but he'll still be a loser and we'll just be delaying the inevitable.
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Looking at the comments from every player, a player revolt seems out of the question. Every player including rooney,rvp,fletcher,evra etc have come out saying we haven't been good enough this season and we need to improve on that. Maybe it seemed a possibility after the Olympiakos defeat but now it just seems that players have accepted Moyes as their future and are slowly beginning to get to grips with the reality.
 
entropy said:
Looking at the comments from every player, a player revolt seems out of the question. Every player including rooney,rvp,fletcher,evra etc have come out saying we haven't been good enough this season and we need to improve on that. Maybe it seemed a possibility after the Olympiakos defeat but now it just seems that players have accepted Moyes as their future and are slowly beginning to get to grips with the reality.
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Not just the way the players have spoken, but I just don't ever see a Chelsea like situation happening here where the players force the manager out. Not with SAF/SBC still around. I am sure most of these players would be too scared to even try something like that knowing fully well that SAF is backing Moyes.

Moreover, if it does come down to it, I think these players are smart enough and get their stories leaked through various outlets available to them. No point in doing it openly when an anonymous "source" to a journalist can do the same.
 
Cal? said:
I doubt he'd take us to 4th even if he splashes 100m, he'd probably claim it's an immense improvement to go from 7th (or 8th) this season to 5th next season. :(
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I can see him using the "With so many new players it takes time to bed them in" excuse for the frst half of the year, no doubt the British press will echo the same s*** with their pro-British agenda, Jesus I need a drink.
 
He'll say we're "rebuilding" until the off-chance we might actually get good. Until then, we'll still be rebuilding, rebuilding and rebuilding.
 
Told you to ignore keegan and Jackson.

Then, within hours, one of the journos i said to take note of goes big on a player revolt. Ogden was the one to break saf retirement although that's more down to a few mistakes from the other Manchester regulars.
 
Kag said:
He'll say we're "rebuilding" until the off-chance we might actually get good. Until then, we'll still be rebuilding, rebuilding and rebuilding.
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Exactly. Taking the same squad, signing Fellaini and Mata and also getting Januzaj is NOT rebuilding. It hasn't even started yet, and already he's dropped us two-three levels.
 
Amir said:
Exactly. Taking the same squad, signing Fellaini and Mata and also getting Januzaj is NOT rebuilding. It hasn't even started yet, and already he's dropped us two-three levels.
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Indeed. We needed a good midfielder when he arrived, probably two. A new left back to replace or compete with Evra, too. Infact, given that's what he targeted throughout the Summer that's all he thought he need. Only when, and I blame him and his coaching staff for this, we started to play like a pack of turds did we begin to read the narrative that half of the squad needed to be sold.

People can whinge about Rio and Vidic leaving, but they were replaced with Smalling and Jones, £30 million worth of the best British defensive talent on show. It was up to him to play them regularly at centre half, in a way that Ferguson did not. The only part of the side that needed a genuine "rebuild," and we're only talking spending a big fee on somebody proven, was the midfield. That's it.
 
Jesus, can somebody explain to me again why we got Moyes and Baryern got Pep?
 
adexkola said:
Wow, wasn't expecting @Pogue Mahone to crack.

On the game, we got rattled by the early goal... shit like that happens. After the first 10 minutes we actually were on top until half time. If both teams could finish properly the score would have been 2-2 at the break. The first 15 minutes after half time was a kick in the groin, and despite the substitutions, we never had a chance, and that is what hurts. Rafael was our best attacker. Rooney kept spraying the ball out wide. Mata was anonymous. Fellaini huffed and puffed when he wasn't assaulting City players. Ferdinand was a disgrace. Biggest of all, Moyes wasn't able to make the best of the situation, come up with a plan to get at City in the second half. All credit to City, they're a step behind the best in Europe, but they have the makings of a fantastic side, and the synergy of their understanding shows. Like it or not, it will take time before Moyes (or another manager) can get us to play like that. And 9 times of 10, the better side on paper wins. We looked just as helpless against City this time 2 years ago.

Going forward? Regarding Moyes... Well this won't do forever. I don't think Moyes should be sacked based on this game alone (come at me 'tards). He hasn't been decent this season, and that is putting it lightly. However if he was going to be sacked, it would have been against Fulham, or Olympiakos first leg, or Liverpool. He wasn't sacked. Ferguson and Charlton are all for giving him time, and since when have the Glazers ever given a flying feck about fans protesting or throwing their toys out the pram? (Remember their takeover, GnG?) So he will have time to rectify that. Do I think he should stay? I'm on the fence. I'm against sacking based on isolated events. If they have a long term plan I want them to stick to the plan. I don't want them to be knee jerky like Abrahamovic. If they manage to grab Klopp, by all means, with the best of wishes, let Moyes go. But bar the best, keep him, until it is absolutely sure we are going nowhere with him. I don't think we have reached that point, maybe if we're playing like this in December, then I will book a ticket to Manchester and bring a big fuck off "Moyes Out" sign to Old Trafford. You can quote that. And I don't want the manager position to be a revolving door for the next few years, we don't have a Bayern like structure that allows for such changes. And fuck Mourinho, he assaults people.

The players? Half of them have been an utter disgrace. Fuck 'em. They've won trophies in the past, but they're getting paid millions to perform a basic job. Ferdinand. Evra. Valencia. Young. Carrick. And Vidic, RVP to some extent. They've let the manager down, they've let the fans down, they've let the younger players down, the new signings they've let down. Carrick's spineless form shying away from tackles, Evra jogging back to defense, Ferdinand half arsing himself through games, Valencia and Young's aversion to anything other than crossing. Our captain's mind is in Milan, and RVP until the last few games moping around because his daddy retired. It was the same last season, but no one said anything because we were winning, and apparently that's all that matters. Of course not, we were carried to the title by RVP and Carrick, and now that they've regressed, we're playing poorly. Shock horror. Regardless of what happens to Moyes, I wouldn't mind if every last one of those players I mentioned left the club at the end of the season. I feel horrible saying all that, but it's the truth. They have been cowards. They have not played like Manchester United players. For that they deserve ire and reproach. Fuck em.

DDG, Rooney have been great this season. Januzaj has shown promise. The young defenders will grow into their roles with time. Cleverley can still turn it around hopefully. Kagawa and Mata have the makings of a great platonic relationship on the pitch. Fellaini has gotten lots of stick, but we haven't seen his best IMO. Nani needs to stop getting injured. The makings of a great side are here. With or without Moyes their talent will eventually yield fruit. Hopefully it is sooner than later.

The match going fans, both home and away? They have been awesome all season. All credit to them, I don't see many bandwagoners amongst them. Hopefully they continue to support the team, and try and give us the extra boost. No one is asking for Moyes songs, but they've done a great song supporting the team despite the frustration with Moyes. The fan who accosted SAF... what an idiot. After all he has done for the club. Go away.

The fans on here? Great discussions, a lot of reasoned people on both sides of the argument, but I've had to take personal breaks from the caf because several Dementors keep on sapping the spirit out of this place after every damned loss, and every rickety win. The signs were there after the infamous loss to Basel, that any prolonged period not spent at the top would make this place annoying, but wow, I never expected it to be as bad as this. Hoping for severe beatings at the hands of City and Liverpool, asking match going fans to boo the team, invading the "Support David Moyes thread"... On twitter and facebook it's even worse, no wonder we get a bad rep as bandwagoners. I feel awful for the mods, goodness knows how worse the newbies must be. I had a newb PM me, accusing me of sucking Moyes off. I love you all, but damn all of you to hell. I think I'll do a Plech and take the summer off from the Caf

Rant over
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Good post and on balance I still pretty much agree with this though each loss is chipping away at me to the point that now I am almost at the point where I dont think he can turn it around, just because we should be seeing something, some small signs of encouragement, by now, and we're not. That is really worrying.

But I think the bit in bold is wrong. Actually last season we looked seriously disjointed and it is wrong to say nobody said anything about it, it was discussed to death, people could hardly believe the position we were in because we really didnt look very good last season at all. Actually we looked a bit like we have this season with the biggest difference being we managed to win games while not playing particularly well, whereas this year we have drawn or lost games playing at a similar level. We were the same disjointed side but with a few more goals, basically.
 
Eieiei, like SAF never ever make mistakes with signings.
And his usual self, always so tolerable before giving up on his choice.
 
Almost time to boot Moyes now. After Bayern defeat will be perfect. Early new appointment will allow for better prep for next season.
 
mamboza said:
Almost time to boot Moyes now. After Bayern defeat will be perfect. Early new appointment will allow for better prep for next season.
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Agreed. One of the first things that bugged me about Moyes was that he did not start the job until the 1st July. He spent all June on holiday. Meanwhile City had appointed Pellegrini and announced transfers as soon as the window opened.

Wouldn't you think that someone getting a massive promotion into the biggest job in football would have wanted to get his teeth into the job straight away? And wouldn't you think that someone who professes to know everything about football would know that United desperately needed strengthening in midfield and that that should be his main priority ?
 
It only has just dawned on me that Moyes left his old club who were 26 points behind United last season, and now he has taken the champions to 6 points below with a game in hand possibly leading to 9. That is just not right.
 
Kag said:
He'll say we're "rebuilding" until the off-chance we might actually get good. Until then, we'll still be rebuilding, rebuilding and rebuilding.
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You half-jest but the following is all-too possible:

Six years on, we'll get a new manager who succeeds right away.

And Moyes will turn to his group and say "It was all the good rebuilding groundwork we laid over those seventy months. It was a job well done, lads. A job well done indeed."
 
People actually think he'll be sacked this season?

This isn't even a support Moyes thing, but I hope you're aware there's no chance, no chance at all. This time next year is a lot more possible though, if things stay as they are.
 
Tomalonge said:
People actually think he'll be sacked this season?

This isn't even a support Moyes thing, but I hope you're aware there's no chance, no chance at all. This time next year is a lot more possible though, if things stay as they are.
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You know this how? Are you one of the Glazers?
 
entropy said:
Looking at the comments from every player, a player revolt seems out of the question. Every player including rooney,rvp,fletcher,evra etc have come out saying we haven't been good enough this season and we need to improve on that. Maybe it seemed a possibility after the Olympiakos defeat but now it just seems that players have accepted Moyes as their future and are slowly beginning to get to grips with the reality.
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I think the players understand the reality that whoever is managing United being seen as a stroppy bugger, who tried to ruin his manager, is not a good idea.
 
Tomalonge said:
People actually think he'll be sacked this season?

This isn't even a support Moyes thing, but I hope you're aware there's no chance, no chance at all. This time next year is a lot more possible though, if things stay as they are.
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If it takes until this time next year to sack him, assuming things "stay as they are", then the board, as well as Fergie and Charlton, have completely failed their club. I can understand the view that he'll be given the full season no matter what - even though earlier in the season I claimed that finishing outside of the top 4 would get him sacked for sure (and that I didn't see any way we could finish outside of the top 4) - but surely it will only take a few weeks into the new season if we haven't improved from now.
 
Cal? said:
You know this how? Are you one of the Glazers?
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The unanimous support he is getting from old club players, no noise from the board at all about moves for replacements and most important of all, Fergie and Charlton giving vocal support. We don't know for certain what their plans are, but I myself am confident he will remain here until at least the winter, no matter how we end this season now.
 


What a great interview. This man has an aura and football philosophy that Moyes could never even dream of having. This man is everything Moyes is not
 
Jesus christ what I would do to have van Gaal or Klopp as our manager. I mean, I'd love for Moyes to succeed and I'd love to be confident in his future here. However, I just can't see that he has what it takes, tactically to take us to the next level. (Or even back to our previous level for that matter)
 
Red Shorts said:
The unanimous support he is getting from old club players, nose from the board at all about moves for replacements and most important of all, Fergie and Charlton giving vocal support. We don't know for certain what their plans are, but I myself am confident he will remain here until at least the winter, no matter how we end this season now.
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Where the hell are the Glazers when we need them? :mad:
 
We had no murmurs or suggestions from the club, the manager or board that Ferguson was going to retire, it was just announced right out of the blue. We were also shrouded in secrecy right up until Moyes was appointed, if the club wants its private matters private thats what they remain.
You would imagine Moyes position has been discussed and the club has chosen a stance (sensibly) to publicly back him, all contrary to what decisions have actually been taken, Moyes, Charlton, Keane, Cantona and a whole host of legends all coming public regarding the boards backing of the manager and all in the same time frame ? I certainly smell a rat with regards to who's being briefed and fed what, it's now in the hands of those inside Old Trafford to swing the decision on Moyes future, taking the banner down, expressing displeasure have all started to become reality, the gallows are set for me.

I feel for Moyes he was given this chance and he's clearly out of his depth, said it countless times but his decision to break up a winning team of coaches has cost him, and more importantly us very dearly. He is by his own admission, not tactically astute enough to find a way of playing with the current crop of players. The current crop of players have seen right through him and to quote Alan fecking Shearer "have downed tools". He's lost the armchairs across social media, he's seemingly lost the dressing room, he's losing the match going hardcore and the board have recognised it judging by the collective media ramblings. One other I feel for is Phil Neville, he was a part of a period in our history that will live long in the memory and Moyes has not fully but in some way tarmished his legend for us.

One other point is a Moyes sack watch thread, there's usually one kicking about for other clubs by now, have we decided against it ?
 
Red Shorts said:
The unanimous support he is getting from old club players, no noise from the board at all about moves for replacements and most important of all, Fergie and Charlton giving vocal support. We don't know for certain what their plans are, but I myself am confident he will remain here until at least the winter, no matter how we end this season now.
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Even if they had some other manager lined up they wouldn't let people know. Undermining him with a whispering campaign would be totally pointless.
 
gasmanc said:
We had no murmurs or suggestions from the club, the manager or board that Ferguson was going to retire, it was just announced right out of the blue. We were also shrouded in secrecy right up until Moyes was appointed, if the club wants its private matters private thats what they remain.
You would imagine Moyes position has been discussed and the club has chosen a stance (sensibly) to publicly back him, all contrary to what decisions have actually been taken, Moyes, Charlton, Keane, Cantona and a whole host of legends all coming public regarding the boards backing of the manager and all in the same time frame ? I certainly smell a rat with regards to who's being briefed and fed what, it's now in the hands of those inside Old Trafford to swing the decision on Moyes future, taking the banner down, expressing displeasure have all started to become reality, the gallows are set for me.

I feel for Moyes he was given this chance and he's clearly out of his depth, said it countless times but his decision to break up a winning team of coaches has cost him, and more importantly us very dearly. He is by his own admission, not tactically astute enough to find a way of playing with the current crop of players. The current crop of players have seen right through him and to quote Alan fecking Shearer "have downed tools". He's lost the armchairs across social media, he's seemingly lost the dressing room, he's losing the match going hardcore and the board have recognised it, judging by the collective media ramblings. One other I feel for is Phil Neville, he was a part of a period in our history that will live long in the memory and Moyes has not fully but in some way tarmished his legend for us.

One other point is a Moyes sack watch thread, there's usually one kicking about for other clubs by now, have we decided against it ?
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There was one a while ago, then one of the mods merged it with this one I think.
 
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