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David Moyes left Ferguson 'furious' after backroom changes

http://www.givemesport.com/447271-d...n-furious-after-backroom-changes?tg=/football

Sir Alex Ferguson was left ‘furious’ after David Moyes re-shaped the backroom staff he had inherited at Manchester United after the former Everton manager had promised he would not disrupt the coaching set-up. Well, at least that is according to Richard Keys.

Moyes reached another nadir as Manchester United boss on Tuesday night as a trouncing handed out by Manchester City at Old Trafford led to angry fans attempting confront the manager while he was in the dugout.

And, it would appear, Moyes attracted anger right from the star of his Manchester United reign, after the Scot went back on an agreement he had with Ferguson after being handpicked to become the club’s next manager.

“I learned this week one of the agreements Fergie had with Moyes was that he wouldn't disrupt the backroom staff,” Keys wrote in his latest blog, which is often the source of much amusement. “Fergie was furious when he did.”

Moyes decided to ring a host of changes to the Manchester United coaching staff, with Steve Round, Chris Woods and Jimmy Lumsden taking up the same roles they had at Goodison Park, while Phil Neville was inducted into the backroom after retiring at Everton.

This meant Mike Phelan, trusted assistant to Ferguson during their time together at Manchester United, was relieved of his duties while Rene Meulensteen also departed, although Moyes claims he wanted the latter to stay.

Ryan Giggs was also added to the coaching ranks, most likely on the recommendation of Ferguson, while long-serving goalkeeping coach Eric Steele departed.
 
Ringo 07 said:
David Moyes left Ferguson 'furious' after backroom changes

http://www.givemesport.com/447271-d...n-furious-after-backroom-changes?tg=/football

Sir Alex Ferguson was left ‘furious’ after David Moyes re-shaped the backroom staff he had inherited at Manchester United after the former Everton manager had promised he would not disrupt the coaching set-up. Well, at least that is according to Richard Keys.

Moyes reached another nadir as Manchester United boss on Tuesday night as a trouncing handed out by Manchester City at Old Trafford led to angry fans attempting confront the manager while he was in the dugout.

And, it would appear, Moyes attracted anger right from the star of his Manchester United reign, after the Scot went back on an agreement he had with Ferguson after being handpicked to become the club’s next manager.

“I learned this week one of the agreements Fergie had with Moyes was that he wouldn't disrupt the backroom staff,” Keys wrote in his latest blog, which is often the source of much amusement. “Fergie was furious when he did.”

Moyes decided to ring a host of changes to the Manchester United coaching staff, with Steve Round, Chris Woods and Jimmy Lumsden taking up the same roles they had at Goodison Park, while Phil Neville was inducted into the backroom after retiring at Everton.

This meant Mike Phelan, trusted assistant to Ferguson during their time together at Manchester United, was relieved of his duties while Rene Meulensteen also departed, although Moyes claims he wanted the latter to stay.

Ryan Giggs was also added to the coaching ranks, most likely on the recommendation of Ferguson, while long-serving goalkeeping coach Eric Steele departed.
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Surely if that's the case though, over the summer it's not just players that need changing, but coaching staff if Moyes is to stay on, he needs to sack some "amateurs" and get some world class coaches around him in.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
See? Calm down now, children.
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He didn't really back Moyes... He said Manchester United will come back from this, all clubs go through phases like this. When the reporter asked him if we'll come back with Moyes, he said "maybe, we'll see, at the moment it's not very good but maybe next year we'll do great and everybody will remember what they said. We'll see in the future". Hardly backing Moyes, just saying who knows what'll happen.
 
The City game i expected us to get our arses handed to us. Not only are they a great side, but they seem to be a bogey side for us. They know how to beat us and have the power and technical ability we can't cope with. The Liverpool game really hurt though.
 
Both were bad, the fact we didn't look to even put up much of a fight was particularly depressing.
 
MoBeats said:
Both were bad, the fact we didn't look to even put up much of a fight was particularly depressing.
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Stadium was very quiet at times yesterday, and the drive home was very quiet between me and friends I went with, deflating experience, been a loyal fan for so long... it's actually starting to effect me in my outside life because I'm totally deflated... it's gotten to that stage.

Sad that I'm actually considering taking a break from actually watching them play because I get so deflated watching them these days, it's frustrating to see that total lack of commitment or passion.
 
bosnian_red said:
He didn't really back Moyes... He said Manchester United will come back from this, all clubs go through phases like this. When the reporter asked him if we'll come back with Moyes, he said "maybe, we'll see, at the moment it's not very good but maybe next year we'll do great and everybody will remember what they said. We'll see in the future". Hardly backing Moyes, just saying who knows what'll happen.
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Nah, he definitely backed him. Which means we're sure to go on to glory under Moyes. Undoubtedly.

For the record Cantona said Moyes has the character to handle the pressure. So, it's settled as far as I'm concerned. All we need to do now is sit back and wait for the trophies to start raining down on us.
 
If Moyes is trying to do everything himself it's no real wonder its going tits up, he's picking the team, coaching it, off on scouting missions, watching youth team games, dealing with day to day running of the club and god only knows what else. Fergusons already stated this jobs too big for one man and has always had himself a reliable set of coaching staff. Moyes is stretching himself to thin, and if he cant trust his back room to deal with the players, tactics and training sessions then he needs to cut his losses and find a set that are upto it.
 
gasmanc said:
If Moyes is trying to do everything himself it's no real wonder its going tits up, he's picking the team, coaching it, off on scouting missions, watching youth team games, dealing with day to day running of the club and god only knows what else. Fergusons already stated this jobs too big for one man and has always had himself a reliable set of coaching staff. Moyes is stretching himself to thin, and if he cant trust his back room to deal with the players, tactics and training sessions then he needs to cut his losses and find a set that are upto it.
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Exactly, it's comparing 20 troops and their captain to an empire with it's generals leading thousands, it's a huge empire, you can't compare the two.

There's a lot that goes into a football club these days, there's players diet, psychology, tactics, history, there's even small details like players going to see eye doctors, and they do peripheral vision exercises, like seeing the red shirt out the corner of your eye (so you can see people without fully turning) small tiny advantages like that.

Then there's scouting, training sessions, it's way too much for Moyes to do, the summer he needs world class coaches around him, get rid of the amateur backroom staff, make Scholes and Giggs do attacking drills for the team for example, tell the players to express themselves, enjoy their football, right now it's almost like every bit of energy and enthusiasm is drilled out of the squad, the Red Flag may aswell be at half mast this season.
 
KiD MoYeS said:

I mean, there doesn't seem to be any doubt in Moyes, does there?
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You can add Mike Keegan and Jamie Jackson to "most unreliable" journos on Utd.
They are not the authority on this.

Ducker, ogden, bates, Taylor, Herbert - these are who you should take note of.
 
KiD MoYeS said:

I mean, there doesn't seem to be any doubt in Moyes, does there?
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I worry a little about the sanity of our board when after this season, their stance hasn't changed one bit. Was he basically given a free role to do whatever he wanted? Seems to me like he could lose every game until the end of the season and we'd still hear the same shit just so we don't sound like a knee jerk club like Chelsea and sack their managers after 2 months because they are only in the top 4.
 
LonelyFire said:
You can add Mike Keegan and Jamie Jackson to "most unreliable" journos on Utd.
They are not the authority on this.

Ducker, ogden, bates, Taylor, Herbert - these are who you should take note of.
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Hope so, because those are the two that are saying the board are still backing him :nervous:
 
TheNewEra said:
Exactly, it's comparing 20 troops and their captain to an empire with it's generals leading thousands, it's a huge empire, you can't compare the two.

There's a lot that goes into a football club these days, there's players diet, psychology, tactics, history, there's even small details like players going to see eye doctors, and they do peripheral vision exercises, like seeing the red shirt out the corner of your eye (so you can see people without fully turning) small tiny advantages like that.

Then there's scouting, training sessions, it's way too much for Moyes to do, the summer he needs world class coaches around him, get rid of the amateur backroom staff, make Scholes and Giggs do attacking drills for the team for example, tell the players to express themselves, enjoy their football, right now it's almost like every bit of energy and enthusiasm is drilled out of the squad, the Red Flag may aswell be at half mast this season.
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We've been tactically out thought in virtually every game against teams in the top 8 (well apart from Arsenal :lol:) Moyes is clearly out of his tactical depth here. His saving grace is that he doesn't have to be, world class coaches and tacticians can be hired to assist him, Lumsden,Neville and Round will either have to go or he will, it's that clear cut for me.
And yes we have retired legends that will assist, SAF,Charlton,Giggs,Scholes already there and having that kind of hierarchy at club level has done Bayern Munich no harm at all.

Once City went ahead after 45 seconds or whatever it was not one member of our bench had the slightest idea what to do, Valencia getting stripped, dressed, stripped and dressed again :wenger: It was a clear view into the clueless management we've seen argued against all season.
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oyes-at-Old-Trafford-after-latest-defeat.html

Article being run by Mark Ogden and Duncan Castles is running a similar report on goal.com
 
If it's what it takes, our player's turning on the manager à la Chelsea, I'm all for it. It feels quite dirty to have to type that, but the man must go as soon as possible. Usually I would not stand for that kind of behavior, but it is seemingly only a few on the board who now still hold faith in Moyes.
 
The only bit I care about in that Castles article is that there is a clause in Moyes contract which allows termination at a cheaper cost.
 
Kill 'em all said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oyes-at-Old-Trafford-after-latest-defeat.html

Article being run by Mark Ogden and Duncan Castles is running a similar report on goal.com
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Quote from it:

While there are concerns over recent results and Moyes’s inability to halt a slide which has left United struggling even to qualify for the Europa League, the Glazers and Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman, are understood to be determined to judge the former Everton manager at the end of the season rather than be forced into a decision before the final game of the campaign at Southampton on May 11.
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The overly-hopeful part of me translates this as code for "he's gone".
 
The award of a six-year contract was essentially a PR play, with Moyes' contractual terms including a break clause that enables the Americans to sack him at far less than the full salary costs of that term.
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My favourite part.
 
Ringo 07 said:
David Moyes left Ferguson 'furious' after backroom changes

http://www.givemesport.com/447271-d...n-furious-after-backroom-changes?tg=/football

Sir Alex Ferguson was left ‘furious’ after David Moyes re-shaped the backroom staff he had inherited at Manchester United after the former Everton manager had promised he would not disrupt the coaching set-up. Well, at least that is according to Richard Keys.

Moyes reached another nadir as Manchester United boss on Tuesday night as a trouncing handed out by Manchester City at Old Trafford led to angry fans attempting confront the manager while he was in the dugout.

And, it would appear, Moyes attracted anger right from the star of his Manchester United reign, after the Scot went back on an agreement he had with Ferguson after being handpicked to become the club’s next manager.

“I learned this week one of the agreements Fergie had with Moyes was that he wouldn't disrupt the backroom staff,” Keys wrote in his latest blog, which is often the source of much amusement. “Fergie was furious when he did.”

Moyes decided to ring a host of changes to the Manchester United coaching staff, with Steve Round, Chris Woods and Jimmy Lumsden taking up the same roles they had at Goodison Park, while Phil Neville was inducted into the backroom after retiring at Everton.

This meant Mike Phelan, trusted assistant to Ferguson during their time together at Manchester United, was relieved of his duties while Rene Meulensteen also departed, although Moyes claims he wanted the latter to stay.

Ryan Giggs was also added to the coaching ranks, most likely on the recommendation of Ferguson, while long-serving goalkeeping coach Eric Steele departed.
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I think the reporters are just digging in old reports just to come up with something to cover for the lack of material they need at times like this.

I take this story as: Moyes is 100% staying.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
If it's what it takes, our player's turning on the manager à la Chelsea, I'm all for it. It feels quite dirty to have to type that, but the man must go as soon as possible. Usually I would not stand for that kind of behavior, but it is seemingly only a few on the board who now still hold faith in Moyes.
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Not aimed at you at all but, the notion that we are any different to any football club is basically us being brainwashed by the PR team in the club.

We have Sir Bobby saying how we're a different club than everyone else, who never sack managers and always give them time. Sir Bobby was the biggest influence, in terms of the players at the time, in the sacking of Wilf McGuinness and Frank O Farrell.

Then there's Ryan Giggs' personal life (John Terry anyone?) The Rock of Gibraltar episode, the club thinking about getting shot of Fergie in 1996 until he won the double, Fergie making the Rooney thing last year public, the Jaap Stam book being released, the Doc shagging the physio's wife, Martin Edwards and the incidents in Brazil, Beckham being a knob about the boot to the head,

We are just as bad as any other club out there and it's hypocritical to think otherwise. It's us, believing our own fabricated bullshit that has got us into this mess!!

If the players turned on him, I would not be one bit surprised!
Our fans laughed and scoffed at Chelsea players turning on AVB and others, took the moral high ground. Said we'd never do that as we have class and are better than that

...Well now our fans are wanting the same thing done within our own team/club.
 
.Rossi said:
Not aimed at you at all but, the notion that we are any different to any football club is basically us being brainwashed by the PR team in the club.

We have Sir Bobby saying how we're a different club than everyone else, who never sack managers and always give them time. Sir Bobby was the biggest influence, in terms of the players at the time, in the sacking of Wilf McGuinness and Frank O Farrell.

Then there's Ryan Giggs' personal life (John Terry anyone?) The Rock of Gibraltar episode, the club thinking about getting shot of Fergie in 1996 until he won the double, Fergie making the Rooney thing last year public, the Jaap Stam book being released, Martin Edwards and the incidents in Brazil, Beckham being a knob about the boot to the head,

We are just as bad as any other club out there and it's hypocritical to think otherwise. It's us, believing our own fabricated bullshit that has got us into this mess!!

If the players turned on him, I would not be one bit surprised!
Our fans laughed and scoffed at Chelsea players turning on AVB and others, took the moral high ground. Said we'd never do that as we have class and are better than that

...Well now our fans are wanting the same thing done within our own team/club.
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I'd agree that we're not as different to other clubs as some fans would have you believe.

Still, the idea of a player revolt leading to a manager losing his job would usually not sit well with me, the Moyes' situation being the only time I'd encourage it.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oyes-at-Old-Trafford-after-latest-defeat.html

Ogden's lastest article. Interesting that the number of articles about Moyes has increased markedly by reputable newspapers.

David Moyes is facing a critical battle for his Manchester United future with squad misgivings over the manager’s tactical approach and training methods threatening to undermine the ongoing backing from the club’s owners, the Glazer family.

With United now having endured eight defeats in 17 games in 2014, the patience shown by the majority of Moyes’s players with his tactics and approach to the job is now at breaking point, with Telegraph Sport aware of the concern of squad members over the inability of the manager to arrest the slump.

Despite Manchester City inflicting on United a third humiliating defeat in the space of a month after a 2-0 Champions League humbling against Olympiakos in Athens and the 3-0 defeat against Liverpool at Old Trafford 11 days ago, senior figures at the club remained unmoved on Wednesday in their support for the 50-year-old.

While there are concerns over recent results and Moyes’s inability to halt a slide which has left United struggling even to qualify for the Europa League, the Glazers and Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman, are understood to be determined to judge the former Everton manager at the end of the season rather than be forced into a decision before the final game of the campaign at Southampton on May 11.

However, the manner of United’s capitulation against Liverpool and City has exacerbated concern within the squad that Moyes’s methods are flawed and unsuited to the club’s attacking traditions.

Moyes’s perceived cautious approach has been viewed as blunting the team’s attacking potential, and although senior players embraced his determination last summer to make training more physically demanding than under Sir Alex Ferguson it is now regarded as having contributed little of benefit to a team who are in seventh position in the Premier League, 12 points adrift of Champions League qualification.

Having grown accustomed to ball-related training under Ferguson and coaches Rene Meulensteen and Mike Phelan, there is less enthusiasm for Moyes’s preference for more structured sessions centred on team shape and organisation and concern has also been expressed about a lack of continuity in team selection – highlighted by the surprise recall of Ryan Giggs to the team against Olympiakos last week and his subsequent absence from the squad in the following games against West Ham United and City.

Robin van Persie’s comments to a Dutch television station following the defeat against Olympiakos last month, when the forward claimed that team-mates were “occupying the spaces I want to play in”, proved the first public example of Moyes’s tactics being questioned by his players. The Dutchman ultimately offered his backing to the manager in a supportive interview in the United programme before the Liverpool defeat, however.

While sources at Old Trafford do not contest the disaffection of some members of Moyes’s squad, the view until the defeat against Liverpool was that the majority of those with an axe to grind were players who faced an uncertain future at the club beyond the end of this season.

Exasperation has grown, however, and Moyes is regarded as having few allies in the dressing room as he approaches the final seven league games of the season. But despite the concerns within the squad, Woodward and the Glazers believe that the current problems on the pitch are proof of the need to rebuild the team this summer – a job which they are backing Moyes to undertake.

Moyes has handed Woodward a list of summer transfer targets, including Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos, Southampton defender Luke Shaw and Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho. He has also identified a number of players he is ready to sell at the end of the season, with Patrice Evra and Javier Hernández both set to be handed the opportunity to follow Nemanja Vidic to Inter Milan this summer.

In public, the Scot continues to shield his players from the brunt of criticism, with the manager offering a frank insistence following the City defeat that he shouldered responsibility for the team’s decline this term which sees them 26 points worse off than at the same stage of last season.

Critical comments by former United midfielder Paul Scholes following the City defeat added to the sense of Moyes’s reign unravelling amid growing discord among those connected with the club, however.

The manager will at least be comforted, though, by the group in charge of banners inside Old Trafford insisting that the “Chosen One” banner at the Stretford End – so-called because of Moyes being anointed by Ferguson as his successor – will not be taken down in the wake of calls from supporters for it to be removed. A group of stewards was deployed to prevent supporters removing the banner after the City defeat, but there are no plans to take it down permanently.

Meanwhile, Wayne Rooney admitted that the team’s results had not been good enough this season. “I don’t know why, but it’s not good enough,” the United forward said.
“We can’t lose six homes games in a season and we have to put that right and make this a place which teams fear again. It’s probably been the story of our season so far that we’ve got a couple of good results and then one which sets us back a bit.

"We know we have to respond. Tuesday was a bad night for us all but we have to move on. We’ve got two big games coming up against Bayern Munich but first we have to focus on the [Aston] Villa game and try to end the season on a positive note.”
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