Even Keane declared that Moyes needed time, and he doesn't give a shite about Ferguson and what he thinks.
Moyes So Far!
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Actually, the odds for Home/Draw/Away is directly linked to the handicap market which does reflect how much the bookies believe they'll win by.
I'd say that's partly to do with him being back in management himself.
Were you referring to his response to the Olympiacos defeat? That was mostly him berating Carrick's interview and the players. Sure he did suggest that half a dozen or so players need to be brought into the club, but I don't recall him offering a strong statement of support for Moyes (unless I've missed something?).
Harrison's no longer a club employee. Neither is Gordon Hill, Willie Morgan or any of the other ex-reds/United staff who say Moyes isn't up to it.
Had Red Nev or Scholes landed their criticisms straight at Moyes the club wouldn't have continued their formal association with either. Maybe that would be a good thing cos the fans would definitely back the class of 1992 over Ed Woodward's PR people.
Interesting that Red Nev hasn't tweeted today though. He's usally very active on twitter.
Keane just wants to blame Fergie cos he hates him. Keane claims that Fergie didn't invest, that the players Fergie left were rubbish, with Keane Fergie is always the answer to what has gone wrong. Keane is blinded by his personal bitterness towards Sir Alex.
There really is nothing factual going for Moyes aside from helping Januzaj break through the first team. On the other hand, there are myriad of things counting against him. We have only had false dawns yet heading for disappointments like 0-3 yesterday against City, almost like a recurring theme this season.
Under Sir Alex Ferguson, even in the 1-6 derby, we had passion until the last minute, we tried to play football, 3 nil down I could still feel like getting something out of the game when Fletcher scored that brilliant goal. On the other hand, yesterday when we went down 1 nil inside 45 seconds, I had an immediate feeling we were not going to come back into this game and it felt like players already given up. It's sickening to say the very least.
I have nothing against Moyes personally, but he's clearly out of depth and clueless at this level. The only reason he's still in the job is because he has the board's full support I imagine, not out of any sort of real merit.
Under Sir Alex Ferguson, even in the 1-6 derby, we had passion until the last minute, we tried to play football, 3 nil down I could still feel like getting something out of the game when Fletcher scored that brilliant goal. On the other hand, yesterday when we went down 1 nil inside 45 seconds, I had an immediate feeling we were not going to come back into this game and it felt like players already given up. It's sickening to say the very least.
I have nothing against Moyes personally, but he's clearly out of depth and clueless at this level. The only reason he's still in the job is because he has the board's full support I imagine, not out of any sort of real merit.
Fergie or Sir Bobby probably called in a favour. Eric loves them both.
It's actually hilarious how everyone else can see he's not cut out for the job yet anyone connected with the club will come out with statements such as "you can sack him 9 months in" or "he will turn things around" or "the players have let him down".
Nice little bubble you've got there, united.
Moyes was tipped heavily about Januzaj, Ferguson had also included him in the squad for the final game of last season so he was coming through anyway.
I find the lack of shape in the last few pages a weird one, as it's something barely mentioned yet it's true, yesterday Fellaini at several points he didn't run back to defend he seems to lack desire himself.
Keane loves to stick it to Fergie. So he'll always criticise the elements of the club that Fergie was responsible for such as the players or transfer strategy in recent years.
Yes Keane is arguably worse than Carragher when it comes to United.
Surely everyone close to the club is doing it as part of PR. May be they think unhappy supporters will come around if fan favourites like Cantona comes out, saying thay they have faith in the manager.
Also that two images in the 31 reasons article is depressing. Theres no way anybody is getting through that Bayern midfield, while ours is like an empty field
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Still, my point stands. Once City scored in the first minute did the odds in-play not change, no?
Therefore, are the players exempt in your book for the bad start?
After City scored the odds would have gotten closer to resembling a convincing City win, are you telling me you were surprised City won 3 - 0 after going 1 - 0 up in the first minute?
City beat us convincingly and I'm sure the odds would suggest once they went 1 - 0 up this was far more likely therefore how much are the players to blame for that first minute? David Moyes has clearly under-performed but you can't honestly tell me the players couldn't have done much better with their start.
Also, explain how Bayern are expected to only beat us by 1 goal. I don't quite understand what you mean here.
Furthermore as you feel the bookies can accurately predict football scores. How often are they right or wrong? How accurate are they are predicting the football scores, as you are the one suggesting they are highly accurate predictors.
If Cantona came out saying the truth it would have a massive impact I guess. All this situation needs is just the first high profile associate to speak out and I think it'll set it all off. They might be burning their bridges with the club but someone has to speak out surely?
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, to be honest. But to be fair I think Moyes, as much as I want him gone, deserves at least minimal credit for involving him more regularly than we would've thought.
Also agree 100% about the lack of the shape in our team.
Perhaps Beckham will come out and say it, or maybe Ronaldo?
Ah right sorry...Thought he mean't anyone associated with the club
Na, it's not in either of their natures. It'd have to be someone who doesn't give a solitary feck like Keane. I'm surprised he hasn't been more vocal, considering this is a great chance to have a dig at Fergie for picking Moyes. Let's be honest we'd all love Keane to come out and say it.
To be fair it's not just ex United guys with the rose tinted specs on, it seems that no pundit out there has the bollocks to directly say Moyes isn't up to it. Instead they prefer to blame the players who have cabinets full of medals. If Moyes was foreign he'd have been long since hounded out by the media.
That we're supposed to give Moyes time and support him whatever.
Oh right. I don't think that. What's your opinion on the situation?
Saw on twitter yesterday that the class of '92 people and the ex united players don't want to be seen as the ones starting a revolt against the manager, or as the reason he got sacked. Seems very reasonable, and also I think the club briefed them not to put any extra pressure on him and criticize him in public regardless of their thoughts.
I think you're taking wrong view of people opinion here after the City. Most is not about being surprised we are defeated. But about a continuation of watching another shite game by the team under Moyes.
Is it that hard to understand?
I think it's more the manner of the defeat. As Pogue said in another thread (or maybe this one even), the managers impact is most visible at the start of the game and the start of the second half. We started the game dreadfully, and then grew into the game a bit, finished it pretty strongly if still not really making chances/testing the keeper/looking poor defensively. Second half was awful though. We looked like we had less belief in ourselves in the second half then in the first, the players seemed like they just gave up even when it was only 1-0. The second half was just embarrassing in every sense. It's not like City even played well. Same with Liverpool. They comfortably hammered us without ever getting out of second gear or really trying to hammer us or something like that. It just happened because of how poor we were in both.
Don't know where to put this, so...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-stars-gloating-romp-rivals-Old-Trafford.html
Oooo, that got my back up!
Just out of interest, can anyone recall any of our players being so brazenly inflammatory? I remember Rooney's "footballing lesson" comment.
I thought Yaya had more class, not to mention intelligence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-stars-gloating-romp-rivals-Old-Trafford.html
Oooo, that got my back up!
Just out of interest, can anyone recall any of our players being so brazenly inflammatory? I remember Rooney's "footballing lesson" comment.
I thought Yaya had more class, not to mention intelligence.
Let's be honest Toure hadn't even heard of City before he joined them, he just saw the money on offer. Genuinely think some of these players they've spunked fortunes on thought they were signing for United and only realised their error when they arrived at the Etihad and not OT. You only have to hear Pellegrini who thinks he manages United.
Read this one, it is depressing. Brace yourselves people when you're about to read this one.
Its amazing it has taken so long for the papers to go through all the excuses and then in the end have nobody to blame but him.
This made me laugh
Moyes should probably pray Liverpool don't win the league. The level of disgust will raise to another intensity.
or City, in fact, Moyes better pray Jose does his job for him...
They act as if though they expected something else. Why are the opinions more negative than after the West Ham game? Clearly because they didn't expect what happened to happen.
*checks in to see if he's gone yet*
I didn't want him in the first place and have never supported him. I've been flamed for it for that but I'm not too worried about it. My own nephew stopped talking to me for a few months because I said some things about Moyes that he didn't agree with but I know where he's coming from. There were plenty of old-timers who didn't want Docherty buy the younger supporters backed him to the hilt no matter what.
I think he'll get the push at the end of the season. The fact that we're still in the CL has given him a stay of execution.
Bloody hell, the M.E.N are really going to town on him now
Look at this!!
The David Moyes excuse generator
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/random-moyes-excuse-generator-david-6877533
Look at this!!
The David Moyes excuse generator
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/random-moyes-excuse-generator-david-6877533
I've been doing this 5 times an hour, everyday, for the past 3 months. Still nothing to report.
I've given up checking, resigned to seeing Chelsea dominate for the foreseeable future whilst we languish in midtable.
Bloody hell, the M.E.N are really going to town on him now
Look at this!!
The David Moyes excuse generator
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/random-moyes-excuse-generator-david-6877533
Reading all the different things he's said since August has killed my mood now
can you keep that up for another 5 years?.....
Reading all the different things he's said since August has killed my mood now
He was lucky that we had the tough start when all the players were still on Fergie auto-pilot mode. We certainly wouldn't get a 0-0 at home to Chelsea these days.
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