Moyes So Far!

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gza the genius said:
A year ago we didn't need to magically get better for us to have a hope of beating City at home.
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You miss the point completely. The tone has changed from before the City game to after slightly and I've merely stated what they did was no surprise.
 
Revan said:
Is there any other name for your opinion that we should stand by Moyes?
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Inconclusion. I haven't reached a decision yet.

Moyes out - Me on the fence - Moyes in.

It's a painstakingly simple concept that nobody seems to allow though. I've been called both sides of the debate when in reality I haven't picked one yet.

Faith would be me saying everything is fine, Moyes is the best thing to happen to us and the transition was seamless. Have I sounded like that?
 
Tomalonge said:
Inconclusion. I haven't reached a decision yet.

Moyes out - Me on the fence - Moyes in.

It's a painstakingly simple concept that nobody seems to allow though. I've been called both sides of the debate when in reality I haven't picked one yet.

Faith would be me saying everything is fine, Moyes is the best thing to happen to us and the transition was seamless. Have I sounded like that?
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That would be lunacity and worthy of sending you in a sanatorium.

You have been very pro-Moyes and still think that he may turn it (or at-least you said so until very recently). That is as blind faith as buying a lottary ticked and expecting to become a millionaire.
 
Floyd said:
I'm in a masochistic mood, anyone have a league table for 2014 only?
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Use this and put matches from 1st of January (so just change July to January).

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/custom-table

We're 9th, if Aston Villa win their game in hand they could over take us on goal difference and if Sunderland win two out of their three games in hand then they could overtake us to on goal difference.

Don't worry, we will still be top of the bottom half of the table. Even if Crystal palace win their game in hand we still have two more points. We should be good for a mid-table finish if Moyes can keep up the form.
 
I'm not hating on Moyes like the rest of you, I don't even think he's "not good enough", I don't think he's been good enough, but right now, if you pause time, he has to start from -10 and work up.

That, I don't see happening, and change is needed in the short term unfortunately, it's not just a bad year of results, when you loose the players, you loose you're chance of success in that job.

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Empire said:
The bookies take calculated risks. It does not appear Moyes will be sacked anytime soon therefore how do you explain them suspending betting on that?

It doesn't take a genius to know they will use past data to make future predictions. They don't watch United and say, well, they aren't playing good so let's make odds x,y,z. We watch the games and we knew what was going to happen, the bookies did what was best for business and stuck to their method of using past data to form future predictions or however they do it.

United are 33 / 1 to win the champions league however, I'm not sure any sane man would put money on United winning the champions league once in 33 attempts with the teams left in.

I am not surprised we lost 3 - 0 to City.
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Using that kind of logic, fans should consistently beat bookies and win lots of money every season, the reality is that bookies know what they're doing.
 
Empire said:
Use this and put matches from 1st of January (so just change July to January).

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/custom-table

We're 9th, if Aston Villa win their game in hand they could over take us on goal difference and if Sunderland win two out of their three games in hand then they could overtake us to on goal difference.

Don't worry, we will still be top of the bottom half of the table. Even if Crystal palace win their game in hand we still have two more points. We should be good for a mid-table finish if Moyes can keep up the form.
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Thanks, but you're too late, someone beat you to it:-)
 
Teams ------ Points ------- Played
Liverpool ---- 29 ----------- 11
Chelsea ------ 29 ----------- 12
Man City ----- 25 ----------- 10
Tottenham ---- 22 ----------- 12
Arsenal ------ 21 ----------- 12
Everton ------ 20 ----------- 11
Southampton -- 18 ----------- 12
Man Utd ------ 17 ----------- 12
Stoke -------- 16 ----------- 12
West Ham ----- 15 ----------- 11
Aston Villa -- 14 ----------- 11
Newcastle ---- 13 ----------- 12
Norwich ------ 12 ----------- 11
Palace ------- 12 ----------- 11
Sunderland --- 11 ----------- 9
Hull --------- 11 ----------- 11
West Brom ---- 10 ----------- 11
Swansea ------ 9 ------------ 12
Fulham ------- 8 ------------ 12
Cardiff ------ 7 ------------ 12

But the teams we've taken our points against are Swansea (3), Cardiff (3), Fulham (1), Arsenal (1), Crystal Palace (3), West Brom (3) and West Ham (3).

That's 16/17 points this year taken against the bottom 7 sides on the table for the whole season and 13/17 points taken against the bottom 7 on the post-new year table. West Ham have a game in hand and could pass us. Stoke are a mere point behind.

It's closer to relegation form than title-winning form.
 
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Arsenal are absolute mugs for giving us 4 points. Virtually every other top side has profited against us.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
About as long as I am going to put up with your blatantly insensitive remarks about a manager of a football club.

Karma, if it exists and is listening, would do well to put you through hell later on in your life.
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Are you wishing Cancer on a poster later on his/her life? If so I'm reporting this.
 
Danny1982 said:
If Mourinho knew on the second day what he knows now about us, we're definitely not drawing that game.
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I can't believe Mourinho came here for a draw. Who the feck does that? It's one of the easiest grounds to play at in Premier League, especially for top teams. City, Liverpool and Everton haven't even conceded there (well Chelsea too but they couldn't score).
 
Sarni said:
I can't believe Mourinho came here for a draw. Who the feck does that? It's one of the easiest grounds to play at in Premier League, especially for top teams.
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He didn't know that yet at the time. He thought we were the champions.
 
Sir Matt said:
31 reasons Moyes must go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...David-Moyes-must-leave-Manchester-United.html
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These parts stood out to me:

United have fewer home points in the league than Norwich and Hull (21 points).

United have scored the same number of goals at home in the league as Cardiff and Fulham, the table's bottom two teams (18 goals).

Everton were expected to struggle post-Moyes, almost in the same way United might post-Ferguson. Instead the club has moved to a new level. Under Roberto Martinez they have altered their style of play and have 57 points from 30 games, sitting above United in the league. In Moyes's last five seasons at the club they averaged 12 points fewer
 
Ross Barkley's verdict was unintentionally damning: "He's similar to David Moyes as they both like to take over the training session and be the main man but Martinez is more tactical. We do a lot more tactical work which is good for me because I'm young and still learning."
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I think this one tells a story we all thought is the case, but to come from a player who has played under Moyes (and another manager), I think it's pretty clear where one of our main problems lies.

And it is showing on the pitch.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
That's a bit harsh if I'm being honest
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Dr. Dwayne overreacted but the original comment was pretty bad too. I don't see a need for calling Moyes a cnacer who is killing this club. I haven't experienced it (or someone in my family except my grandmother who dies before I was born) but I'll bet that people who experienced it or had familiars dying from it, wouldn't feel comfortable to read such comments. And it isn't right to compare Moyes to such a disease, regardless how shit is him at the job.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Indeed it's worse than anything the original guy said, simply because there was no actual malice intended towards anyone in particular unlike that guys post.
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Calling Moyes a cancer is abusive and uncalled for. You say there is "no malice intended" but if I called someone a cancer to their face it'd be unquestionably seen as abuse, it's no different online. Moyes might not be doing his job very well, but he's still a person, and at the end of the day it's just fecking football.
 
adexkola said:
Wow, wasn't expecting @Pogue Mahone to crack.

On the game, we got rattled by the early goal... shit like that happens. After the first 10 minutes we actually were on top until half time. If both teams could finish properly the score would have been 2-2 at the break. The first 15 minutes after half time was a kick in the groin, and despite the substitutions, we never had a chance, and that is what hurts. Rafael was our best attacker. Rooney kept spraying the ball out wide. Mata was anonymous. Fellaini huffed and puffed when he wasn't assaulting City players. Ferdinand was a disgrace. Biggest of all, Moyes wasn't able to make the best of the situation, come up with a plan to get at City in the second half. All credit to City, they're a step behind the best in Europe, but they have the makings of a fantastic side, and the synergy of their understanding shows. Like it or not, it will take time before Moyes (or another manager) can get us to play like that. And 9 times of 10, the better side on paper wins. We looked just as helpless against City this time 2 years ago.

Going forward? Regarding Moyes... Well this won't do forever. I don't think Moyes should be sacked based on this game alone (come at me 'tards). He hasn't been decent this season, and that is putting it lightly. However if he was going to be sacked, it would have been against Fulham, or Olympiakos first leg, or Liverpool. He wasn't sacked. Ferguson and Charlton are all for giving him time, and since when have the Glazers ever given a flying feck about fans protesting or throwing their toys out the pram? (Remember their takeover, GnG?) So he will have time to rectify that. Do I think he should stay? I'm on the fence. I'm against sacking based on isolated events. If they have a long term plan I want them to stick to the plan. I don't want them to be knee jerky like Abrahamovic. If they manage to grab Klopp, by all means, with the best of wishes, let Moyes go. But bar the best, keep him, until it is absolutely sure we are going nowhere with him. I don't think we have reached that point, maybe if we're playing like this in December, then I will book a ticket to Manchester and bring a big fuck off "Moyes Out" sign to Old Trafford. You can quote that. And I don't want the manager position to be a revolving door for the next few years, we don't have a Bayern like structure that allows for such changes. And fuck Mourinho, he assaults people.

The players? Half of them have been an utter disgrace. Fuck 'em. They've won trophies in the past, but they're getting paid millions to perform a basic job. Ferdinand. Evra. Valencia. Young. Carrick. And Vidic, RVP to some extent. They've let the manager down, they've let the fans down, they've let the younger players down, the new signings they've let down. Carrick's spineless form shying away from tackles, Evra jogging back to defense, Ferdinand half arsing himself through games, Valencia and Young's aversion to anything other than crossing. Our captain's mind is in Milan, and RVP until the last few games moping around because his daddy retired. It was the same last season, but no one said anything because we were winning, and apparently that's all that matters. Of course not, we were carried to the title by RVP and Carrick, and now that they've regressed, we're playing poorly. Shock horror. Regardless of what happens to Moyes, I wouldn't mind if every last one of those players I mentioned left the club at the end of the season. I feel horrible saying all that, but it's the truth. They have been cowards. They have not played like Manchester United players. For that they deserve ire and reproach. Fuck em.

DDG, Rooney have been great this season. Januzaj has shown promise. The young defenders will grow into their roles with time. Cleverley can still turn it around hopefully. Kagawa and Mata have the makings of a great platonic relationship on the pitch. Fellaini has gotten lots of stick, but we haven't seen his best IMO. Nani needs to stop getting injured. The makings of a great side are here. With or without Moyes their talent will eventually yield fruit. Hopefully it is sooner than later.

The match going fans, both home and away? They have been awesome all season. All credit to them, I don't see many bandwagoners amongst them. Hopefully they continue to support the team, and try and give us the extra boost. No one is asking for Moyes songs, but they've done a great song supporting the team despite the frustration with Moyes. The fan who accosted SAF... what an idiot. After all he has done for the club. Go away.

The fans on here? Great discussions, a lot of reasoned people on both sides of the argument, but I've had to take personal breaks from the caf because several Dementors keep on sapping the spirit out of this place after every damned loss, and every rickety win. The signs were there after the infamous loss to Basel, that any prolonged period not spent at the top would make this place annoying, but wow, I never expected it to be as bad as this. Hoping for severe beatings at the hands of City and Liverpool, asking match going fans to boo the team, invading the "Support David Moyes thread"... On twitter and facebook it's even worse, no wonder we get a bad rep as bandwagoners. I feel awful for the mods, goodness knows how worse the newbies must be. I had a newb PM me, accusing me of sucking Moyes off. I love you all, but damn all of you to hell. I think I'll do a Plech and take the summer off from the Caf

Rant over
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Well said mate. The players, whilst getting a bit of grief in snippets, have got away with murder this season.
 
Lu Tze said:
Calling Moyes a cancer is abusive and uncalled for. You say there is "no malice intended" but if I called someone a cancer to their face it'd be unquestionably seen as abuse, it's no different online. Moyes might not be doing his job very well, but he's still a person, and at the end of the day it's just fecking football.
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He didn't call Moyes a cancer to his face. Moyes isn't reading this forum you blimp.

The personal abuse only went one-way here and it's vile and disgraceful.
 
it's a feckin game. no need to liken it to life threatening illnesses.

yeah, we're all pissed off at how our season has gone but let's keep it in perspective.
 
Lu Tze said:
Calling Moyes a cancer is abusive and uncalled for. You say there is "no malice intended" but if I called someone a cancer to their face it'd be unquestionably seen as abuse, it's no different online. Moyes might not be doing his job very well, but he's still a person, and at the end of the day it's just fecking football.
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The guy was using cancer and its treatment as an analogy, nothing more, nothing less, there was no real abject malice intended towards Moyes or anyone else, unlike the "karma punishment" reply he recieved, while the original post could be seen as utterly insensitive, at the end of the day it was still an analogy and no real malice intended.
 
Crono said:
He didn't call Moyes a cancer to his face. Moyes isn't reading this forum you blimp.

The personal abuse only went one-way here and it's vile and disgraceful.
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He still called him a cancer. It was vile and disgraceful. He may be screwing up to epic proportions, but he's still a human being. No need to call him a cancer.
 
BennyBlanco said:
The guy was using cancer and its treatment as an analogy, nothing more, nothing less, there was no real abject malice intended towards Moyes or anyone else, unlike the "karma punishment" reply he recieved, while the original post could be seen as utterly insensitive, at the end of the day it was still an analogy and no real malice intended.
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No. He called him "this cancer". The leap of logic necessary to get "no real abject malice" out of that would win the Olympic triple jump.
 
I can confirm that Moyes is actually a Taurus anyway. His horoscope mentions seeking new opportunities in a few weeks time.
 
Lu Tze said:
No. He called him "this cancer". The leap of logic necessary to get "no real abject malice" out of that would win the Olympic triple jump.
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Hardly, refferencing cancer in terms as to the effect of Moyes' on the club would be seen further towards defamation on the net, no? he didn't wish Moyes any particular harm, and further used Bayern as Chemo in the original post to further illustrate the analogy he intended, as said it was particuarly insensitive and both comments weren't what you want to read here, but it was the second guy whom actually had malice towards an individual in the post.
 
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David Moyes is a manager going through a tough time. And, after another humiliating defeat, this time to Manchester City at Old Trafford, he again talked of rebuilding. Of transition.

“It is underway in its own way,” he said.

“You don’t just suddenly change things around.

“As I said the other day, a lot of other clubs have had to change and they have had to do rebuilding jobs and look at the time it has taken them to do that or get to a level of competing.

“We hope it won’t take us as long as some of those clubs have taken. I think we have got a period of time where we are going to have to make sure we get to that level which we are not at just now.”
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But it doesn't look likely does it?
 
Moyes said:
“You don’t just suddenly change things around."
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But you did David, you took an entire squad from Champions to midtable crap within only a couple of months.

So it can be done.
 
David Moyes is a manager going through a tough time. And, after another humiliating defeat, this time to Manchester City at Old Trafford, he again talked of rebuilding. Of transition.

“It is underway in its own way,” he said.

“You don’t just suddenly change things around.

“As I said the other day, a lot of other clubs have had to change and they have had to do rebuilding jobs and look at the time it has taken them to do that or get to a level of competing.

“We hope it won’t take us as long as some of those clubs have taken. I think we have got a period of time where we are going to have to make sure we get to that level which we are not at just now
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Everton were expected to struggle post-Moyes, almost in the same way United might post-Ferguson. Instead the club has moved to a new level. Under Roberto Martinez they have altered their style of play and have 57 points from 30 games, sitting above United in the league. In Moyes's last five seasons at the club they averaged 12 points fewer
 
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