Ah, spot on.
"There wasn't much penetration to be honest, we gave it a good go but it wasn't to be."
Moyes So Far!
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"There wasn't much penetration to be honest, we gave it a good go but it wasn't to be."
Yeah, no chance of moving to us but you never know if the big ones in Spain come calling. He's a really good manager, I wish he'd just feck off from pool.
Christ, now I'm picturing Moyes with a serious dose of impotence. Just smacking his lad in an attempt to awaken it, "It's my job to get me to the semi."
Christ, now I'm picturing Moyes with a serious dose of impotence. Just smacking his lad in an attempt to awaken it, "It's my job to get me to the semi."
I'm reminded of this
I get the strong impression that whatever signs of progress we might have shown in the last couple of games will be rendered irrelevant in any scenario other than a win or draw against City.
Which is fair enough, if you're convinced Moyes needs to go for us to get back anywhere near our usual selves.
I'm just curious, though, is there anyone who can see us losing to City and still hold on to whatever optimism they're feeling right now? If we put in a decent performance but still lose, would that be ok? I don't think I'd be too worried in that scenario. For me, right now, City are a much better side than United. They've improved from last season a good bit and - even over the last couple of seasons, under SAF - would fancy their chances against us in a one off game. With good reason. We don't even usually go down valiantly, either. Smashed for 6 in one game and beaten one nil in an incredibly negative approach at OT in another. I think it's a shame that a loss would automatically be taken to mean we should ignore whatever good stuff we've seen recently.
Basically, a repeat of the hapless performance against Liverpool and I've had it but I can see a scenario where City win and I don't lose all my newfound optimism. Perhaps I'm the only one though?
Which is fair enough, if you're convinced Moyes needs to go for us to get back anywhere near our usual selves.
I'm just curious, though, is there anyone who can see us losing to City and still hold on to whatever optimism they're feeling right now? If we put in a decent performance but still lose, would that be ok? I don't think I'd be too worried in that scenario. For me, right now, City are a much better side than United. They've improved from last season a good bit and - even over the last couple of seasons, under SAF - would fancy their chances against us in a one off game. With good reason. We don't even usually go down valiantly, either. Smashed for 6 in one game and beaten one nil in an incredibly negative approach at OT in another. I think it's a shame that a loss would automatically be taken to mean we should ignore whatever good stuff we've seen recently.
Basically, a repeat of the hapless performance against Liverpool and I've had it but I can see a scenario where City win and I don't lose all my newfound optimism. Perhaps I'm the only one though?
Your wife's name not Wayne, is it?I'm reminded of this
Oh come on now, this thread is reaching new lows, and here's my observation: Moyes like to play with one in the hole and two in the box?
I'm reminded of this
I only just realised what that GIF reminds me of, it reminds me of a games of Charades, when someone guesses and you are like "oh i give up" or when they say "film" and you're like no not a film..
Honestly, if we played well and with good attacking intent, I'd be over the moon. It's a dead rubber for us anyway, points wise. The football, more so than the results, are the key issue for me from here 'til the end of the season.
No but I think Moyes lads is.
It definitely is. Even has the ginger beard.
I'm reminded of this
I wrote something up that involved Juan Mata flying the club helicopter to Madrid after Rooney put in a transfer request following his being awarded player of the tournament at the 2014 World Cup with Moyes in the back shouting "Wayne!" incessantly until somewhere over the English Channel.
When they later returned via helicopter to Calais to pick up Ronaldo as part of the deal (he had comissioned a motorway from Madrid to Calais so he could have a march of triumph back to Manchester) Moyes was still in the back shouting "Wayne!"
It was funny at the time of course.
That's where it gets tricky for Moyes though, he'll think if we go out attacking and get thumped that it's him in the firing line. Which is fair enough, because it is. We'll be looking to keep it dull I imagine.
I don't expect us to go gung-ho tomorrow, that'd be suicide. But it'd be nice to see the side set up to utilise our more creative players in a more imaginative way than what we've become accustomed to seeing this season.
Tough one. Playing half-decent against City would be nice to see-and may tempt me to start believing that we're on an upward slope, and that Moyes is finally getting his hands around the job. Maybe it's just rationalization on my part so I don't go crazy when Moyes is still here at the start of next season.
I think winning ugly would be a good sign, shows the team has grit and determination.
Definitely not. I'm looking at it more from the perspective of us 'turning the corner', so a good performance or even a point against City will be a good sign of this for me. I'm not under any impression that this team is good enough to beat City apart from on an off day. I'd say 7 out of 10 games they would beat us. With that in mind, I don't suddenly believe that a loss against them means that we aren't getting back to our normal ways, just accounting for the fact that our normal ways generally include losing to City or being outplayed anyway (in more recent times, obviously).
It'd be good, but I'm not it'd be all that telling. We got a point away to Arsenal, which under normal circumstances would be acceptable, but many fans found the tactics overly cautious and dull.
Everton were 6th last year, and they're currently 5th, and could yet fall to 6th or 7th. So let's ease down the perception he's pulling up trees there. That's a kind of anti Moyes revisionism in itself. We've had a near disastrous season, and Tottenham have had some turmoil and struggled to gel so many new players.
He might get Barry next year, but this year he's been fortunate to have him, Lukaku and Dela-wotsit all on loans.
It depends on the kind of performance really. If we play progressive and fluid football and hurt city through quality passing but lose then that will be a positive for me.
I think Moyes does need to get us back up there and believe that's what the expectation should be but that kind of form is probably going to come next season if it will under him.
City's away form has been patchy at best this season, if we had any kind of decent home record so far we'd think that we had a good chance against them. It goes to show how far our expectations of this side have shrunk that it's looked at as a fait accompli already.
We played ugly and beat Arsenal when they are going very well. It proved nothing long term.
It proves you can win ugly, which is a trait of good teams, when you play well and you win great, but you need consistency over a season.
Not at all.
Think there will be quite a few here who wouldnt mind a loss if we actually did things right in terms of how we setup and play. On the other hand, as I said before the game against Pool, even a 1-0 lucky win tomorrow would mean feckall to me if we play shit and just scrape a win. I dont care about the results so to say, the season in terms of the league is over for me and I dont even want us to be in the Europa league, what I want is to see progress.
I think we need to show some tactical moves that are able to break through a good defence at 0-0.
We have been a bit more or less reliant on "luck" for our first goal to some extent.
We have been a bit more or less reliant on "luck" for our first goal to some extent.
City... a good defence? what have you been watching this season.
I'm not sure winning ugly counts for much when you're not playing for anything.
If we setup with both Young and Valencia tomorrow, play shit on a stick football, get dominated and then somehow score to win 1-0, I wouldnt take it as a positive at all. I'd rather we setup right, played good football even if at the end we lose a close game.
Winning scrappy games is good and a sign of champion team when it happens the odd time the team doesnt play well. Hoping to scrap through results every week means very little regardless of the result.
I wasn't talking specifically about City, and by "good" I didn't mean "great", just reasonably good.
I would definitely be satisfied if we showed that against City.
Valencia and Young can't feature on the team sheet, they have both put in 0 performances this year.
You can safey bet that atleast one is a cert to start tomorrow.
Pretty much yeah. But I wouldn't really mind winning ugly at all.
Yep. I feel the same way. It's all about the direction the team goes and the execution of that. Trophies and results will come eventually if you get those things right now.
Arsenal have played good football for years.. eventually?
Playing well in itself isnt enough but its a good place to start.
I don't know, against Citeh, I'll gladly take it.
Just because can never get past the line and cock up some way or the other, it doesn't mean teams should stop focusing on playing quality football. We've got no trophies to go for so I'll be keeping a keen eye on the performances most of all.
All you need in a football match is players to be clinical with their chances really.
I'd rather prove we can play good football even against the top teams. This is a big part of what we've been missing all season and something we need to show we can do. Snatching an ugly 1-0 can come later.
Well, it is a derby, but yeah. It's not so much about winning but how we win. I don't think he should be United manager next season but if we gel, play good stuff and finally be able to look decent against strong sides, then at least I'll see why he's kept.
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