Moyes wanted to keep Rene, and Neville was only offered the job only after he declined. He was interviewed for Everton managers job. He was so happy being back at Carrington phoned his wife if he could sleep over. Started work even before agreeing a contract. He finished of his interview saying how impressed he is with the strength and the foundation of the club. Most of the other time was spent on reminiscing on his time at United.
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Moyes wanted to keep Rene, and Neville was only offered the job only after he declined. He was interviewed for Everton managers job. He was so happy being back at Carrington phoned his wife if he could sleep over. Started work even before agreeing a contract. He finished of his interview saying how impressed he is with the strength and the foundation of the club. Most of the other time was spent on reminiscing on his time at United.
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Still, it's only a matter of time before they photoshop a turnip on his head (or something).
Will "world class players" want to play for Moyes and his staff ?
An easy ride?!! Christ.
If you mean that not all journos are as insanely impatient as a lot of fans you'd have a point but the press have been all over his appointment from day one. For obvious reasons.
Knowing the press in this country I'd expect him to be getting slaughtered for our start to the season - given there's a rather obvious narrative they could be pushing to their readers ("Moyes is out of his depth" etc.). Not that I think he should be getting more flack or he deserves it, but I'd have expected more questions to have been asked of his appointment than there were at the time, and I'd have expected a lot more criticism than I've seen so far. Maybe I'm not reading the right stuff (or rather - the wrong stuff).
What's a bad result? If we happen to lose versus Sunderland we'll have 7 points from 7 games. That would be far worse than losing against Shaktar. It's almost par for the course for us to do badly away in Europe against teams we should outclass. I still think we'll put in a good title challenge this season, and I still think Moyes can do a good job, but I must admit I have started wondering what exactly it would take for Moyes not to finish the season at United.
Unlike some here I don't think it's a given that he'll get two full seasons to prove his worth, or even a season and a half. I believe that if we finish outside of the top 4, in any case except an extremely close top 5-6, Moyes will be sacked. For him to be sacked before the season... well, we'd have to be a fair few points off the top. It's hardly likely given our squad - I disagree heavily with those who play down the quality in our squad just because Fergie isn't here anymore - but if the current trend continues it's not impossible.
Hard to take his "world class players" comment seriouly sonsidering his status amoungts world class coaches. He need not make excuses for his lack of experience by blaming a squad that is more than capable of making a run in the CL.
Anyway, what I felt most confident in his appointment was his knowledge of the league. I had imagined we'd safely qualify in the top four as he crafted his trade in Europe. Instead he seems to be struggling with a squad that is 10x the quality he had at Everton.
Anyway, what I felt most confident in his appointment was his knowledge of the league. I had imagined we'd safely qualify in the top four as he crafted his trade in Europe. Instead he seems to be struggling with a squad that is 10x the quality he had at Everton.
Pretty annoyed that he's questioning the players we have at the club and whether they're good enough. SAF strolled the League with this squad and ultimately the responsibility of how strong the squad would be going into the season lay with him. I'm behind him but if he keeps publicly doubting the players and making absurd decisions like replacing Kagawa at half time, dropping both first choice full backs and playing with such a lack of tempo or ambition then some people will become disillusioned rather quickly.
That's the impression I got from the last Rene interview too, though it was less clearly formulated. Hopefully people will take note of this and finally move on from the idea that Moyes fecked up royally by freezing Rene out. They'll probably use it as proof he is unable to attract top class staff, though.
You cant safely assume that at all. Some of todays players are doing their coaching badges. While doing their UEFA coaching badges they have to be regularly coaching teams and with all probability at Utd its being involved with youth or reserves squads. To attain UEFA qualifications you have to do ongoing work which is scrutinized as well as the associated coaching courses you have to go on. Its expensive, hard and thorough. You cant just do those courses without being heavily involved on the coaching side of things. Ive done some of it, never completed because of normal work and the cost for me.
On top of that factor in these players (such as Gary Neville) have spent their entire footballing careers from the time they were first spotted as promising kids through their playing careers being coached and learning drills and tactics from the best coaches and peers. They have been exposed to a massive amount more coaching education even as players than the majority of us ever do. They already inherently have a ton of experience due to the nature of their playing career and the effort required to complete UEFA badges.
I full expect SAF to do a Scholsey come back..
Fergie is going to play in midfield??
Wasn't he basically offered to coach the kids?
We will start to pick up I'm not getting over worried yet, same squad as last year plus Vidic is back and we have signed Fellaini! Giggs Rio Evra look on their final season but our young guns are all a year older and wiser!
From everything I have read, Moyes offered to Rene the youth coach job, which was a polite way of sacking him.
I got the impression he was going to be kept on in the same role he had under Sir Alex. Neville was told not to wait around for the United job during the summer by Moyes. Neville admitted he was interviewed for managers job at Everton, and was offered a job to work alongside Martinez. Neville admitted he only got the job after Rene declined the offer by Moyes.
Not picking on you but are there any actual decent sources towards this? Because from my memory, Rene certainly hung around for a few days till he got the Anzhi job, implying he was willing to stick around otherwise.
That's an interesting timeline. Neville did infact join much later.
So pretty much just watched the game, I missed it yesterday and didnt catch motd, but saw the full game on mutv and personally I thought we were unlucky.
Maybe it's the benefit of watching the game knowing how it wnds but I really thought it was just a case of some bad luck on front of goal and then 1 mistake and 1 good goal really costing us.
I've seen a few things about getting the tactics wrong /players wrong particularly with regards to jones and buttner but I don't think either were bad. They weren't as good attackingly as rafael and evra would be true but I don't think they were ineffective there. Both put in at least one good ball that really should hbe had more made of it.
I've also seen kagawa and carrick get some stick. Not sure why. Kagawa wasn't involved a huge amount but when he was he was bright. I don't think there was any need to take him off but at the same time I don't think januzaj weakened us significantly or anything. Can't understand the carrick criticism, I thought he put in a number of probing passes particularly through the middle that weren't capitalised on. Defensively he helped both centreback a number of times. Another case of him having to carry the midfield burden.
Nani was excellent I thought, great first half, a little quieter at the start of the second but grew back in to the game. A definite positive from the game. I also thought Januzaj grew in to the game well.
Ando was too hit and miss for me and I think was defensively suspect which partly led to the second for me. I think that's what's cost us today, we just weren't getting the luck upfront and we needed to be more solid to nick the win. Rio was at fault for the first goal as well.
Other then that Rooneys touch/decisions were a bit off. I thought there was a clear difference between how Rooney was controlling a fizzed carrick pass to how nani was, needed more from Rooney there and he fluffed a few chances trying to be too smart.
But on the whole I can't think of anything to panic over. West brom played well but for my money they weren't worth the win and a bit more fortune in the first half with chances and things could hve been very different . I thought there were plenty of positives in attack.
Defensively we need to address some issues from the midfield protection to the individual errors. Hopefully that will come with sharpness. A disappointing result but I didn't think moyes did anything wrong.
3 losses from 6 games isn't great, a definite below par return but in context it could be worse. 2 losses are ones that aren't out of the ordinary except in the city game the manner of the loss. This was the one which we might look back on a bit more as costly as it shouldn't happen, but as I said I thought it was just one of those days. Then drawing to Chelsea isn't the worst result.
I think the attack is coming on with kagawa and nani and the increased introduction of januza. We'll get goals from it soon imo. Now need to sort out the defence.
Maybe it's the benefit of watching the game knowing how it wnds but I really thought it was just a case of some bad luck on front of goal and then 1 mistake and 1 good goal really costing us.
I've seen a few things about getting the tactics wrong /players wrong particularly with regards to jones and buttner but I don't think either were bad. They weren't as good attackingly as rafael and evra would be true but I don't think they were ineffective there. Both put in at least one good ball that really should hbe had more made of it.
I've also seen kagawa and carrick get some stick. Not sure why. Kagawa wasn't involved a huge amount but when he was he was bright. I don't think there was any need to take him off but at the same time I don't think januzaj weakened us significantly or anything. Can't understand the carrick criticism, I thought he put in a number of probing passes particularly through the middle that weren't capitalised on. Defensively he helped both centreback a number of times. Another case of him having to carry the midfield burden.
Nani was excellent I thought, great first half, a little quieter at the start of the second but grew back in to the game. A definite positive from the game. I also thought Januzaj grew in to the game well.
Ando was too hit and miss for me and I think was defensively suspect which partly led to the second for me. I think that's what's cost us today, we just weren't getting the luck upfront and we needed to be more solid to nick the win. Rio was at fault for the first goal as well.
Other then that Rooneys touch/decisions were a bit off. I thought there was a clear difference between how Rooney was controlling a fizzed carrick pass to how nani was, needed more from Rooney there and he fluffed a few chances trying to be too smart.
But on the whole I can't think of anything to panic over. West brom played well but for my money they weren't worth the win and a bit more fortune in the first half with chances and things could hve been very different . I thought there were plenty of positives in attack.
Defensively we need to address some issues from the midfield protection to the individual errors. Hopefully that will come with sharpness. A disappointing result but I didn't think moyes did anything wrong.
3 losses from 6 games isn't great, a definite below par return but in context it could be worse. 2 losses are ones that aren't out of the ordinary except in the city game the manner of the loss. This was the one which we might look back on a bit more as costly as it shouldn't happen, but as I said I thought it was just one of those days. Then drawing to Chelsea isn't the worst result.
I think the attack is coming on with kagawa and nani and the increased introduction of januza. We'll get goals from it soon imo. Now need to sort out the defence.
Im the eternal optimist and for me this was always going to be a bumpy ride. I think you are mostly right here. I thought we looked good in the first half, plenty of chances. If I go looking for the negatives I can end up worried about the situation, if I go looking for the positives I feel much better.
Yeah like 3 points at home to West Brom
Hopefully he's a learning and learning fast and he does seem like he's noticed the same cocks and balls up as the rest of us, let's see how he sets up up next week against Sunderland and then again the following week. By closing time on the Arsenal visit we can likely assess exactly where we are and just how much Moyes has gotten to grips with.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/29/david-moyes-manchester-united
Looks like he his lowering our expectations. Not even qualifying for the next stage of the CL.
Looks like he his lowering our expectations. Not even qualifying for the next stage of the CL.
He's being incredibly naive. Stop giving a running commentary on your uncertainty David!
Mr positivity, eh.
You've been incredibly positive throughout all of this (insert sarcastic smiley here) I wonder what your next move would be as a member of the board ?
It's nothing us realists didn't already know. To hear Moyes doom a squad he doesn't even know how to handle domestically for a tournament he's only played in once leaves me with little confidence and optimism. Like they all say, early days!
They were fairly generic "its a tough group" and "you can't take anything for granted" type quotes that any manager says about any fixture.
This lowering of expectations is completely alien to United fans. And what effect does it have on the team performance? I am seriously worried now.
I'd much rather he come out and say that he expects nothing less than progress out of the group stages and into the later rounds of the competition. He's so fond of pointing out that he inherited a title-winning squad that needed little improvement, so he should likewise expect us to compete with the elite of Europe. Whether or not any of us would believe it is another story entirely...
I admire your optimism but I don't agree. We were fecking shit against West Brom. Sloppy passing, slow tempo and zero creativity.
Normal service then.
Moyes is new to the job. He brought in his own staff and replaced the old coaches. That is the massive difference. Telling players to adjust to a new style will mean they lose some instinctiveness and fluidity. He is trying out different combinations like Anderson and Carrick to see for himself if it could work. He is giving a chance to all first team players so he is seen as fair. So far Nani, Rooney and Adnan have benefited from this. He will get rid of non-performers which Sir Alex did not have the heart to do. So Rio and Anderson will probably be culled. The Glazers will see the rebuilding that needs to be done and support his call for world-class purchases. We will improve as a team. Give the man time.
Fergies was a brilliant man manager, a few choice words at the right time like just after we lost the league to City spurred the team on. Moyes from what he has said in public has been to knock the team at every opportunity it seems.
Does Moyes tone sound as if he wants to distance himself from the team as he feels its not his unlike the Everton team he built?
Fergie had the experience of two or three reinventions of the squad and is arguably the identity of modern United. Moyes is just Moyes. I still think that fans need to take a step back and realize that we have to just be patient. Some of the ravenous gonk being spouted really is ridiculous in these cases. The club will play it by ear the way they want to and no amount of fans thinking they know the scoop and know better for the club will ever change that.
Imo it identifies a little bit of the nature of some fans being a little bit spoiled. So emotionally attached to the club that they take a lot of this personally when at the end of the day being a fully emotionally invested match day going fan riding the roller coaster makes as much difference to the results as checking your phone 3 days after a game and seeing the result.
I like DM... Like his attitude, personality and his proffesionalism, i called for him to be given the job, but the jobs looking very big for him atm.
He seems more concerned about cosying up to the press and publicly vilifying Young than putting a fire in the belly of his players.
I'd like to see a plan, even if we're getting beaten, but he's trying something totally different, I can accept that, we just seem to be bumbling along with the team 'not performing their best'.
Lets hear the roar of a psassionate scott and see the want in the faces of our players, it was what he was good at when at Everton, I havent seen any of that so far.
He seems more concerned about cosying up to the press and publicly vilifying Young than putting a fire in the belly of his players.
I'd like to see a plan, even if we're getting beaten, but he's trying something totally different, I can accept that, we just seem to be bumbling along with the team 'not performing their best'.
Lets hear the roar of a psassionate scott and see the want in the faces of our players, it was what he was good at when at Everton, I havent seen any of that so far.
The over-analysis of Moyes' interview comments is just ridiculous. It doesn't matter what he says; it's what he does that counts. In short, the results matter most; if he gets them, people will stop looking for such stupid things to criticise him over.
Has anyone considered the possibility that this is a man talking to the owners?
Because that seems rather blatantly what he's doing, IMO.
Because that seems rather blatantly what he's doing, IMO.
I gotta brace myself for all his interviews now.
Its a mess. From the transfer window, lack of chance creation, now to conceding goals for fun, to the weak and defensive press conferences, it's a mess. Transition? Patience? Ask me bollox. This club, the biggest sporting brand on the planet has everything at the cutting edge, from the tea lady to the scouting, academy, and a group of young champion players, there is no major reform needed here. All it needs is somebody to keep the players motivated and moving in the right direction it was placed already, and that is not happening. The players are not "playing" for him whatever is going on behind the scenes, the last 20 mins against west brom will tell you that, flat zero response. The bar has been set by SAF at the club, and though his genius is unlikely to be repeated and everyone expected to take a hit when he retired, what is unfolding at the minute is shocking and far more than taking a hit. We have gone from winning the Premier League comfortably and looking like we could have a good stab in Europe (only for an awful refereeing decision) to not looking like we can create a goal, against anybody. Like the man, want him to do well but... I don't know, after the city massacre, "there's going to be more disappointments like this" what the feck was that? I suppose he was right, didn't have to wait long until we were outplayed by west brom at Old Trafford, who played ET against arsenal on the Wednesday before. Oh yeah, we can't win the Champions League, can we just like pull or something and save all the messing around. WTF?
Maybe Moyes is just not a 'lucky' manager! (or at least it changed when he got here.)
You're right to an extent. People are looking at what he says as defeatist and that's what they're worried about. They see lowering expectations and telling the world that we don't have enough world class players as an excuse to what could be a bad season.
Frankly, I have no clue what he is doing internally and whether such a start means anything or not. So I'm guessing the senior heads at the club are scrutinising what he does and judging that he isn't deviating from what they'll want from a United manager. And that's all that matters. I just want some semblance of quality football played by the club. I was hoping for some freshness in our approach as possibly the only upside from SAF leaving but that's not happened.
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