I am more worried if the team are using transition as an excuse not to perform. If they are trying to prove Moyes isn't who they would have wanted, all it is doing is making them look not up to playing for Manchester United.
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I am more worried if the team are using transition as an excuse not to perform. If they are trying to prove Moyes isn't who they would have wanted, all it is doing is making them look not up to playing for Manchester United.
He loves a good moan doesn't he?
I don't think for one minute that they would be that unprofessional. It's easier to accept that they're actually in a state of confusion right now.
I don't want to think that Livvie, but how do we know as they have never been in this position before. Maybe some are not as professional as we think. As others have said it's about respect for the manager and coaches.
A state of confusion? They're playing football. They should know what they're doing, tactically we don't look much different than we did under Fergie.
He should sign up here then.
Touche!
He's definitely been too cautious IMO. Its understandable that he didn't want to change the style and players too soon but at the moment we are playing a similar way to SAF's last few seasons with much shitter results.
I think so too, but then I thought we'd be getting 15 in the next 5 before losing at home to West Brom.
if we're trying to shoehorn kagawa in from that side ozil could have definitely done it. nani, rooney and ozil behind van persie would have been fantastic
And we already have Kagawa! Januzaj on the verge too...
regarding being in "transition", we obviously need a couple to start being slowly introduced to eventually replace vidic, rio and van persie as well as just needing a midfielder which has been the case since 2008.
its a get out clause expression, our line up right now is strong, de gea, rafael, evans, cleverley all firmly beyond the "transition" phase surrounded by vidic, evra, carrick, rooney, van persie, nani, kagawa and having the likes of fellaini, hernandez, valencia as options. there is nothing wrong with our team and not lots needing changed, we just won the league by 11 points. the entire world can see our weakness and we have refused to try fix it for 6 years now.
if people mean transition in the sense of a style of play that is also rubbish as there as quite clearly been no effort made to play any differently or more progressively.
we have slowly lost belief in ourselves actually being one of the top teams. seen the likes of ronaldo, tevez, berbatov, hargreaves, scholes, van der sar and more leave and be replaced with players we see as "reliable" and probably more importantly, cheaper. the likes of valencia, young and welbeck simply are not good enough for the very top. very good players, not top players.
its been happening before our eyes for ages and we all seem to have been brainwashed into accepting a lower standard and having lower expectations. we've just been told by our manager that we cant win the champions league. its the cumulative result of appalling off the field management and a style of play that has had its day.
its a get out clause expression, our line up right now is strong, de gea, rafael, evans, cleverley all firmly beyond the "transition" phase surrounded by vidic, evra, carrick, rooney, van persie, nani, kagawa and having the likes of fellaini, hernandez, valencia as options. there is nothing wrong with our team and not lots needing changed, we just won the league by 11 points. the entire world can see our weakness and we have refused to try fix it for 6 years now.
if people mean transition in the sense of a style of play that is also rubbish as there as quite clearly been no effort made to play any differently or more progressively.
we have slowly lost belief in ourselves actually being one of the top teams. seen the likes of ronaldo, tevez, berbatov, hargreaves, scholes, van der sar and more leave and be replaced with players we see as "reliable" and probably more importantly, cheaper. the likes of valencia, young and welbeck simply are not good enough for the very top. very good players, not top players.
its been happening before our eyes for ages and we all seem to have been brainwashed into accepting a lower standard and having lower expectations. we've just been told by our manager that we cant win the champions league. its the cumulative result of appalling off the field management and a style of play that has had its day.
not good enough. potentially maybe, but when our manager says we cant win the best trophy of the lot because we don't have world class players then buy them when available. think arsenal give a shit how much he cost? look how much real are missing him. its carefully worded lowering of our expectations, expected to ignore the fact that several teams have won it without loads of world class players through an efficient set up. and real havent even been in a final for 10 years, so to use them as a template seems a bit out of touch.
But we have a WC player in the position that Ozil plays, plus a couple that could potentially be. The signing would've made little sense, and the pining for him by our fans is getting a bit embarrassing really.
Falcao and Cavani are world class too IMO, yet I wouldnt have recommended buying them either considering we already have top class players in that position.
The squad is good, it can be improved, some players need to move on and the right replacements need to be found. If Tottenham can sign the likes of Paulinho for £17m there is value in the market.
The problem we have is when we spend big we can't make mistakes. £27.5m for Fellaini will go down as a big waste - and it will unfortunately be the stick to beat Moyes with.
You might say thats premature but Fellaini is a known quantity we know what he can do what his strengths are and he wasn't the right player for us.
The problem we have is when we spend big we can't make mistakes. £27.5m for Fellaini will go down as a big waste - and it will unfortunately be the stick to beat Moyes with.
You might say thats premature but Fellaini is a known quantity we know what he can do what his strengths are and he wasn't the right player for us.
Or Fellani might turn out to be a great signing..I love your positive outlook.
If he does then I will be happy to be wrong but he doesnt seem to be great at anything.
I just hope we get to see our strongest eleven play together much more than we have seen it in recent seasons. Rotate when the players are tired, not for the sake of it. DDG, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Fellaini, Nani, Rooney, Kagawa, RVP. Get these guys out on the pitch and try to get some form of understanding built between them. Our players at times look alien to one another because either they haven't played with each other or are actually alien(Young).
Our squad's excellent despite the gaping hole in the midfield. We won the league by 10 points last season and went toe to toe with madrid. Those Moyes quotes about not winning the CL are embarrassingly (
) defeatist.
The question now I think is how long do we give him? If we look like we may not qualify in the top 4 come january, surely he'd have to go? Not qualifying with this team is criminal.
) defeatist. The question now I think is how long do we give him? If we look like we may not qualify in the top 4 come january, surely he'd have to go? Not qualifying with this team is criminal.
feck guys...
Seriously, you want a manager who's emphasizing on youth, classy, british, long term (long term means you're doing a good job that you merit a contract extension, not because you simply want to stay long time), successful, etc etc.
And the part where it amuses me, when you have a british talent you want him shipped out because he's not good enough..
Seriously, there's nothing pleases you guys.
This is not FM, we do not have the god given right to play the beautiful United way, producing our own World Class Youth, having a successful manager staying for 20+ years, it's kinda asking for everything... even Barcelona fans didn't expect all that.
And magically we expect a mid table proven manager to suddenly became the Sir Alex Mk.II
Seriously, you want a manager who's emphasizing on youth, classy, british, long term (long term means you're doing a good job that you merit a contract extension, not because you simply want to stay long time), successful, etc etc.
And the part where it amuses me, when you have a british talent you want him shipped out because he's not good enough..
Seriously, there's nothing pleases you guys.
This is not FM, we do not have the god given right to play the beautiful United way, producing our own World Class Youth, having a successful manager staying for 20+ years, it's kinda asking for everything... even Barcelona fans didn't expect all that.
And magically we expect a mid table proven manager to suddenly became the Sir Alex Mk.II
It's ridiculous. I totally agree with you. To be honest, after his appointment a lot of people went on saying 'we'll give him time, I'm okay with an off season' etc. but it was just for show. As soon as the results have been bad, true colours have shown. It's a shame, SAF told us our job was to support him, and there's so much negativity. Of course it's going to take time. We just need to be patient.
As predicted, really. Thankfully our match day support has been spot on. Half the feckers on here believe they know better than Fergie when it comes to all things football.
I think most fans are fine with giving Moyes time, but to most that means maybe settling for 3rd or 4th and no trophies for a couple of seasons. The thought of taking a championship winning squad and potentially finishing outside the top 4 I don't think occured to anyone, now thats crossing some minds and causing a bit of panic.
Chelsea, Utd, City all under performing and patchy in the early part of the season
Anyone would think they'd all changed managers or something.
Anyone would think they'd all changed managers or something.
Here's what I expect from Moyes
1. Learn to manage a top side, learn how to communicate in style, we're not Everton, stop with that small minded loser mentality. Aim higher, we have earned the right to at least aim that high
2. Fix the bloody team, get a proper starting XI. Stop chopping and changing player
3. Rotate wisely, you can put one "deadwood" needing game time in a performing starting XI, but when you put 5 of them altogether you're in for some trouble.
4. Get your priority right in purchasing player, carefully consider who you'd want, get it done, and stop doing the shot gun FM approach
5. Get the tactics and formation right, how do you want to play, develop the system and stick to it. There's no point changing formations and start from scratch again every 5 games.
That's all, if he does all that, and fingers crossed we show a glimpse of solidity and start getting points in, he'll have earned time in my eyes. But so far, what he has shown is far from what is expected (and I didn't expect much from him). Even Martinez with an Everton side (which is probably almost as big transition as us) doesn't take too long to find its footing.
If he can't get the 5 basic things right, he doesn't deserve 5 years
1. Learn to manage a top side, learn how to communicate in style, we're not Everton, stop with that small minded loser mentality. Aim higher, we have earned the right to at least aim that high
2. Fix the bloody team, get a proper starting XI. Stop chopping and changing player
3. Rotate wisely, you can put one "deadwood" needing game time in a performing starting XI, but when you put 5 of them altogether you're in for some trouble.
4. Get your priority right in purchasing player, carefully consider who you'd want, get it done, and stop doing the shot gun FM approach
5. Get the tactics and formation right, how do you want to play, develop the system and stick to it. There's no point changing formations and start from scratch again every 5 games.
That's all, if he does all that, and fingers crossed we show a glimpse of solidity and start getting points in, he'll have earned time in my eyes. But so far, what he has shown is far from what is expected (and I didn't expect much from him). Even Martinez with an Everton side (which is probably almost as big transition as us) doesn't take too long to find its footing.
If he can't get the 5 basic things right, he doesn't deserve 5 years
I don't get why he's talking about Bayern or winning the Champion's League, we already knew we weren't good enough for that; but since when do you need 5-6 'world class players' to beat West Bromwich Albion at home?
All the ones out there shouting Moyes Out, who the hell do they suggest replaces him? All the top class managers have got big jobs. Tony Pullis, Alex McLeish, the usual suspects. Alan Curbishley, has he been waiting for this job to come up?
Seems currently there are more excuses than points.
Prior to the West Brom match most thought its a tough start now we have 5 easy games to get 13-15 points and get back into the title hunt. Well that went up in smoke quick. We can't keep on playing badly and hope to get the points.
Prior to the West Brom match most thought its a tough start now we have 5 easy games to get 13-15 points and get back into the title hunt. Well that went up in smoke quick. We can't keep on playing badly and hope to get the points.
Have I been reading some other forum? I've seen two people say Moyes should be sacked on here, and one of them may have been on the wind up. No sane person thinks he should be sacked.
Dear lord, if you call people like Pullis, McLeish and god forbid Curbishley as top class managers.
Moyes isn't even top manager, he's only here because of perceived traits and people think he will stay here for 10+ years to come.
The only way he can stay more than 5 is if he's winning, other than that, I don't think the board would have offer him any contract extention even if he nail himself to the training ground
Nay. He's here cuz the best manager of the lot thought he was fit to succeed him. He is the chosen one
I don't remember Moyes saying that you did. Are you a bit soft between the ears?
There haven't been more than two persons calling for Moyes sack. And if it comes to the worst in the summer, there will be plenty of available good managers like Bielsa, Capello, Hiddink, Prandelli etc. I don't think that it must be a British manager, especially if the bedt of them fails here.
He is making some good points, but he obviously has it in for DM.
I think Moyes has the right credentials when I think about his time at Everton. However, he should a much better job with the press. I am not sure what he is trying to achieve by saying he doesn't think we will win the CL, the day after we lose to West Brom in the league. It is down right stupid.
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