Moyes So Far!

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Getsme said:
Kagawa for me was MOTM against West Ham. His link up play at times was bringing Mata and Rooney more into the game, it's something we have been crying out for, dropping him would be a big mistake, without him the gaps between areas is to great.
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Toss up between he and mata for motm yesterday. You're spot on about him creating the opportunities for mata and Rooney. Very good display and deserves to start on Tuesday.
 
Blasphemy said:
Yep. I don't think there's any lineup Moyes can choose that will see us not lose to Bayern over two legs. It's a near impossible job.
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Maybe, but there is lineups who can give us a better chance of getting through. Against Bayern it's going to be all about game plan.
 
LonelyFire said:
Toss up between he and mata for motm yesterday. You're spot on about him creating the opportunities for mata and Rooney. Very good display and deserves to start on Tuesday.
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It was close between him and Mata, the reason I opted for Kagawa was for the very reason we both agree on. Without Kagawa I don't think Mata would have been effective.
It will be a crime if we sell him in the summer.
 
An Irish Red said:
People are deluding themselves if they think we've 'turned a corner' or the like. Even David Moyes is going to win the odd game here and there.

Nothing has changed; he's still the wrong man and we'd still be idiots if we give him another year.
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Thank heavens you have no say in what goes on at our great club. We would probably be on our 5th manager this season!
 
Gladiator said:
the issue is in these away games we are getting more space in opponents defensive third. we exploit it well but in our home games we are not afforded such luxury and we are far FAR too expansive to break down the midfield. we're just covering spaces rather than moving as a team. we become so predictable imo because we cant break through the opposition's midfield, leaving us to try and find ways to penetrate the defense through the wings
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Well in the last month the key thing for me is that we have started to try and play with more control and retain possession. Thats a change from the dross we had served up for much of the season. So I am hoping we continue to head down that path. If we lose trying to play that way I can handle, i cant handle losing while playing the way we were earlier in the season. Some signs of progress for me is key.
 
datura said:
Will it change if we beat City?
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No, not in the long term. If, at the end of the season, we'd witnessed a consistent increase in progressive football and some actual imagination out there then perhaps. At this point, and I've said this for a while too, our issues are so much wider than one game here or there. I'd have got rid of him some time ago and still think we should replace him come the Summer for a manager with more tactical imagination and talent.

What should be routine wins against Olympiakos and West Ham doesn't alter the reality of things.
 
Kag said:
Not really. He's right. I said it yesterday but nothing has changed whatsoever.
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Then I guess you are one of the many that are going to have a very bitter summer dwelling on the fact that Moyes is our manager for the long term. He hasn't had a good season but you know he will get the chance to turn it around. See what the club buys in the summer and give him next season to show us what he has got - you may as well, as I feel he will get it no matter how much RedCafe stamp its feet.
 
Kag said:
No, not in the long term. If, at the end of the season, we'd witnessed a consistent increase in progressive football and some actual imagination out there then perhaps. At this point, and I've said this for a while too, our issues are so much wider than one game here or there. I'd have got rid of him some time ago and still think we should replace him come the Summer for a manager with more tactical imagination and talent.

What should be routine wins against Olympiakos and West Ham doesn't alter the reality of things.
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Neither were easy games and he showed some tactical nous in both. Maybe he's starting to grow into the role now and showing what SAF saw in him? At least there is more positivity about the place.
 
Kag said:
No, not in the long term. If, at the end of the season, we'd witnessed a consistent increase in progressive football and some actual imagination out there then perhaps. At this point, and I've said this for a while too, our issues are so much wider than one game here or there. I'd have got rid of him some time ago and still think we should replace him come the Summer for a manager with more tactical imagination and talent.

What should be routine wins against Olympiakos and West Ham doesn't alter the reality of things.
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Yeah we really do need a world class manager in the summer. All these easy two victories have shown is the players are there to play good football.. They need better coaching.

**anyone watchin Di Maria.? He is on fireeee**
 
soapythecat said:
Then I guess you are one of the many that are going to have a very bitter summer dwelling on the fact that Moyes is our manager for the long term. He hasn't had a good season but you know he will get the chance to turn it around. See what the club buys in the summer and give him next season to show us what he has got - you may as well, as I feel he will get it no matter how much RedCafe stamp its feet.
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I'm resigned to the situation. I can see next season now, to be honest. We'll blast money, might just sneak fourth, and that will lauded by the media narrative. I'm not really bitter about it, albeit I'll be angry to see what I suspect will be some very good players leave the club, while some of the shite will most probably remain.

This time a week ago, the majority wanted him out. I did before that, and I'm not knee-jerk enough to allow two routine wins to change my mind on it.
 
datura said:
Neither were easy games and he showed some tactical nous in both. Maybe he's starting to grow into the role now and showing what SAF saw in him? At least there is more positivity about the place.
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See, Olympiakos was a funny one. We were better, but we still suffered from the same problems. We didn't create all that much, it was more a case of Giggs having one of those days when his passes came off. Giggs will probably play against City and stink the place out like he usually does in the middle of the park, then what? We were certainly better, but it was hardly amazing.

Yesterday's team selection was forced by the injury to Van Persie, although if he stuck with that kind of team and it started to show signs of real progression then things may look a bit brighter. It'd be nice if he was growing into the role, but the biggest problem about David Moyes is the very nature of his management. For him to succeed, he will have to change who he is and how he has coached his team's for the past decade. That isn't changing in a week. I can't see it changing at all.
 
Kag said:
I'm resigned to the situation. I can see next season now, to be honest. We'll blast money, might just sneak fourth, and that will lauded by the media narrative. I'm not really bitter about it, albeit I'll be angry to see what I suspect will be some very good players leave the club, while some of the shite will most probably remain.

This time a week ago, the majority wanted him out. I did before that, and I'm not knee-jerk enough to allow two routine wins to change my mind on it.
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That knee jerkery is what football is made of.

That's why it's pretty amazing that Arsene Wenger hasn't faced bigger storms. Could you imagine a United manager lasting 8years without a trophy?

erm...yeah let's not think about that one!
 
Kag said:
See, Olympiakos was a funny one. We were better, but we still suffered from the same problems. We didn't create all that much, it was more a case of Giggs having one of those days when his passes came off. Giggs will probably play against City and stink the place out like he usually does in the middle of the park, then what? We were certainly better, but it was hardly amazing.

Yesterday's team selection was forced by the injury to Van Persie, although if he stuck with that kind of team and it started to show signs of real progression then things may look a bit brighter. It'd be nice if he was growing into the role, but the biggest problem about David Moyes is the very nature of his management. For him to succeed, he will have to change who he is and how he has coached his team's for the past decade. That isn't changing in a week. I can't see it changing at all.
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That seems overly pessimistic. He'll get to the end of the season whatever though, and probably next season too and we'll get a chance to see a team that he'll have built, rather then inherited and be in a better position to judge him.
 
I don't really understand all this talk of him needing his own team. If you take the defending champions down to 7th in the league, the players aren't the problem.
 
datura said:
That seems overly pessimistic. He'll get to the end of the season whatever though, and probably next season too and we'll get a chance to see a team that he'll have built, rather then inherited and be in a better position to judge him.
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This is true. If he'd lost the last 2, the pressure cooker would have reached furious levels. Instead it's eased off and will secure him a summer spending spree, regardless of the City and Bayern results.
 
datura said:
That seems overly pessimistic. He'll get to the end of the season whatever though, and probably next season too and we'll get a chance to see a team that he'll have built, rather then inherited and be in a better position to judge him.
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Yeah i can't wait to see Martinez Everton too when he gets the players he wants.
 
soapythecat said:
Then I guess you are one of the many that are going to have a very bitter summer dwelling on the fact that Moyes is our manager for the long term. He hasn't had a good season but you know he will get the chance to turn it around. See what the club buys in the summer and give him next season to show us what he has got - you may as well, as I feel he will get it no matter how much RedCafe stamp its feet.
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He's already shown us what he's got, that's the problem.
 
datura said:
That seems overly pessimistic. He'll get to the end of the season whatever though, and probably next season too and we'll get a chance to see a team that he'll have built, rather then inherited and be in a better position to judge him.
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He's shown this season that he is incompetent. Why would we then allow him to build a new team here? it's senseless.
 
Ubik said:
I don't really understand all this talk of him needing his own team. If you take the defending champions down to 7th in the league, the players aren't the problem.
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He has inherited the champions, but also the problems SAF left - an ageing backbone and weak midfield. He probably could have made more changes last summer but it looks like he was looking long term and giving the current squad a chance to prove themselves to him first, and add one or two first team players.

The excuses effectively go at the start of next season. He'll know the current players inside out and have had a full year to plan his transfer strategy and targets. He lives or dies on that. No one is saying that this season isn't a huge disappointment and largely unexpected and he has to take responsibility for that.
 
Getsme said:
Maybe, but there is lineups who can give us a better chance of getting through. Against Bayern it's going to be all about game plan.
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I think the gameplan will help us avoid the double drubbing Barcelona suffered last season. They came to play their natural game, I'm sure we won't. But it's not going to be enough to go through.
 
datura said:
What have Everton got to do with a thread about Moyes so far at United?
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Nothing.. A bit like The Moyes needs his own players excuse. I've never heard it before. Apparently every manager needs his own players but last time i checked Brendan Rodgers only had Sturridge and Coutinho which he can pretty much call his own.
 
datura said:
The excuses effectively go at the start of next season.
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We couldn't attract the players we wanted/It was a World Cup year, not good for transfers/It was a World cup year, a lot of players joined pre season late and it was hard to implement my ideas like that.

Naa, the excuses are there for the taking if needed.
 
datura said:
He has inherited the champions, but also the problems SAF left - an ageing backbone and weak midfield. He probably could have made more changes last summer but it looks like he was looking long term and giving the current squad a chance to prove themselves to him first, and add one or two first team players.

The excuses effectively go at the start of next season. He'll know the current players inside out and have had a full year to plan his transfer strategy and targets. He lives or dies on that. No one is saying that this season isn't a huge disappointment and largely unexpected and he has to take responsibility for that.
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He was looking long term by not fixing an ageing back four and weak midfield? That made no sense...
 
Mainoldo said:
Nothing.. A bit like The Moyes needs his own players excuse. I've never heard it before. Apparently every manager needs his own players but last time i checked Brendan Rodgers only had Sturridge and Coutinho which he can pretty much call his own.
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That wasn't an excuse??

And Rodgers has had 2 transfer windows to recruit the players he wants.
 
datura said:
Those in charge obviously don't agree with you. You'll ether have to accept that or spend another year moaning.
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I'm right whether they agree with me or not. Allowing a man who has shown himself to be incompetent to completely rebuild our team is so risky it's unreal. It could set us back a decade or more.

If the board have any sense at all they'll give him the boot at the end of the season.
 
datura said:
That wasn't an excuse??

And Rodgers has had 2 transfer windows to recruit the players he wants.
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So has Moyes he had a whole.... Summer to virtually buy no one. We still needed a left back in the winter and that wasnt addressed either.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'm right whether they agree with me or not. Allowing a man who has shown himself to be incompetent to completely rebuild our team is so risky it's unreal. It could set us back a decade or more.

If the board have any sense at all they'll give him the boot at the end of the season.
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Haha, I think i'll trust the opinion of experienced football people who can see all the work he does rather then you if that's ok?
 
Ubik said:
I don't really understand all this talk of him needing his own team. If you take the defending champions down to 7th in the league, the players aren't the problem.
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True. If Magath and Pepe Mel go down with Fulham and Brom nobody will say 'forget it they need to build their own teams'.
 
datura said:
He tried to fix the midfield and the left back issue. We had cover for CB and didn't need to buy in the summer.
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He did but lets he honest he spent too longer tinkering... There was Strootman, Thiago and Matric which he apparently let up and and lets not get started with the Coentrao mess. He didnt do a good job at all. I thought the summer would have cost us but not like it has.
 
Mainoldo said:
So has Moyes he had a whole.... Summer to virtually buy no one. We still needed a left back in the winter and that wasnt addressed either.
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I don't really get your point? Everyone knows the summer transfer window was a mess.

The players we wanted for LB weren't available in the Jan window, we only bought in Mata because he was surplus to requirements elsewhere.
 
datura said:
I don't really get your point? Everyone knows the summer transfer window was a mess.

The players we wanted for LB weren't available in the Jan window, we only bought in Mata because he was surplus to requirements elsewhere.
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My point is why does he have legitimate excuses? We are in a mess simply out of his own doing.. No one else's.
 
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